On okay we're good morning
everybody welcome to our
special city council meeting
today is Friday June fifth
twenty twenty its approximately
nine thirty AM. Before we began
if you please join me in the
pledge of allegiance please.
The flag of the United States
of America. Public for which it
stands one nation under god
indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. I don't think
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right. We were handed. Do not
okay thanks the- of now we'll
go to the conflict of interest
they meant this is where I ask
if any member of the city
council city manager or city
staff has any no conflict of
interest on any item on the
agenda. Our and- none all right
next. Next is going to be a
cover nineteen update and with
us I believe are some
representatives of the New
Mexico department of health and
so I would ask. Those who are
going to be speaking if you
please just announce who you
are and we appreciate that. So
I know Dave Morgan this year
correct. And I think don
Sanches is and I don't know if
doctor Landon is mayor I am
here and. Does he know here.
For thirty five seventy five.
Is the number Dave Dave Morgan
do you know doctor Landon's
cell phone number last four
digits thirty five seventy five
I am actually double checking.
Check I know area code five oh
five. Yeah this is five oh five
so. What's the last four digits
again three five seven five yes.
Desk number your coming in okay
yeah thanks thanks a year in.
This so they did the Morgan did
you wanna start start this all
I would actually- the for to
doctor land okay- not a problem
they're looking for a specific
update- talking about Kopet
nineteen and I'll be happy to
fill in any blanks from there.
Okay sounds good. Dr Landon are
you on the line. Yeah hi good
morning mayor and- Council
members thanks for the
invitation. To attend your
special- council meeting and
you know I would I would just
say that. I think the state.
You know doing relatively well
right now in terms of. Growth
rates for code sort of
stabilizing and the trend is
clearly downward. It appears
there also vision numbers are
dropping. To dental later
numbers we still have to you
know a person's on ventilators
we still have to keep an eye
out for that. And also- still
were having too many deaths
but- the general trend
improvements- seems
improvements and all of that.
All the all the regions are
doing. Doing pretty well. The
wanted main challenge which you
all probably know about are
the- pieces in the Otero county
prison facility both on the
state side in the federal side
of that so the. For you all
those numbers do show up in the
southwest regions totals. In
effect- basically the rates for
the southwest region. And they
lead to higher and higher.
Basically a higher growth rate
as a result. So that that's
really that's really the big
challenge is the big question.
For Otero county prison prison
facility in the cases there is.
Yeah the staff for in the in
the community or- many of them
work in el Paso- but the
detainees are relatively
isolated. I mean by definition
for that type of facilities so.
There is no there really their
there they're different cases
and cases in. That girl say
live in downtown Las Cruces so.
It it's sort of the challenging.
It's a challenging group to
work with. On many levels how
do you how do you categorize
what's going on. How do you.
How do you reduce the number of
cases how do you do all the and
to decide what are the
implications for the community.
Of having all these those cases.
Basically on the border of
Otero county and on your
account. So the state as a
whole and I also think Las
Cruces is doing a good job
reacting to all of this in in
taking a very thoughtful slow
systematic approach to re okay
which I think is the systematic
thoughtful slow are I think
important important
characteristics of reopening.
No no just- sort of the- just
did some initial comments- I
look forward to the session
today. Thank you doctor Landon.
Jump in- yes yes the US
speaking on behalf of the can
you identify yourself Dave I'm
sorry just. Organ public
information officer New Mexico
department of health. Speaking
on behalf of the public health
division on a statewide level.
Our public health offices have
strike teams around the state.
That are doing regularly
scheduled a coke nineteen
testing but then also going out
in the field for specific
businesses. Day care centers
and so on there is- just a lot
of testing going on within the
public health division and dawn
Sanchez our southwest region
director can speak. More about
what we're doing with in the
city of Las Cruces and account.
Thanks Steve- councilors if you
don't want them let don say a
few words and then perhaps. She
may or may not answer your
questions don are you there to
the ready to speak. Yes yes I
am Mr mayor thank you so much
real will briefly I'll just
check on to engage with thank
for. So other deeper Las Cruces
we do is we the only with.
She's been talking have you
state your name please I'm
sorry about that I'm sorry I'm
sorry mayor yes sorry this is
don conscious self was region
director. For the public health
division department of health
locate here Las Cruces so for
testing currently happening in
Las Cruces we do test five days
a week here in Las Cruces arm.
With evening hours as well on
Tuesday and Thursday night
memorial Medical Center as well
tests during the week- if you
go into the county we have our
health offices in Oakland park
you chaparral Anthony as well
doing testing as well David
mentioned we have a lot of
community events that we- go to
and we provide testing we've
been. Partying with accounting
community resource centers on
they do food distribution do
testing with those copulation
and then also the Clinica- and
god cool came on board this
week which was great and they
provide testing four days a
week. One in Las Cruces on
Monday that their central
location and then they are in
shock well Anthony and Reno.
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday so
they've had a good response as
well. And I just want to
mention to is that we had a
conversation with. An archer
health center. Your come on
board with testing from that
committee. Testing or whole
that we'll get them board well
for. County and they'll there
is a they serve well only any
county but for us they also
serve three of our- the more of
our eight counties in the
region. So we're looking for to
the partnership but we are.
Available like David said we do
respond to rapid response. And
they're still not doing a lot
of committee surveillance
testing as well so there's any
questions on any of that please
let me know- we again all the
locations are located on the
locations tab. On the TV dot
and then health .org website.
Okay question. We have to
question well we have
councilors organ cancer
Abeyta-Stuve be. Also sort.
Thank you Mister mayor and
thank you to our minutes house
documented in. Morgan and on or
for coming to the meeting and
to provide this information. I
following the. Website often
nine now through this whole
endemic and this. Yesterday I
believe it was I just was
curious on I'm worried some of
these cases are- where they're
located in Dona ana county in
particular. And so what I did
is I took the numbers on the
website. Four five of the- on.
Zip codes along the Texas
border. Add item all on. And
let me get the number right.
That came to our three hundred
no Stuve the five hundred and
eighty nine case. I was five
zip codes five hundred eighty
nine. Yet when you go to the
county total it only shows five
hundred nine cases. On can you
explain why there's a
difference there that's the
whole county I mean. Three
besides the- local- I'm for
that zip codes there along the
Texas border. Right yeah this
is a Michael Landon sit at
email server help- yeah you're
correct five hundred nine I
don't I'm not aware of year
five eighty nine number I don't
know I understand how you came
by it but that does not that is
not really add up for me
although I must say I didn't do
what you just did in the last.
Minute I'd be glad to look into
that too as I understand it the
your concern is that the five
phones closest to the Texas
border in January carry. Have
more cases there were reporting
for. Diana carry. That if I
understood that correctly I
mean I do not think that's the
case but I'll be glad to look
into it. Okay then that's when
I and I and the city. Are
finding rather should say. Are
going from. Eight eight zero
forty eight eight sixty three
twenty one and finally- the
chaparral as zip code I have.
Eight eight zero eight one.
Okay I yeah I know I can
explain it okay so. The several
zip code. Includes as I
understand it without going to
those data right this minute
one of the problems with that
zip code in looking at that zip
code incorporating that into
Diana county is that it will
include. Many of the Otero
prison. And so the cases. That
we have for transparency we
have broken those cases out.
Into a separate category and
so everybody can see the
numbers and yesterday. There
were two hundred and thirty
three cases at the. The state
detainee cases in a hundred it.
Hundred and thirty four at the
federal facility in an
additional ninety two. At the
ayes facility there too the
challenge for the challenge for
all o you and for me to is.
How do you and I sort of
described as of the beginning
how do we best. Deal with this
very special population that is
there are there are lots of
challenges- one how do we make
sure they don't get infected
how do we prevent infection how
to be sure they have
appropriate rides how do we how
do we assure all these things
in this detained population and
how do we count them. So there
carried in the southwest region
they affect the southwest
region growth right there
counted in that zip code you're
talking about. So that that you
just. Their challenges all over
with respect to this population.
I think what you're seeing is
in sort of an art of the way we
are. Looking at that population
I would just say that. So
therefore as some if not all of
those are cases in those.
Engine and present aren't
counted in the county's content
the total calorie count.
Correct in their in their
county and- we've we've
presented data they're carrying
the state totals so there in
the state totals. They're not
counted in Dania counties
totals they're not Canada Tero
carries totals. They are
counted in a separate in our
press release we have a
separate area. For both federal
for federal. Detainees and
state containing. And they're
listed by facility in that. So
because otherwise we'd be
dealing with this issue that
you're bringing up is. Know
what's going on with chaparral
well okay what's going on yeah
and that's it code is that
there are there's a very large
prison facility complex there
with three components to it.
That that unfortunately had a
lot of cases. On on that the
website right now I zoomed in
on the two facilities it
doesn't name them but I think
it's pretty obvious I the one
that has the most is closer.
Anyway it shows three hundred
sixty three cases and the ice I
site instability- further to
the west is ninety two cases
I. Maybe or maybe not that's up
to date but anyway okay that
that helps explain I thank you
so much one last thing- then. I
one more thing I should say is
I wanted to get an update on.
Like to- the possibilities of
our what's going on with our
local lab testing labs here and
in Las Cruces. Or at the
university. Is anybody. Have
sinned latest information on
that. God I absent item
information is if you don't
have an update. The girl had
dental and I can fill in if I
have anything more than what
you have. Yeah I know I think
there's been- other development
I've just been. I've seen a
number of emails from overnight
at- you know basically.
Finalizing the agreement with
an issue. I mean I'm not saying
it's final but moving forward
to finalize the agreement with
an issue. To support testing at
an issue for code so I think
that. And that just happened
I'm not just just- looking at
that happening over last day or
so it's very positive so it
looks like that. I'm not saying
everything's finalized but I'm
saying it is clearly is moving
in the right direction
protesting to our current M.
issue done you have any
additional information or a
different perspective on the
I. Am so again this is don
Funchess Elkridge region
director public health
councilors Sorg Mr mayor. Yes
the same the same with Mike
this is the are by a medical
lab with doctor Murphy out of
that- culture arts and
sciences. So this is the one
that they are getting elected
up right they have a couple go
into to technical and our
department uses so I think
that's quite what Mike and
talking about having
communication overnight- but
they're definitely moving
forward with guarding the
tricor as well. And getting
support from an image you'd
ministration the whole the we
will hear something shortly
that their up and ready to go
so that's that's very positive
news- as far as the other
entity Councilor Sorg that you
had referred. To I understood
that they might be also in
communication with tri color.
But I have not. Heard anything
more from either side. Okay
well thank you very much John
and doctor. I that. On Mr mayor
I that's all I have for now.
Thank you thank you. A
Councilor Abeyta-Stuve. Thank
you are I think you got my and
you don thank you David for
joining us today are my first
question is gonna be for doctor
and it's regarding this phase
that were in of the re opening
access- and if you could just
tell us that we need to be
looking out for. And what. I
think the biggest question on a
lot of people's mind is how
long do you think it will take
for us to start seeing. The
starter and results of is
opening up what should be ayes
policy makers and leaders be
looking for. Yeah say thank you
Councilor. We were clearly
looking for you know each phase
when we- there's a next stage
of reopening. We really keep an
eye particularly over the next
two weeks- the following two
weeks after that. And after
those developments the typical
the average incubation period
is around five days for code
and by looking for two weeks
thank goodness and I you know
enoughtime to see if.
Something's gonna emerge showed
so two weeks is sort of- the
rule of thumb we use. Yeah well
we be looking for one we be
looking for. Add new cases are
we seeing new cases- emerge are
we doing are we doing that it
and not testing to see new
case. And I think as- David
Morgan done Sanchez described.
Yeah the public health division
is doing a lot of testing and
so I think we're doing testing
are we getting toward adequate
testing- so I think that's
really good any Mexico's been a
leader in testing and continues
to be. So we need to keep a on
those cases and then we also
need to keep it on behavior.
Our you know are three hundred
people gathering without masks.
And without following you know
respecting six feet between
people. We know that having
that an exaggeration but is
more of that sort of thing
happening are greater
percentage of people going
around without masks in the
community are people not
respecting. The social
distancing yeah the sixty plus
separation. So I think I think
we have to look at both cases.
And we have to look at behavior.
And I think. We have to you
know get out time and generally
speaking you know two weeks.
Plus minus a little more is
probably enough time to get a
sense of that. Here so what it
be fair to say if we start at
that two week time if we start
seeing- as steady incline of
cases. I assume were expected
to see some are their
thresholds that we have- to say
you know this might be a
worrisome pattern- are. We have
any measurements for that. And
I can rephrase that if you need
to. Answer I was on mute if you
if you're talking about Las
Cruces and onion county
specifically. Your you guys
you'll have a bigger of
population that. We can get a
sense from case council. The
other thing will use is the
reproductive number or are
effective which you know at the
beginning of the week was.
Lower than it is now for the
southwest region- and really
dynamic carry really sort of
dominates that that number so
we can we can use that and work.
Were keeping track of that
regularly. So there is not a
hard and fast rule I think it
over time are cases going up
for overtime or keeps going
down that's really that's
really the key thing. And it
just takes you just go look at
the curbs and you've got to get
a sense of the and you also.
Need to see are we- do we see
new outbreak. Associated with
some event. Where there wasn't
social distancing apple I will
just I will I will just mention.
Fortunately in southern dialect
any okay Erik Kelly we are
seeing cases associated with a
funeral at someone's home. If
were if that is occurring over
and over again then that would
be that would be a sign that.
Sort of the plan is not is not
working as we- had expected and
we may want to think about a
different approach. Doing
something differently. So there
are the overall numbers there
are you knowwhat's going on
with with small outbreaks in
the community. For example and
in the General Dynamics any
sanity this the two main
outbreak we've been dealing
with for the stampede meat
processing plant. And then the
a territory present so the but
it's something new emerges- a
significant employer they had
recently opened up and we're
seeing cases you know we need
to we need to think about that
and factor that in. Thank you
army and you even partially
answered my next question which
whereas we are tracing right
now are we seeing any are
unique patterns. Are averaging
and so you talked about a
little bit about that. I'm is
there anything else to add with
that question. Nine no I mean I
think I think that you know the
most concerning thing over the
last couple days was that he's
okay with that funeral and- you
know it's- it's so sad. When a
family or committee member dies
I mean you really can't.
Adequately pay respects to that
to that person and that's the
challenge that we're dealing
with right now. In so. Heroes
have been an issue both in the
southern part of the state and
also the northern part of the
state and it's something that.
Completely understandable that
people want to get together.
Need to get together for a
funeral but it's- it's a it's
not a good thing to do. At this
time. Thank you doctor Randy
and I my next question will be
for either don or Dave bad- and
that is to go back to the
source of our capacity of
testing I know the last time
that we talked we were and
we've mentioned. The optimal
kind of range that we were
working parts is being able to
do those five hundred tax in
our community and we- it sounds
like you've added a lot of
different are. Sites and so how
are we doing on those numbers
what is our testing capacity
take day day. So the mortgage
information officer in Mexico
department of health I know
you're speaking specifically
for route thecity and county I
can only tell you on the on the
statewide level- we still have
a yeah thank you has to be out
of approximately five thousand
per day. On and off are still
low looking that the all of the
additional ways to be able to
increase testing capacity- we
know that sandy and national
labs and Los Alamos national
labs of your are doing
internal testing of their
employees. Currently A. L. S. a
doctor landed mentioned a we
are right in the midst of five
getting the Mexico State
University online and then
there is a company out here in
Las Cruces had followed
consultants that the apparently
is now starting to be able to
run cope in nineteen samples as
well so. There is. Definitely
more. All her. And that's for
the specifics for the city. I
defer to don such. Thank you
David thank you Councilor
Abeyta-Stuve in this is gone
sound just help with region
record public health division
for if you're speaking of Las
Cruces specifically I mean Las
Cruces right now again- in and
she has there are over two
hundred tested that the a day
at our health office here Las
Cruces we do approximately a
hundred a day. And so- as we
bring on the Clinica to that
the new you know they do start
getting up and running so- we
still have- some capacity were
not quite at are your think our
our thought was. You know if we
if we look at Las Cruces- my
comment are probably relation
to five hundred county wide if
we look at can wide we're
probably there because we have
our help. You out in the
outlying areas- testing on a
regular basis- for Las Cruces
right now we you know we also
have the and or health. Center
that is coming on board to you
know than other FQHC to provide
some assistance for specific
populations that they're able
to assist with so we have built
the capacity and think with
availability and testing I
think part of it being the word
out- and then just you know
also- part of part of what our
role to respond to the rapid
responses to so that those
numbers fluctuate obviously
when those do collectively and
we have to respond to that. But
we definitely have built a
capacity- we did have the event
for the. City to on. For may
twenty. Where we had to stay
try drive of the for the city.
Seven also PPS staff in the
middle sixty on city staff come
through we had staff. Through
throughout on are all all are
different. You know we've had.
Happening over the last you
know three months. So I think
we're we're at a good- and I
feel really good point again
we're- working with other
partners to come on board. With
you to get are there with us
helping us out. Thank you thank
you I appreciate that and then
just a reminder for the public
might be I'm listening and- how
long is it taking for a
positive results to come in and
then how long might it be
taking for any negative results
to come in. Your to do they
like to be one and two is like
I can do one answer that or you
want me to answer that. Yeah I
want to go ahead. Okay so
councilors do they- this is
done conscious selfless region
director so. Absolutely we work
very closely you know state lab
we have the lab and thenwe
have tricor. That we can result
you- working through the state
lab it usually takes. I mean
I'm gonna. Hi forty eight
seventy two hours- for the
positive there might be some
that are are take longer so for
various reasons- so those ones
are notified. Immediately when
a positive result come through.
And then we are as well past.
You notify the negatives and so
again- the process of getting
the results back is the best.
You know it is the process that
we have the we definitely. Were
working on ways as well to get
those results. Back quicker you
are the community folks. Well
one thing that's been going
online to with the ability to
actually pre register for your
hat. And then also get your
results thank you. You know the
way that you would like either
via text voice mail. Or email
that's a process that being
worked out right now if you.
Other than getting up up and
running but we're hoping to
really. Have that. Widespread
statewide actually- and we're
really focusing on that here in
Las Cruces- coming this coming
week. So we're working on ways
we definitely stand that those
the information especially
because it has to come back as
quick as we can to work very
closely with the lab. If we can
find the results we try and
look for them. But we do turn
around quickly as we can to
contact the colleges and then
as well we do have a- at. Have
you have people who are
contacting the negatives in
getting information as to what
they need to do what have you
so we definitely that the
priority for us to get those
results back quickly. And
contact tracing. Are so we can
definitely continue can
mitigate the spread in so if
there are you know that we do
have the- the patient portal as
well where folks can right now
go online if they've been
tested they can go online. And
check and see if their results
are. And a lot of folks are
getting their results already.
That. Process thank you very.
Great to hear. Are and the
something. For now here. Thank
you Council Vasquez. Mayor
thank you to department health
for I can to participate are
meetings really. Thank you to
cancer Abeyta-Stuve use well
for your I'm always very
insightful questions- yeah my
questions are around the Otero
county processing center and
the stampede meet. Back land
we had a chance to talk with
mayor but they are not too long
ago on the on one of our Friday
meetings to ask for an update
order of course of action to
address the- incredible
infection rates that that
occurred there- and also
requested to see if you might
be able to call in the
department of health. Actually
inspect that facility to ensure
that the actions that they were
taking to get this. Of the
virus in that particular
environment. Was was
satisfactory because it
certainly didn't seem that they
were prepared are more
adequately. Dressing the needs
of the workers there
considering how big of a spike
they had in a very short amount
of time- and then it the terra
counting processing facility
are knowing that that's a
federal facility are in charge.
Or or at least that ice. And
the contractor their jointly
run- wondering if at the
department of health level or
at the governor's.
Administrative level there has
been any discussions on actions
that the state could take- to
ensure compliance with best
practices at that particular
facility or if there's anything
the state can do. Is it's
incredibly troubling the rates
of infection that occur both
there at stampede and- I think
that's where we should be.
Getting some of our resources
to mitigate spread their. Yeah
Councilor with respect to
stampede- there was really- I
think they a good efforts. To
intervene for about the company
and from Mexican varmint
apartment in from Mexico
department of health and- as we
did in will continue testing
their- W. not seeing as many
new cases emerge. And David
they've really put in- best
practices in terms of- what's
recommended by CDC nine option
in terms of- protection in a
very challenging environment
to reduce spread so I think I
think that. Thank a relatively
well I think I mean one way to
put it in perspective and this
doesn't excuse anything but- I
think if you look at. The food
processing plants meat
processing plants throughout
the country. You look at the
huge number of cases in many of
those plants. For a relative
respective. And he probably has
not been hit as hard as many of
those but that's that's not to
excuse it we don't want any
cases there but there there
will be given the fact that
there's a baseline level
infection the community
there's more infection el Paso.
Then in January county that
many of the workers come from
el Paso we're gonna have we're
going to have continued cases
there we just have to. Be on
top of it which I which I
think. The company Nixon barman
department in New Mexico
determine health are are doing
so I think that. It's a tough
situation but I think people
are working with it pretty well
with respect to the terrible.
The terror carried for them so
the and then and then the
processing center- I think
that- the corrections
department is working really
hard. On the- the state side of
the Otero county prison
facility. To implement all the
recommended measures and- and
then do aggressive testing and
so I think that's that's in
place any we have as you're
acknowledging. We have much
less control over it or don't
have control over the federal
side but I know the our our
federal representatives.
Senators the governor's office.
They're working hard to
influence- what happened in the
city's as much as we can- on
the federal side. But you but
you're right it's a really
challenging situation and. You
know what it is you look around
the country. Not again that
excuse it but I mean I think
what yes yeah I heard about
Tennessee's spike okay so I was
just listening to the latest
news and to Tennessee spike was
due to. Either a detention
center are present- and you're
seeing that over and over again
these environments are very.
Very hard to do infection
control and- into limits spread
and- that's what we're seeing
and. Again we need to continue
to that. Be aggressive in our
efforts to prevent spread in
those facilities but it is it's
really challenging situation.
Thank you doctor land in she
that update and the governed
doing everything she can to
mitigate the situation- I think
from from our perspective right
well I'll speak from my
perspective I apologize. You
know some of those. Some of
those from my job at the meat
packing plant- I'm not sure how
much they pay on average I'm
guessing probably between ten
to sixteen dollars an hour- the
return on investment better
community gets from those
particular jobs. The actual
cost of. The disease spreading
among stepped facility- to me I
believe that. The mitigating
the impacts of the disease
outweighs the wages that are
being paid to some of the
workers that are currently
there- potentially might
qualify for unemployment if the
meat packing plant were to be
shut down. I know the profits
from stampede- the corporate
profits at least don't stay any
Mexico they go to Chicago- and
so. In terms of the financial
impact as you mentioned two
thirds probably of the workers
are no Paso a third or New
Mexico. Of those were being
impacted are you know those
frontline workers and so. I
just I would want the state to
really consider. What were what
the actual. Pros and cons are
would be of continuing. To have
workers in an environment that
promotes higher rates of
infection and protect and then
potential community spread
versus how much are community
actually gets a return. From
from this plant itself- I know
those are tough questions have
you never want to treat.
Together order like that but
those numbers are pretty
astronomical and this is a very
unique situation and so from
the environment department
department health standpoint
from my perspective. I think
there needs to be a cost
benefit analysis of. You know
are are we keeping the meat
packing plant open knowing that
there's going to be continued
rates are infection and the
profits from this meat packing
plant are not going to stay in
our community. And so that's a
that's a question I think maybe
higher up- terms of folks to be
having but it's an important
question to have rate- in terms
of what why we- have been made
stronger decisions to limit the
spread of infection in these
places- within the Otero county
processing. Facility and the
detention center. You know
again I think. The action from
our federal delegation is great
but- I would love to see the
majority if not all of those
folks released on bond so that%
they don't have to be in those
situations. Especially if
they're not a threat to anybody
or themselves they- deserve. I
have not a fair opportunity to
live a healthy life. Whether
whatever outcome is of their
federal court case- I don't
think we should be subjecting
people to that those types of
situations that you mentioned
knowing. That the spikes are
going to continue. And this is
all over the country the
detention centers have.
Experience ridiculously high
rates of Kobe. On which to me
again a systemic issue shows
how much we don't care about
those folks or at least the
people who are making the
decision to keep them confined
in these close bases. Don't
value them and don't care about
them getting code- so if the
governor could also. Or the
department of health recommends
to the governor. That you know
of writing a letter saying
Haiti's book should be released
on bond one is a danger. To
them and it's really important
that we take care of all people
who are in Mexico and then to
as you mention in Tennessee.
The workers were coming back
into those communities are
potentially- increasing the
rate of coping- as workers at
those facilities and so. On I
understand it's a difficult
situation always hard to deal
with. But I think you know we
have to act boldly in the best
interest of the Mexicans when
it comes to limiting spread of
Kobe. And take care of all
people- so I just want to say
that because as southern
Mexicans with both of these
ladies and in our region- just
want to make sure that we're
being given the proper
attention and the due diligence
to- issues that are impacting
us and that includes both of
these facilities in mitigating
the spread there so. Other than
that- document in thank you so
much and everybody else are.
Department health who has. An
agreed to come. Give very. At
help us now. The down here as
grapple with our own local
ordinances state or and- state
your active your input is
always very helpful in making
those decisions so thank.
Councilor mayor pro tem. Thank
you America centered on that I
mayor pro tem I approve. And
then David Morgan done such as
I know how incredibly busy you
are but we can- expect to at
least every two weeks give us
an update and answer any
questions that we've had so I
feel very blessed and
incredibly lucky to have such.
Amazing people to represent us
here and that's really for the
public I know would probably
getting quite a few people
watching on you to- given the
ordinance says that we are
trying to move through- and so
documented and I wanted to ask
some clarifying questions- and
by chance do you have
specifically the Las Cruces
rate of infection I know that
we have. I have gone up and
down- I know that many of us
are looking at- the dashboards
and whatnot and I know on
Fridays you get that- and I'm
thinking that's around the time
when you're getting updates as
well do you have that currently.
Yes you mayor pro tem I do have
it other than just. I'm opening
up today is. I thought I was
open to that is. No. I mean so
I don't have a for Las Cruces
but I do I mean the number for
nine years five and I like we
talked about it and get you the
rate. In just one second. The
rate earlier in the week and I
can update this if you'd like
but- the rate early in the week
this is the June first rate so
this is the- number of cases
broader thousand. I'll put this
in perspective. The US rate is
five hundred and fifty two per
hundred thousand. New York lead
the way at one thousand nine
hundred and two. Hundred
thousand. And New Mexico three
seventy one per hundred
thousand such as giving you the
state perspective by the and
then if we go to. And this is
again for Monday and if we look
add dynamic county on Monday.
It was to nineteen hundred
thousand so. Daniel a carry to
nineteen greater thousand New
Mexico three seventy one front
thousand and you at. Five fifty
two thousand so are those are
the rates per hundred thousand
so we can compare you know
different communities and see
what the infection risk is in
the different communities so
didn't action redskin Diana
county is left in the risk in
New Mexico as a whole and led
from the risk in the US to put
it that way. Very very good
also then tell me- with one
person affected what would be
the potential of spread. To
others like and numbers what
are you seen specifically. Well
we're um. We're seeing for that
southwest. The are expected.
Getting there was about. One
point one when I'm gonna get
you exact one here and I so
what that means. The southwest
was one point oh nine at the
beginning the week now it's
gone out because of the all the
Otero county present present
facility case but I think for
our discussion one point oh
nine. Which means that. For
every keys. We expect there to
be a little more than one case
the results from that Kate so.
Basically for every nine cases
we would expect to see about
ten cases. And what we wanna do
is you want to get to look to
the to the point where. The
reproductive number the
effective reproductive of
brought reproductive number is
below one. So that means we see
left in one case one. Secondary
case but then one secondary
case reach. For each case. But
we're right now we're seeing
about for every nine cases were
seeing about ten new cases. And
that's a lot better than it was
in March for the state for the
for the in March is say if we
had nine cases. Yeah we see
nine cases we see about
eighteen cases or about two
cases for every one new case.
Thanks for that doctor land and.
We should that and that one
point- one night is specific
for the southwest region right
or one yes that's correct one
point oh nine. And that
specific the southwest but it's
really dominated by dying in
accounting why is that. The
population is and so it can be
resort of use it on your
account number. Your doctor and
your views on mass and what
that- will. If people use mass
in your- estimate your
experience your knowledge your
expertise basically why are we
asking people to wear masks and
how in terms of percentages if
we had known 90% 95% of the
community where he asked what
does that do specifically. Okay
so- just sort of the- mayor pro
tem inducer brought in that
the- perspective a little. For
our interventions are really
you know we don't have a
vaccine yeah. We don't really
have. Widespread medication
availability we just we don't
we don't ever- medication that
would prevent infection so we
really have to really rely on.
Certain behavior change. And so
those social distancing is
critical people need to stay
sixty to part. Hand washing is
critical and in Washington that
available using hand sanitizer
staying at home. In not
definitely not going to work if
someone sick that's critical
and then the fourth
intervention which is immerses
more- at its emergency a
critically important now that
we know that we don't have the
we have a symptomatic
transmission that people can
transmit without symptoms. Is
the are Max and master very
important are critically
important in that they a mask
on me prevents me. From
transit- a reduce elected I
will transmit to another person.
So we it prevents those
respiratory droplets from
spreading from me to someone
else. And that's why that's why
the- it's sort of there's sort
of a social contract now I
think around that in that. I'm
wearing a mask to prevent me
from infecting someone else.
And bear wearing a mask you
there in my general area to
prevent. To reduce the spread
of infection to me so it's you
know we have to do this as a
community- it's the it's the
new standard. That we need to
follow. Their and- it's just
you know it's one of those
things that. It's a new normal
new standard and it it really
is- it really is the way to go
and- we really need to have
people wear masks in public
places when their potentially
within six feet of others are
could be- and. So it is part of
a group of interventions.
Increasingly is becoming import
intervention as we've learned
about the symptomatic spread
and- it is it's not the sort of
thing well. You know it's
really up to me whether I where
I mean it is if I if. It's not
about the match protecting the
individual as much as it's
about the mask protecting those
around them therefore it's
really it's really not an
individual it's really should
not be an individual decision
at this point it really should
be a community decision. I
appreciate that doctor land and
you make mention the a
symptomatic folks right that
now be it research. Can you
talk to me a little bit more
about that and the spread. Of
the possible spread when
someone's a symptomatic I mean
you actually had I'm assuming
you've actually had. He says
and because of the tracking
entry scene what have you found
specific to- New Mexico around
a symptomatic group. Yeah we
in. In some settings it seems
like you know will do an
investigation and we'll- we'll
catch everybody in the family.
And you know the- maybe that
and that initial the initial
case in the family will be I
will have symptoms. That
everybody else won't. We
mention the situation the
stampede outbreak we talked
about of the Otero county
prison facility you know many
of those cases asymptomatic and
we wouldn't we wouldn't know
about him without testing. So I
don't have that I don't have a
heart and that's number for you
but you know the estimates are
in the literature you have.
Race is symptomatic- that's a
rough number and that number is
subject to change as we learn
more but there a lot of a
symptomatic cases so if your if
your intervention is dependent
on somebody being symptomatic
around code the- you're not can
adequately intervene. The
intervention needs to be for
both people. Better having
symptoms in people that are not
having symptoms and therefore
it has to be really a community
wide intervention unfortunately
because- we have no we now have
no no great way of knowing
who's- who. We have no great
way of knowing that somebody is
not infected. Given the amount
of a symptomatic- illicit we
see. Thank you doctor landed
million into as we pro you we
you know we a lot of hurting
you and your thoughts what
you're- consider as an apogee.
In terms of her community can
you explain that further and of
what that you know how that is
being. Discussing your circles
in terms of in relation to on
the state of New Mexico and
their interventions. Sure so
herd immunity is where
basically the immunity of the
population her tax those that
are not in year. So let's talk
about measles measles measles
very infectious it's more
infectious code. And we need a
basic have. Back coverage you
know. 9295% of the population
to use for measles or immunity
to measles. To protect those
that- may not be able to get
vaccinated or don't get
vaccinated so that's really
what sort of herd immunity is
it's another community where
the community decides to
protect itself. You know in
this case the state in New
Mexico are laws. Stayed in next
year's to be so that those are
more by. Maybe the have. They
cannot get any particular back.
For or they're just more
volatile to convert of L. no
the key to protect. At the
community and the community. So
for. We don't really know what
the magic number is said for me
it's 9290% to be either fax or
have the elements. For code we
don't you what that is but you
say between and 70% And your
people to for you know you read
well articles and get different
you have person of the attached
to of what it will be for code
with. But what and- is. The
community is not going to be
fully per from code for the
committees gonna be well
protected from and until we
reach the person say 6275% how
do we reach separate. Well we
accept by. People getting. Code
develop a antibodies and whole
the antibodies for added
immunity we are a sort of as
soon that they provide adequate
community now we don't know how
the provide immunity for the
antibodies but- so. That's
approach to their you know it
unlikely the. The percentage of
folks and about in in so Iraq.
Is it is greater than 5%
interest. So we have a long way
to go to get to her to. The
best of to getting to her to is
the back. And there have been
develop interest to the vaccine
develop. Sir trials are moving
toward phase three trial which
is the you know thestep the
process that's really good
their backs in countries are
promising. Sure that by health
early year of next year the
will of the vaccine. And then
that. Will provide that her
immunity that we need. And that
we don't to wait 46270% of.
135% of the of the population
in New Mexico to get naturally
infected their communities
actually. Got enough for
immunity to protect those that
are more more vulnerable or
those that haven't elected to
or or aren't immune yet. Thanks
for that and I are that site is
wanted. That since he by up
270% is just your best
guesstimate it's not something
that. We don't know because we
don't have. You know this is
very new and is that what I'm
I'm hearing you say. That
correct it's- you you have to
sort of. I mean- yeah middle
better as been around a long
time. We've done may study and
we. You know ninety nine five
per. Is her immune level for
measles we don't have sort of
that track record around code
in it's just it's really sort
of a- it's sort of a best
estimate of time. Okay it meant
about and I time you been on I
talked about and the body
testing I know that the state
and Mexico wasn't prepared and
they were just worried about
make sure we got the testing
the people that needed be test
which were all are. As worker
are how care and know those
those folks were how what of
steps have been made in terms
of the working. Our at all rely
on and I test. And a body testy.
Three mayor pro tem there a
there to do. Sort of what we
what I could what we called
based community level antibody
testing to get a of. What the
what are the level the a body a
community. So we have now for a
workplace and budget for CDC
money we will and- a plan to do
so in about testing state why.
A and we already have that that
already exists is this is just
a good way funding at where we
would obtain ask of. And
prevalence you knowof any by
needs region the state. And
then and he popped grew. So
going to be that the another
key law thing you know talk
about this matter being
competitive community back
develop a community. The
antibody prevalence. Study
would be to get a sense of
what's going on in the entire
to. What level of to we have in
region by and state there's
issues within of. Test for make
this. About end of. Like
somebody be it work. Should you
know. That sort of thing so
we're now reckon that at this.
Did anybody tell be use for
into. Patient decisions are in.
Yeah decisions. It's really a.
To see what the level of the
and about are are in a
community. The city or region
or particular type of people
there plan to enter the testing
that health workers. Nation why
you know what. What's the
reason Janet I helped workers.
And in first wrist. Is working
that antibody testing available
and a number of commercial labs
do have those tests available.
Right were were it's not it's
not the same sort of test is
the code test the test for the
virus itself. Where we are.
Supporting that and- you know
state wide and- making sure
that's available statewide the
antibody test is different and
we're gonna do that at any.
Sort of at a regional or group
level. Thank you doctor than
and I appreciate that and last
and I promise last question for
now- is around the CDC early on
in the and then and we have the
CDC here representatives doing
some. Population I don't know
what you call it but they were
here but I hadn't heard back
what in and if any results. On
transformed from them being
here. Do you have that
information are working to get
that information yes yes no I
have and I'm just I'm just
opening it up. So that was that
was a very. Very useful. That
was a very useful study. And.
I'm still looking for it anyway
okay I mean I'm just going to
summarize and I get you more
specifics but- so. We did it we
did it how there was a health
care component to it and it was
city the with the New Mexico
department of health.
Healthcare worker component.
And there was also community
component and the healthcare
worker component. Showed that.
The infection rate was just
very very low among healthcare
workers in Las Cruces when this
was done. I believe late March
early April and- it was no less
than 1% it was really
reassuring in that. The to help
carries a the to add your to
hospitals- in a number the
nursing homes and how can help
in home health agencies. Did
not have any evidence can of
coke at and we and this was
you know. We have to remember
that we talked earlier about a
lot of a lot of Kobe. The
disease is- United people
renting symptoms so this is
this is really good. And show
that you all had a healthcare
we had a really low. Baseline
rate of infection. And in the
community as a whole. I don't
think. D. the patient in that
wasn't as great as we had
hoped. But I don't believe that
we had a positive among the
community- community sample
that we- retaining this was
just this was just basically
**** people sort of at random.
To ask a few questions and get
the get the test. In so. That
that- that those results are
very reassuring and- very
positive and we'd be glad to it.
Sure that if you guys haven't
seen that. I appreciate that I
haven't seen it I don't think
it's something that has been
shared with- me are the council
and I think that would be a
very helpful- but again I get
quite a few emails and trying
to be diligent of how- and I'm
super behind like I think I'm
at thirteen hundred now so. But
I think that would be that
would approve the pressure test
for me thank you doctor Landon
and David don- for being here
and for your caring
compassionate compassion
Connie appreciate and. Okay
thank you mayor pro tem council
Sir did you forget to put your
hand down. No I didn't I had a
couple things I wanted to.
Follow we go there. Okay on.
Let me get to my no. I wanted
also share my concern for those
places especially the prisons
on that the- viruses going
rapidly in and out. I hope we
can find some way to curtail
that infection how the virus in
those presents on it's really
not good it's a bad situation
and I'm on. A supporting those
that that also want something
done in those places like that.
But I also want to thank doctor
landed on for his art talk
about masks is what I've been
saying now for weeks is exactly
the same thing what you said Dr
landed and- and yet I hope
people are listening. To you
and me. There is another thing
that came up our emails- wiki I
as you know we're getting tons
of emails all about everything
here. And lot of medicine Sir
information this information
things are just aren't true and
extremely annoys me. On but
there is one thingthat I
noticed it was really
surprising. And I hope Dr menu
you. Can set us straight on
this are there claiming that
the World Health Organization
came out with. A statement that
says one should wear a mask ace
mask and less you're caring for
someone has. Opened that mass
should only be used by health
care workers care takers are
people who are sick with
symptoms of fever and cough is
that true I did- who. Are
actually come out with a
statement like that. Yeah there
been there been. Councilor
there been various- statements
made by those seats the
department I'll- World Health
Organization as this is
progress and I think the game
changer. For all of us was when
we had definitive evidence of
the- of transmission occurring
from people they didn't have
sometimes be asymptomatic
transmission and that was the
really the game changer and
because of that that huge huge
development. I think that
pretty much all public health
entities. You know in the US
and worldwide are. Are very
supportive the mask use at this
time. What was happening before
before this became clear about
a symptomatic transmission. Is
any we have this issue in New
Mexico. For I mean we had we
had to be so concerned about
the health care workers having
adequate PP that. Yeah we were
really- discouraging PP use
among non health care workers.
But with this with this new
new evidence that there is.
There's spread from people that
are exhibiting symptoms- that
just changed everything and I
think I think all the public
other musicians now our locks
that with respecting.
Recommending face coverings for
the general public. Okay well
they're they're claiming this
came out from the world horses
health organization just
recently. The last call- cancer
I as were as we're going
through here I will. I will
take a peek and asking. To get
back to you all- on whether or
not time I'm seeing that as
being a current recommendation
of W. Joe I don't think it is
but I will. I will check that
in but they they and they may
have other they may have sort
of developing country
consideration to have to
consider- that are not. Not
really relevant to- a country
like the US. Yeah okay that
makes sense on. I am. Okay
there's a lot of other claims
that we're getting emails all
of us are and so many are are
wrong and they don't understand
what the ordinance is going to
be and so forth to- there's
just too many to answer them I
tried once. And I keep getting
justice Matthew back again and
so it's kind of a hopeless
situation by John yeah I hope
just everybody I they can- wear
the mask where they're supposed
to wear them. And we'll go from
there okay thank you Mister
mayor in thank you Mister
doctor landed so much. Thank
you councillor council Bencomo.
Thank you mayor on again right
gratitude to all of you David
Dunn and doctor land and for
being with us again thank you
my name can you remind me what
your official title is. Yes yes
Councilor is a state
epidemiologist with New Mexico
department health. Thank you I
am I can quote you often in my
so he approves it I forget your%
title I also want folks that
are listening in to. I remember
your credentials because it's
the reason that I keep we trust
what you say- and I know that
you have the best- intention
and the best sort of. Care for
community ayes anybody so I
really appreciate that- you
mentioned a the ray as of June
first for doing a county being
to her nineteen per hundred
thousand. How does that compare
to the other regions or other
parts of the state. Yes so. In
terms of if you were looking at
it regionally. We have. The new
user these are yes I the
different time periods but and
sort of at the end of the month.
The northwest was it said
basically nineteen are eighteen
ninety six per hundred thousand.
One eight nine six. Second with
the metro region. At two thirty
seven per hundred thousand.
Third was the southwest region.
At two OO. Six hundred thousand
and that and that number is you
know relatively close to dying
any carries number up to
nineteen. Reflecting the
dynamic carries numbers really
do drive the southwest region
members. And the northeast is
eighty nine point six in the
southeast. Sixty six. So the
southwest was sort of
intermediate- of the five
regions it was it had the third
third lowest in third highest
rate. Thank you heard that
right down the line and then- I
just I wanted to say how but I
thought it was really great
that you said earlier about.
This is a social contract it
were really passed to this
individual choice and now
really act this community
choice so I this community
community decision I think that
helps. Me make- make a decision
moving forward. And then I
wanted to address even just
from Dr- Damascus councillor
Vasquez is point regarding. The
detention centers you know I
recently heard it back in DC
the management training
corporation which is a private
contractor running the O. that
office Elise I believe both of
them- recently. Roach the
abeyta county commission to
terminate the contract because
of low capacity and only going
only proving that companies
like MTC care about their
bottom dollar- because of.
Because they're having left
people in their beds there
making less money so last I
heard and you see probably made
either fifty six or sixty
dollars per person per day- so
you know. There is an incentive
to get people in those bags
and- there was a transferring
out of folks right before Kobe
head due to some other things
related to federal policy but
they have such low numbers
right now in their facilities
that- that they don't operate
there anymore because they're
not making any money so I do
hope that. The beginning to
take. A more serious stands on
this because it is- at the end
of the day it's still business
that is not operating within
the- boundaries of New Mexico.
I hope that we begin to phase
out these contracts that we do
let business with these people.
I'm a definitely hope to see
you know I don't know if Mr
Morgan are documented I really
do hope to see. Folks like you
also you know to public stances
on. On how these facilities
you know are record public
safety and public health and in
our communities so- I know that
that's probably not something
you're considering right now
you're in. Credibly busy trying
to figure out how to. Ensure
less people are gunning for
this disease is very very much
appreciate that whole. Back up
yeah. Of this whatever that
means that the new mac
department of definitely taken
strong stance against again.
Present those rotation a hands
me thank you thank you
Councilor Flores. Thank you
Mister mayor and thank you
hello my dear colleagues since
mayor and- thank you doctor
Landon David Morgan and John
Sanchez site information- that
you have provided for of course
this morning. And yes we have
been inundated- and the yeah
just many many many emails and
they're actually. You were yes
is you know yes on our ask
mayor mask wearing out.
Ordinance then then than there
are knows I mean there are more
notes- so doctor lead and I
have a few questions for you.
From yeah we as a
representatives of our local
government. Local residents
have this burden- of passing
ordinances that have to be
weighed against are or you know
that the weight of what what's
fair to people- are we going
too far on something not doing
enough for the health and
safety of people because that's
basically our mandate- we're
here to sure sure that we have
a safe city and on health and
personal safety and all that
so are you the question first
of all- has heard immunity.
Work anywhere in the world I
know that Sweden tried it and
heard or site I have no way of
knowing whether it was true
that it didn't work has heard
immunity of been reported to of
work any in any country in the
world. Councilor for. Herd
immunity to work the virus with
it had you already have pretty
much gone to the entire
population we have to hit that.
Yeah that estimated 6275% level.
Of the of the of the population
having code it so in Sweden
they they try to he more sort
of voluntary approach to
social distancing- it the
interventions were talking
about and they estimated there
the card that the percentage of
the population is infected is
greater than in some other
places but they haven't a chain
herd immunity. And
unfortunately. While I think
they felt that this gave more.
More freedom to the population
as a whole they had a very high
death rate- quickly or among
institutionalized people
persons in nursing homes and
among the elderly population so
that is. That was that that's
the concern about Sweden's
approach. Thank you. Question
is as far as the- the
infection- ratio- you said it
was one pretty much one on one
at this point here and on your
and accounting but- but is
exponential because in that
other person who- just
contracted will vine and so on
and so forth. So is it does it
just go one on one or does the
one who became infected. First
one- the person has a potential
of- infecting someone else so
reviews a just war it isn't
like one becomes. One one can
become. A lot. I think so that
I Councilor yes that's true so
I mean because it's exponential.
It's sort of like basically you
have. That one you are using
the nine leads to ten okay. So
nine cases you're gonna end up
with ten right now based on the
one point oh nine effective
reproductive reproductive
number for the southwest. And
it we have the beginning a week
and- but those ten. Those ten
are each going to lead to a
little more than one for each
and it and as you said it just.
It just sort of compounds. But
at one point oh nine that
doesn't. That doesn't happen
very fast. But it to you know
basically. We see we see
doubling every every generation
of cases with the a report
number two so it does small
changes in the reproduction
number have. Big impacts on the
number of and talk to people in
the community. And yeah for
above one. We do see sort of
that that exponential aspect of
this does come into play
because- we're not just talking
about one generation of cases
we're talking about second
generation a third generation
of fourth generation and on and
on and on. And therefore we
have to. Get ahead of it. With
our interventions. Yeah we
talked about waiting two weeks
to see if there's an impact of
our of something well the
problem is waiting two weeks is
that you may have a lot of
transmission in the in those in
that in that two week period.
Thank you thank you- thank you
very much information my first
question is. People are you
know I think people are you
explain very well how
antibodies- we don't have
enough antibodies or not
testing for them right now- and
even if we did. My question.
Nation of gathered- from
reading everything I could
possibly read. About this is
that the- and I think as
reported by you in one of our
previous meetings of is that.
There there's different kinds
of- Kobe nineteen itmaybe
they're not all code nineteen
because there are different
strains or that the antibodies
are different and there's not
enough of the- sample or
there's just not enough- anyway
we don't have the antibiotics.
But it. We don't have and the
body treatment at this point or
attempt to treat works for
whenever Iraqi but- there's
also- as you mentioned before
the question of relapse. And of
re infection so say for example
we did have an answer body with
that antibody. With the vaccine
of with that potentially take
care of all the possibilities
and- more fate more. The word
more for the corona viruses
morphing so. I am a in it in
all its would it be effective
with one antibody city- the
antibody confirm patient one
is- yeah Houston in the group
of people- with that antibody
necessarily. Of keep that
person from coming down with
another strain of the ****
buyers. Councilor the right of
our I mean did the code because
the nineteen is a relatively
stable virus compared to say
influenza it doesn't seem to
mutate as much so that's a good
thing so we feel like it's a
it's a good candidate a
potential candidate for vaccine
and- so. What were. Again were
early in this in dealing with
this disease we don't have all
the answers. We don't know. If
there would be reinfection. We
know I mean we have every
reason to believe their bodies
are are- develop after- it
infection. And we have every
reason to believe that those
antibodies are protective but
we don't know for sure. So that
we're gonna learn about that as
you as the vaccine research
proceeds as we learn more about
the disease after more studies.
But for right now there is a
possibility there's a to the
possibility that there could be
reinfection but that's not
proven- we do know that with
other- viruses that. You can
having unity for up in some
viruses provide immunity for
carried into. Some viruses by
the muny for a long period of
time so. If you still that's
still up in the air. But I will
have decided they were not seen
a lot of. Thank any virus or
there are mutations. But we're
not seeing. Be unmounted
mutation that we see for a
virus like influenza. And a
code buyers relatively stable.
We are seeing ADA bodies. You
don't know for sure if those
are going to protect people
from. Getting infected again
but we'll we'll we'll learn
that over time but we have
every believe reason to believe
that the antibodies are
providing community. We just
don't know how for how long.
Will will learn that go along
thank you doctor line so I
think my last I believe this
will be our last question is
that. Is this. So since we
don't. He came to your read we
are the code nine and we don't
have a vaccine. And then is and
since we don't have a vaccine
the only thing we have right
now correct me if I'm wrong is
the behavior that we have- that
we have taken on- we it it's
been demonstrated by washing
our hands. And social
distancing and wearing a
facemask backed of the Kobe
that we have plan that her- so.
Would it be safe to say you
would be. Why I don't know say
think would be safe but would
you agree that because- we have
taken those measures and
there's nothing else to show
that. There's just nothing else
there's just nothing else that
has that you can look at it
objectively. We just say that
of the curve has been plan or
any other reasonwith them. The
social distancing the face this
stand how social distancing.
Washing washing your hands
frequently and wearing the
masks but it be safe to say
that. There's no other thing to
look at and of those are the
factors that have kept us so at
least. From this following up
accept your term instability.
Excuse me for interrupting
doctor and then I apologize I'm
have to jump off for just a
bit. Mayor pro tem Gandara will
take over I emailed her a- he
public comment- so that she
could read and then. But I
hopefully should be back for
the other resolutions but- want
to sign up for just for medical
care. Thank you it's going
continue doctor. Thank you
there- they Councilor. Yeah so
I mean the reason why the
growth rate has. Growth rate of
the I'd go to nineteen has
decreased is because of the
interventions you mention yeah
I do I do want to mention there
is there is one medication.
Call the room room density year.
Which is available in very very
short supply it is not that
available but it is it's for
use with the relatively sick
people. Hospital it does
decrease the length of the
illness but it doesn't do
anything to. The deal made sure
that sort of. If we're talking
about getting ahead of this in
preventing it yes you're
exactly you're exactly right
the social distancing. The hand
washing. And men sick the face
coverings that soon that's
what's recommended if I could
just mention- I think was
Councilor sorgen mentioned. You
know what about the world our
organization whether they
recommending I did find that.
They are not- they had a to the
queue in a- question answer on
medical that. They're not
recommending medical mass for
the general public. But I
haven't seating specific on
there about based coverage so
what we're recommending we're
not reckoning medical minutes
for the general public
recommending face covered. Is
recommending that's what
apartment house recommending
that's what you guys are.
Debating today and- so that's
about face coverings that and
world others nation is weighing
in on medical master saying.
Medical master for health care
workers primarily in- we're not
we're not disagreeing with that
statement were recommending
face coverings- for the general
public. Thank you doctor Landon
thank you all up thank you
mayor pro tem. Thank you
Councilor- Florida's- I have
two more additional questions
doctor landed I'm sorry one
having to do with children and
mass and your interpretation of
what that does I know that the
governor has. That people
through our children three and
older- can you talk to me about
your family with children and
mass. And how in. Important or
not important that- in terms of
them wearing masks. Yeah mayor
pro tem the- I mean I feel I'm
I'm very sported sees his
recommendations with. Basically
clock clock face coverings
should be used for those to an
older you know whether we talk
about to an older three an
older I don't think that's
really that significant. But I
think children children should
be wearing. Coverings. Like
like everyone else. So that
that that would be my take on
it. Thank you and then lastly
chip people with- behavioral
health issues- challenges with
you know the homeless
population I mean what. What
are your thoughts and I
definitely- want to I can't
status anymore how important I
feel like- the mass are but I
also know there's a huge
population that experience
trauma domestic violence for
instance- rape and the various
tactics that. Haters use right
to hold people you know to
victimize them and I know that
mass would be really
detrimental and one of the
things that I like to hear from
you Dr lined and now I
understand you know where I
stand about the mass that I
think there's generally
populations. And the ones that
I mentioned that I'm have it
great difficulty I'm worried.
And I understand that the
governor has a meet those
exemptions and I being I like
to really push for those folks
that. Have behavioral health
issues or disabilities- that
have you know. Is choose where
a mass and because the trauma
that there'd be- you know some
exemptions and I don't see
those and her. Altogether on
the coal- six for intimate
employee. Can you a little bit
about that. Yes their pretend
that you know I think I think
we need to do the best we can
to make sure that- everyone's
wearing a mask and public. And
people need to wear masks and
private- and that sort of
that's laid out. I think there
are there are check I mean you
know there are there are
medical reasons why somebody
can't wear a mask and I think
if were were reasonable- and
the medical community for
reasonable about those. Those
reasons and I think. It may it
may touch on. The slightly the
population you're talking about.
So I think that and I think we
need to take a look at those
from. This is the health
benefits and as we talked about
it. No I wear the mask but the
primary benefits to those
around me. There are there are
going to be a very a very very
small number of people that
will be able to were a mess for
medical reasons in. I think
it's reasonable to have that
and really. As a possible as it
doesn't exception. I guess I
thank you for that and I hope
that you're able to
communicate that of to the pop
meet that I think there needs
to be some exemptions and as it
relates to that and I'm on I
I'd get deeply concerned that.
As we- debate that ordinance
that we're going to do G. that
I want people to understand
that I'm- this population. And
children of course especially
children who have experienced
trauma- and so I wanna feel
confident that you're taking on
that message to the governor's
office. As it relates to these
two specific populations. Thank
you doctor landed. And mayor
pro tem again do you say
something yes yes mayor pro
tem. Councilors are. I can also
work speaker to the subject
because I have. I do speak if
you will using Facebook
messenger of which you speak a
little louder we can't hear you
or I can at least about now.
There we go. Your on you David
Morgan. You know if I work for
is in the fire. Anyway mayor%
pro tem councilors- I just
wanted to say that I do get to
speak to constituents on a
regular basis- they reach out
to us regularly on Facebook
messenger and I have spoken to
well up several constituents
across the state who are either
do you have- you know issues
themselves of literally feeling
claustrophobic wearing that
mask- and- who have also
experienced trauma. I've also
were you know spoken the
parents of the children- with
the with disabilities
particularly autism where- the
parents are you know saying
look it's really hard to be
able to keep the mascot on my
child or or have them
understand why it's important.
I've even had a couple of
instances where they say that
their child has been publicly
called out publicly shamed for
here where is your mask and
you know that is certainly- not
fair and a terrible
circumstance. And not easy
because you know it's not like
everybody compare you know a
neon sign. Over their head- by
what I have tried to tell our
constituents is. You know with
that. We do under that hello.
As the admin. Does as the New
Mexico department of health
does and you know to just
remind them that masks while we
are heavily emphasizing the
need and importance. To be able
to prevent community spread by
wearing masks we understand
that not everybody can wear the
mask. And for your specific
situations well just know that.
You know we are okay with. And
then what you speak to about
being able to talk about the
when we update them the public
order next time around to be
able to include language to
this the fact. Is definitely
something that I'm capable of
managing up and will do so.
Thank you so much Mister mark
and I appreciate that and know
I feel confident that you will
advocate for those specific
populations as- the governor
continues to. Grapple with
these issues and I hope to see
some specific language and I'll
do my part obviously- speaking
to Victor ray yes are about
these two particular issues as
well so I appreciate that thank
you. Are there any. Are there
any other questions for our
department of health folks.
Thank you again- the three of
you for participating I
appreciate that- we are on to
the resolution are ordinance
he said- discussion resolution
I need that one six six a
resolution authorizing an
amendment the city of Las
contract. 269-032-0016 seven
three two dash a with families
and you think corporate of Las
Cruces New Mexico for an
increase of forty two thousand
four hundred and- alerts for
additional services to the
juvenile. Citation program for
the parks and recreation
department. From able twenty
twenty two June thirtieth
twenty twenty- can I get a
motion. To approve. I'm a
motion made by councillor Sorg
a second I'm sorry I didn't
hear that yeah be done yeah
council yes. Thank you
Councilor for lotus second on
concertful it is who is here to
discuss. Represent this is Jane
urologist who are mourning let
me share my screen so I can
present the reason. Good
morning again this is Jane your
Alex we was purchasing section
Adriana present you the
contract amendment for German
outside Tatian program services
for the city of Las Cruces. On
August nineteenth two thousand
nineteen all the city council
approved a resolution number
twenty dash zero. Two six what
are your symptoms all various
of grants. Order JCP services.
Families and use Inc why was
awarded or juvenile. Assessment
reporting center J. A. R. C.
services what a total of fifty
six thousand dollars. Reside
the vision funding available we
are asking the council to
approved the reallocation of
forty two thousand dollars what
is two thousand- four hundred
eighty dollars the on spend
phones to J. A. R. C. services.
In order to cover to service
phone first to June thirtieth
two thousand. Raise the year
amendment the total contract
amount is not to exceed
980-004-0080 dollars. We stand
I'll pass on to on Jay and Bob
let's talk more about the
service and- thank you. Thank
you Mr the appreciate that.
Good morning of. I mayor pro
tem and council and city staff
Robert in years are you
services administrator- J. C.
P. R. we were reviewing all our
budget this year and you to
call the nineteen we have seen
a decrease in numbers and
identified funds that we would
be able to work with FYI to be
able to extend those funds.
Their assessments and services
that they are still providing
the virtual and telephone.
Process is a this time. When he
I- Council options and was
simple questions. Can we see
that last line again I was
really quick. Thank you. Are
there any questions. Yes I'm
council Bencomo. Thank you and
mayor pro tem if you could just.
Sorry I think I was thinking
this was still related to coal
bed nineteen but it doesn't
seem like it's necessarily tied
to that rate. I'm sorry call on
mayor pro tem this is David all
on for the record no this is
not specifically related to
covert. It's an administrative
function yes when we initially
provided the contract to chart
FYI it was a limitation put on
the contract with by council
action because of this on spent
remaining funds for this fiscal
year we need to come back to
council because of that fifty
six thousand dollar cap. So
this is what I would call a
ministerial function and we're
just reallocating money and
amending the contract to spend
funds within this fiscal year.
I submitted. To the state it is
not directly related to cope
with it there are some side
effects because of G. C. P. not
serving as many clients because
of covert but- sharks. Sorg
services. Right thank you David
on your pertaining honestly.
The price issues on our agenda
today but I think it's good and
I think my bigger question here
is and it's really are on the
specific thing. This specific
ordinance I would love to have
a work session on this topic I
think- we really need to have a
conversation about. The jailing
of children- as a whole and
then I would like to understand
how they're working on
decreasing juvenile delinquency
on on all these things and I
would love to understand. How
the city how I can play a
bigger role in this and I think
so I would just I would love to
see a work session regarding
this topic. Yeah thank you.
Sure if I may. I'm yes arms
dollar and- David for the
record Councilor como it will
put it on the list for a work
session and will work for it
with staff you're probably be
in July or August that's where
we're scheduling work sessions
now. So we'll invite both J. C.
P. and chart and probably the
you're not probation office
from families and you can
corporate. I used to supervise
the program at J. C. P. and
shark just to quickly to give
you an overview the G. C. P. as
a diversion program for first
second and third time
offenders. In the chart is an
assessment center that allows
children who are on.
Apprehended by law enforcement
for. Either the citation
violations or or or- status
violations or a criminal
offense the jerk is used as a
reporting center to allow
police to route turn to. The
woman their regular patrol and
hall the chart takes because
see the child to get it back to
the family the decision on
whether to incarcerate a child
or not is not within E. D. or
city control it is. Governed by
the nature of the offense and
the juvenile probation office
makes that determination. And
we will have juvenile probation
is part of that discussion but
I believe that incarceration.
On is very minimal on
relatively- in New Mexico and
on add account yet it is not
something that the state takes
a likely there is a very
detailed process. And it it's
not the local there's a
statewide system that handles
that determination as to
whether a child will be
detained or not so it is a
complex process but all all
work which- J. R. me from our
G. C. P. staff to coordinate
with. Both F. Y. I. and
juvenile probation to. Senator
work sessions. David I really
appreciate that the council.
Thank you- Mr doll I had I
appreciate that- I I've been
obviously with my work with
children youth and families
department the dark the
juvenile referral and receiving
center was based on you know
evidence evidence based
programming specifically- in
Florida they haven't receiving
center similarly to this- and
so over the years it has- you
know evolved into what it is
today- and so the whole idea
was to cap you know to
essentially- intervene before.
Going to jail providing all
this front and services to the
family of referrals- shoot up
by the assessment a referral
to the necessary resource as
and then working with the
family using wrapped around
service as so- I agree- I would
encourage you council Bencomo
on Councilor. Abeyta-Stuve V.
to have those conversations
with FY I am sure that I miss
Martinez and Mr- cabin not
would love to have you do it
you know of a provider to work
because I think those are
essential he says to our
community I agree it's very
difficult to. Imprison children
juveniles if you will and we
need to do everything that we
can write to intervene earlier
on and I believe that the G. C.
P. program are- and other
programs are those programs
that and to help. So I'm next
is council. Thank you mayor pro
tem- like pretty much at the
scene- questions or concerns
act- council Bencomo has and
down invite me on that tour I
haven't been there so you'll be
three of us I'll still be
within the over me I guidelines
and thank you Mr don hand for
as always providing- the
background information on this
as I was concerned about. Well
year we're funding and what are
we doing. Anyway thank you
thank you very much. Thank you
health circle is councillor
sort. Thank you members- I just
wanna make a comment that yeah
its name is several years now
but at one time- the J. C. P.
were. Offered to- have a
session with the hi young
people that were in the program
and some city councilors and a
couple other people to remember
that police chief was there
wants to. On but that was a
long time ago and- I thought
this sessions were very
interested in and I got a lot
out of it hi. And I and I and I
helped a young people did too
it seems to me they did we what
ask questions of each other and
also. I thank a gamer to that
was appropriate for this type
of situation- on. Site yes I
strongly suggest that.
Councilors that participated in
this and see what it's all
about it's a it's a very good
program I thought anyway at the
time. Thank you mayor pro tem.
Better mayor will bolt include
that as part of the discussion
the work sessions. At and give
you get the full council an
understanding. Of how the
program works and what that
involved in the past. David not
I think it's important to my
number of you juveniles that
have gone through a program
recidivism rate- you know those
kinds of things I think are are
really. Important and sort of
gaps and barriers in service
and site I like to hear those.
Those as well. Back now so- I'm
I forgot I had my camera down
and put it back up so I heard
all the input- was the look
like there's anything more. I
guess our Alex and Robert in NJ
they're finished with all their
presentation. I believe so
mayor yes. Further we're- all
right all right so Christine.
This is on the motion to
approve resolution twenty dash
one six six. Councilor
Abeyta-Stuve V. hunter Vasquez
yes. Cancer Bencomo yeah. Your
support yes. Concerts lotus.
Yes Council yes there yes. Okay
so before I go to notice repose
ordinances- I don't think mayor
pro tem you didn't read this
this letter that I forwarded
you. Now you had okay so this
Joe man Mr just how we short of
the city hall today thinking
that we're gonna have a- the
council meeting in chambers and
which we didn't and also. The
fact that this is a special
city council meeting we don't
really have a look input but I
told him that I would be
willing to read his. Statement
so I want to read it to me and
then we're going to go to item
four point one. So it says from
Jeff how we- it's starts off
liability it seems clear that
this ordinance is not about
protecting public health not
practical not a good use of our
law enforcement departments
limited resources and not about
protecting civil rights which
leads me to believe that this
is motivated by a desire to
generate finds or revenue for
the city. Follow the money as
the old saying goes our police
chief has already stated that
he believes that the citations
will be dismissed. If and when
they are are made. Or make it
to court and that means that
there will be a huge strain on
our court system too but I
digress. Let's consider the
possibility that you get this
ordinance passed and John Q.
public goes along with. As both
bullet points- one would you be
training citizens in the proper
protocols for VP. This will
take time and taxpayer funds.
To will you be providing a
large supply of disposable
mask. Or several reusable mass
to all citizens. This will take
taxpayer funds to. We'll be
providing hand sanitizers and
or hand washing stations
throughout town. This will the
taxpayer funds. We'll be
providing bio hazard waste
disposal station throughout
town. This will take taxpayer
funds. At this point it sounds
like. A money losing.
Proposition and let's consider
what happens if you don't do
all the above. And again board
appoint someone becomes
effective. By re using a
disposable mask. Or someone
becomes infected because they
were not able to wash sanitize
their hands before each masking
or email asking. Or someone
becomes infected because it
came in contact with the use
mass of those that was not
properly disposed. Or someone
suffers teach stroke. Heart
attack or death as a result
were in mass. Can you say
lawsuit. I knew you could.
Please vote against order
number twenty nine twenty nine
given the facts obviously right
thing to do. Again signed. By
just how. So I'm gonna before
we with those proposed I'm
gonna ask Barbara if she would
expect share with us G. item
four point one and five point
one and it's. Yes good morning
merry council barber Jelling on
interim assistant city manager.
And they'll be bringing forward
of for your consideration. Two
items one is a face covering
ordinance- item four point one
it's a regular ordinance first
read the previous ordinance
brought to you on June first
was an emergency ordinance but
the mayor had not authorized
that designation. This
ordinance brought to you today
also does not duplicate
directives under the state
public health order of the
duplication can cause
difficulties with enforcement
and also we went to him for
avoid any conflict with the
penalties imposed. By the city
ordinance versus the state
director of. So what I'd like
to do first is go through the
proposed regular ordinance with
you. And I'm gonna start
sharing my screen. Not to be
voted on this is merely a- for
public notice correct. Mayor
council this is that is correct
this is the first read so we
will be discussing. Of the
ordinance it is not to four
vote that will come forward at
a later date okay thank you.
All right. So do you see my
screen now with the trees
covering ordinance yes. Thank
you very much. All right so go
ahead and start and just of.
Quickly review that we have
three- all week sorry we have
to items that- cover a
municipality with respect to
face coverings we have the
mayor's proclamation. Of on may
fifteenth twenty twenty which
required the public to wear
face coverings in city
buildings and facilities and it
also required face coverings on
public transportation. The term
for that proclamation runs
concurrently with the declared
public emergency. We also have
the governor's public health
orders I mentioned earlier and
the requirement there is for
individuals and public settings
to wear masks. And of for
employees in the workplace to
wear face coverings. The
ordinance before you to day
requires face coverings of to
be worn by the public in any
retail or commercial business
it has exceptions that align
with those in both the
governor's public health order
and the mayor's proclamation
include eating drinking
exercising. Children under the
age of three and anyone with
health issues that preclude
them from wearing a face
covering. The termination if
the ordinance is enacted- the
termination would be by city
council resolution and any
subsequent renewal of the terms
of the ordinance what also need
to be enacted by city council
resolution. In the a proposed
ordinance we have defined
retail or commercial businesses
as an entity that provides.
Good their services to the
public and we have provided
examples of these businesses
that align with the businesses
that enumerated in the states
all together now New Mexico
code safe practices so you see
some of them listed here. As I
did previously I have provided
a summary of what the
directives and orders cover
between the proclamation the%
state's public health order and
the proposed ordinance before
you today and you'll see that
the focus of today's proposed
ordinance is for the public to
wear face coverings in retail.
And commercial businesses which
is not duplicated elsewhere.
I've alsoprovided an overview
of this exceptions in these
three and the proclamation
state public health order in
the two days proposed ordinance
and you can see that we have
aligns with the two previous.
Vehicles for mandating face
coverings and this ordinance
requires or allows for
exceptions for children under
three people with health issues
eating drinking and exercises
site indicated previously. As
the mayor noted there being no
of vote today this is the first
read of this ordinance and
therefore it's a discussion
item at this point and I will
stand for any questions you
might have. They brought. Away
for the councilmembers to put
their hand up but before I get
to them I want to ask something
of a deputy chief the Mingus
chief- Gallagher is out this
week. So that the chief. Yes I
got a quick question so I'm
gonna use this one example and
I'm gonna shift to the face
mask. So it's my understanding.
That let's see you take a
private business. Of home home
depot for example if someone
parks in the handicapped zone.
That doesn't have a placard.
The city police will not site
them unless they have
permission from the owner that
says you know what we don't
like that you go ahead and
anyone who works in a handicap
zone it doesn'thave a- a
placard you guys in the ticket
unless you have that permission
you're you're not gonna do that
on private property is that
correct. I hope that the- good
morning- mayor de deputy chief
giving us for the record- we
cannot site on our own private
property anybody that's park in
a handicapped. Parking with or
without permission all right
okay I was of the impression
that she needed to have like
the owners. Of permission to do
that and the so that's not the
case you could sign it whether
they give you permission are
all. Right Sir okay the man
that clear fight some for me
that I appreciate that. A
chief. Okay so we're gonna go
to questions here councilors
been call mall and by ask.
Thanks mayor. I'm sorry I'm
just frustrated that were here
again yeah on another note not
voting on this- you know Monday
I was. Hold back the sun news
had reported that we would be
voting on Monday. And then I
think it was a pretty consensus
decision to have this be about
today. So that's frustrating I
think what it's allowing to do
is to build- more on these fear
mongering social media
campaigns frankly- you know I
think we just heard from and if
the email address of experts in
their field about. The use of
masks and I think you know
you've been mayor part of you
know you really appreciate I.
Appreciate whether. On whether
there again S. but I think what
I don appreciate as one were
spreading misinformation that's
really dangerous and I think
that. I am just hearing so much
fear mongering in our community
regarding this mask and I mean
we heard doctor man and this is
this is a community decision
now this is- I would begin to
re open there are set of things
that we need to do to take care
of each other like each other
is all we got. Let's take care
of one another and wearing a
mask is a very simple way to do
that I mean I think- you know
and I seen people saying that
you know we're sending people
to jail I am literally
advocating for less people to
the jail and detention centers
in our county detention center
and you went out with I am. I
am advocating for less people
be in jail so people will not
go to jail because they're not
worried. Right if the data
going I contentions if they
decided to. Let go of people
with certain non. Criminal
offenses because they wanted
last people in. Jail due to a
Colbert then you are not going
to go to jail for not wearing a
let's just make that really
clear. Now the thing that I
could be king about is- let's
say that- a grocery store
worker someone who's gonna. At
work or has been Frank putting
their health at risk this
entire pandemic. So that we all
have access to food in access
to clean and healthy
environment shop and if that
person feels threatened by you
because you're choosing not to
wear a mask and they decide to
call. The police about it then
yes you might have a fine that
might happen if the police
officer gives you I'm asking
you site not to take it
sometimes those are the
consequences I've spent before.
Nine got caught speeding and
I'm going to get that sort of
the consequences. Of for
putting other people's lives in
danger and so. I'm just gonna
say that. Take a deep breath
and then one ask Barbara. To
put on the screen with the
three where you're comparing
the three. And I'm curious
about why our order proposed
ordinance has amassed
requirements for exercising and
eating. To me that doesn't make
sense. I'm just gonna share my
screen skews me this barber
deli on again enter insistence
he manager. That's right I was
on you the whole time comes.
Just got back. All right so the
question is regarding Councilor
Bencomo Americans are Bencomo
the question is regarding the
exceptions that currently
exist- so. I'm. Go ahead sorry
Barbara there was a question
specific to one specific
specific exception cancer
Bencomo no Barbara I my
apologies I actually read this
wrong so your best the
checklist say that are proposed
city ordinance excludes eating
and exercising. Mayor cancer
Bencomo that is correct these
are the exceptions that are
outlined in the current
proposed ordinance that's
right. Okay my apologies I
actually read that wrong thank
you those are my questions for
now Mr mayor. Problems now
sorry no the steam in your eyes
probably because the little
foggy. Council Vasquez. Thank
you mayor thank you Catherine
como thank you staff yeah it
seems like we're having some
hick ups here with- the process
for getting these ordinance is
put on our agenda. And you know
hopefully honoring the will of
the majority of the council- as
it pertains to budget this
ordinance but others- I know
we- kind of collectively agreed
even though we could have on
Monday not to vote for this
ordinance- kind of with the
general understanding that that
we be able to vote on it today.
And so disappointed that we're
not able to vote on it today.
technicality of the wording on
the ordinance and so
regardless- we are where we
are. And just wanted to make
you know to express that
because I think we I think that
there was a fair trade off
there- I don't feel we have now.
On the actual wording and
details on of the ordinance
itself. You know I've had a
chance to hear from a lot of
lot of folks lots of input
social media- cell. Email about
folks concerns and there's a
couple of things that I've
thought about this week. That I
could that I could get on board
with- in terms of some changes
to the actual ordinance. Is it
parks. And you know I think I
think we should exclude parts
from this ordinance when it
comes to the base mark with a
face mask wearing. Of I think.
Of course you different but in
general. With folks staying six
feet away from each other in an
open setting- not everybody
goes the parks to exercise. But
I think a lot of people do
right whether they're walking
or jogging or doing something
for exercise. Or hanging out
with family. Or friends and so
I think. I think parks me what
seems like a logical exemption
to this particular ordinance
I'm I can't vision. There be a
whole bunch of people in close
proximity- at parks and so
that's one thing I think I
agree with- and then secondly I
think. You know this whole
issue about discretion- with
enforcement on this- I've had
to. Educate or at least try to
give my opinion on things when
it comes to what the police
department and our officers are
out there choosing to enforce
or not- in terms of discretion.
We heard from cheap Gallagher a
couple of weeks ago that they
didn't even have the capacity
to enforce no speeding
infraction or most traffic
infractions- they were so busy
with other things that they
said honestly we're not. Even
really stopping people for
traffic infractions. And so
those are very important like
cornerstone- things that we
have for public safety
restaurants recover said right
you. Should the panel there's I
don't is running a red light
there's penalties for speeding
there's penalties for running a
stop sign. I'm sure we've all
had we all had our share of
those infractions- but given
what's important to. The
public's health and safety of
our community of our police
department makes those
decisions about what which
would force and what not to
actively. Seeking with ATVs we
heard just from the other day
from the chief right
collectively as a council we
wanted to. Allow you TV used to
be on the street or not and to
be skewed TV's to be on the
street. And even though ATVs
are now also probably in larger
numbers on the street- those
that's not being enforced. We
heard that from the chief as
well right so there's a couple
different instances ordinance
is there not being enforced
that the council has created.
Because we want status more we
want. Both to allow these
things to happen or prohibit
something to happen. But with
the understanding that it's
going to be up to the
discretion of our police
departments one fortune not for
stands. But those things that
social norm the educate the
community. To help us to help
shape who we want to be as as a
people. And so in terms of the
enforcement piece people say
you know contribute their given
tickets and that they're going
to be. Putting people in jail
I just don't think that's a
fair statement to make or to
assert- or even- on the part
of. Of to Gallagher to say we
don't have the capacity to do
this will. Not capacity do a
whole lot of other things and
so- so I think you know that
comparison- I don't think it's
fair. However if there are if
there is another way. Perhaps a
civil penalty I'm not sure and
that was my going to be my next
question for. Jennifer or
somebody else- I don't know if
it conflicts with what the
state currently has in- you
know in terms of their penalty
for a mask- but if it's a civil
penalty right citation verses
jail time I would also support.
So that's that's my question
for legal or someone who can
answer is- sensually make this
a civil infraction rather than
a Mr. Forget the I and I do see
Jennifer I thought she had also
taken some personally but
Barbara deli on looks like she
has her hand up and then- if
Jennifer is here and she like
to comment on that. That's it
council. I mean if you ever
order. Okay yes thank you mayor
and council Vasquez this is
Barbara W. and just wanted to
respond to the councilors
comment of with respect to a
potential exception for parks
and I is provided. Perfect this
ordinance before you focuses on
the used to face coverings in
commercial and retail
businesses when we're talking
about are city facilities parks
etcetera. That number to the
mayor's proclamation so if
there is to be an amendment to
that it would be two. Different
vehicles for face coverings
verses this ordinance which is
focused only on the commercial
and retail businesses. Okay
thank you. Yeah I read I read
in the ordinance and I guess
the mayor'sproclamation is
included in the ordinance
package as- in formation. Okay
well that's that okay well that
that's something I think that
we should absolutely look at in
terms of the proclamation mayor
present in your agreeable to
looking at to get under your
your ordinance or when it comes
time for council to review that
ordinance- that might be an
option. Explore did you wanna
hear from Jennifer yes yes.
Jennifer mayor and council can
you hear me yes yes okay I'm
sorry I am on leave and I'm
using my phone so my video
won't be the best- as far as a
civil penalty that you asked
about that would require a
different type of ordinance is
allowed under- chapter three.
Under state law. We could
perhaps crap something in a
nuisance abatement but that
would be different type of
ordinance and we'd have to
bring out for several weeks we
currently don't have a process
for administrative we can
create one it's not impossible
to do we just don't have one
right now. And that would. Have
to be a different ordinance.
Okay and Jennifer that
ordinance- when councillor
Vasquez would probably be
similar to what we had when we
had that red light cameras that
was more of a of a civil
penalty and then we also had to
have a separate hearing officer
to have that opportunity for
those who were given that
technicians of the have a
chance to lead their case of
the speakers that correct.
Jennifer yes mayor and council
that is correct we do not have
a current process for that it
would be very similar to that.
On there's another option which
would also require an amendment
to this ordinance would be a
penalty assessment a strict
penalty assessments. But again
that would that would occur in
municipal court as well. Okay.
Well thank you I appreciate
that clarification I mean I
think that might be a good
middle ground. I don't think
the intent of the councilors
for anyone to go to jail or
anyone to get a five hundred
dollar fine- but- you know we
want to normalize this because
the vulnerable committee the
vulnerable population in our
community. And the of her time
and time again in fact from
folks who opposed this
ordinance have consistently
sided. The number of people
packed together at big box
stores as reasons why we should
reopen the rest of the city
right and so. I think. We have
to come to a realization that
if we want to protect the
elderly those that are
compromised- children that we
should all do our part and be
responsible citizens to each
other- especially in the
settings where social
distancing is a little bit
harder. And I think that's
that's a good middle ground
it's a good compromise as we re
open- I've seen at Albertsons
the way that they have a
specific worker- staff member
who's outside of Albertsons.
That doesn't let people in
without a Max and I have seen
and numerous times those
interactions- and most of the
time they've been very friendly
right they they- you know
folks. Either get upset they
can't going without a mask in
the leverage used to go to
another business- oftentimes
they find something to make a
make shift mascara. And ensure
that the store with a makeshift
mask on- but you know. At
Walmart and other places where
there's really no nobody asking
folks put Maxon. Is where
you're seeing the large
concentration of people without
masks. On which are
compromising the decisions that
other people who choose to wear
masks are. And so- I think it's
a good middle ground I don't
know I guess Walmart's national
policy is not. To ask people to
wear masks at the door which I
think is a failure of
leadership on Walmart's part
but- we should do what we can
where Walmart is. And I think
in these commercial and retail
establishments it's a small
small thing to do- to respect
the health of it you know
choices of others so whether
it's a civil penalty- or
otherwise I just I just think
it's a- it's a way for us to be
able to- control probably with
the most people are currently
gathering. With our masks. This
proximity to each other. I
comments to quit for now thank
you may thank you councillor
council Flores. Thank you
Mister mayor. And so to for
clarification purposes this is
just on the commercial and
retail businesses that we're
discussing for future action or
correct- miss Christine murder
or Mr Leon. Mayor and council
Flores correct the item before
you is the ordinance that is
specific to mandating the
wearing of face covering income
retail and commercial
businesses. In what is the
enforcement language on this.
You have a- yes read it for the
record. It if it's on ordinance
is probably five up to five
hundred dollar penalty and or
up to ninety days in jail I'm
going to gather some that's our
that's our city ordinance.
Standard that's right. Sorry
Merrin cancer Flores it it the
penalty is a- misdemeanor for a
fraction of this ordinance.
Thank you well. So there is
time to serve according to that
ordinance right in the event
that it's that there's a police
officer sees it and this person
can be down are taken to jail.
City signatures somebody the
strangest double showing here.
The question of- deputy chief
of the meeting is. As the
Mingus are you are you here.
Chief deputy chief Dominguez
are question for him I'm
available thank you thank you
so- this this this a ordinance
was to pass and- you I saw that
it was being violated- of that
you know people were confirmed
that a person wasn't complying
with it. Would you be able to
arrest a person and that person
to jail. Mayor councillor out
Flores of deputy chief coming
is for the record. Yes we
would- we would be able to take
us somebody to jail for not.
Complying with the ordinance.
However in our case we were
gonna of seek out compliance
first. Of warnings as possible
as any criminal citation or
traffic citation if they refuse
to sign the citation in lieu of
a rest then we would have to
arrest. So this occasion they
were not the sign is a- just a
recognition that the they have
not complied with this with the
work is that correct. Mayor and
council Flores of that is
correct. Okay and where your
department then be able to
track the citations and find
for repeat offenders on for
lack of a better word someone
who continues to. Violate the
ordinance and- has piled up
staycation. Are you going to be
able to keep a record of that
Marion concerts lotus yes we
would you be able to try. Okay
so say and then user
discretionary number or of
citations- without the pile up
would be three five nine can
well before that person would
be taken to jail or how. How
how would that work. In reality
ordinance usually forget the
reality just- just procedurally
how would that work mayor
council voters agents. Each
each- incident is treated
because of individual
violation just like speeder for
example it in we give sixty
citations for speeding to the
same person they're all treated
as an individual incident. Okay
but the citations that you'd be
issuing or connection with a
violation of this particular
ordinance for not wearing a
mask- in a commercial of or
retail business- you. Cation
but wouldn't the person would
have to here in jail. They
would have the option to. Work
a mayor council Flores such rex
to me received- tense he did
not of. The judge wanted to
impose a harsher penalty or of
the whole how mobile for the
multiple infractions. Well he's
court judge you know whether a
judge would- not enforce the
ordinance at all either by a
fine or- restoration. You near
council Flores said may be
strictly up to the to the
judges the judges discretion.
So if you saw someone and you
we should the citation for
violation of the ordinance of
person would have to go to go
to court. And potential we are
going to jail or- a fine is
that correct. Americans are
Flores that is correct. So to
say that you won't go to jail
because we the city councilors
have no and chants of this
ordinance being in horse.
Doesn't make sense is that
correct. Maybe the city at term
can answer that. Mayor and city
council this is Jennifer bigger
brown. If what I heard you say
is it it wouldn't make sense to
you in passed an ordinance that
we have no intention of
enforcing is that correct is
that what you're saying. No
that's not what I said I'm
sorry I wasn't here. To say
that to say that- our our- out
of the is of our hearts. Our in
change. Is that. About we
really don't want this imports
we really don't want people to
go to jail this. Does it make
any. Doesn't cut it because the
letter of the law would be that
if you have violated ordinance.
You will get a citation
justice- chief coming is just
explain you will get a citation
you will have to go to before a
judge and the judge then has
the discretion of. Finding you
or giving jail time. So for us
as a city council to say- you
know we're so kind hearted here
we really don't want you to go
to jail doesn't cut it. Mayor
and council this is Jennifer
Vega brown that you're correct
the way that the ordinance is
drafted leaves a great deal of
discussion with the court you
can draft in ordinance and you
can add a provision in the
ordinance that has a specific
healthy. You can add a specific
citation amounts you can add
that into the ordinance- much
like. The assessments with
traffic tickets there are
certain traffic- infractions
that are strict penalty
assessment you can't do that
that wasn't done with this
ordinance which you have the
ability to do that- with. With
amendment to this ordinance I
wouldn't recommend. Passing an
ordinance that you have no
intention of enforcing because
when we run into constitutional
issues but you do have the
ability to delineate a specific
penalty. So we can't say to
anyone. About the consequences
of violating this ordinance
you're not going to go to jail
is that. Incorrect for us to be
singer. Mayor and council this
is Jennifer may get brown again
but you're correct the ones the
citation is issued and once the
person appears in court the
discussion is lies with the
judge and the prosecutor. Well
that the prosecutor allows
things whoever that is and the
discretion for panel devices
judge right. Lawyers can I jump
in real quick. No I may. No I
one more question your by may.
All I ask is finishing up.
Thank you Mister mayor. Is the
only discretion the judge
Warhammer we within the
parameters of what the
ordinance States the
consequences will be about
violation is that correct.
Mayor and council. As with all
petty misdemeanors there are
maximum penalties and we have
stayed this has been stated as
a maximum penalty of ninety
days five hundred dollar fine
sowithin that. Yes yes thank
you thank you very much
Instagram. Yeah and so what I
want to say- council Flores and
I'm pretty sure you were there
at the meeting on. Monday but
the majority in fact not all
the council members and
advocated and do not wish to
have anyone arrested or site.
Or cited for not wearing a
facemask and it was brought up
or suggested that a resolution
be brought forth instead of one
ordinance so. If council would
prefer to have the ability to
have the opportunity for
whether it's law enforcement or
whomever to educate the public
on the on the necessity of a
mass were the benefits of a
mask. But not have them. You
take it did or possibly go to
jail then my suggestion. Would
be to look at eight resolution
as set up on ordinance. Okay so
next we've got the- survey to
still be. In the rare- thank
you Councilor lot as for your
questions. Earlier this week I
did reach out with very similar
ones and since I started this I
think it's no. Are no question
where I stand on how beneficial
I feel facemask are and how
they are needed as doctor and
decide for our community- I can
for added delicate balance.
Right now with the opening up
and now we need those community
intervention he says we need
all those pieces so that e can
work together. Our my name- sh
are for this has been for this
commercial in retail spaces- as
noted before there's community
interventions widespread social
distancing washing your hands.
I'm when those are not
available that's where it's so
important that masking comes
into play- but with that in
mind I do I do have concerns
just like you brought up that
we are not this is station
makers on how. This is enfoced
when because we are not the
officers arriving at. Those
places if there the call being
me- I am in support of a
resolution- that way be able to
also carry SMR act that we
need. As because we need the
education. We need asking I.
I'm mayor pro Gondor ask to
hand out masks and I will join
you they had their master the
public I will be there and I
eight think that it is that
community effort that we are
going to need. I want to your
comment Honda jam. Did you send
in his letter- he's actually
absolutely correct that we need
education and we do need racks
outlet. Act and I know he
probably doesn't feel the same
way but we do need those things
out it's very important- as a
no no the items that are as the
affair lead. And different
message and- was that. People
and- not simply getting sick on
with wearing their mass I would
like to say any time we have a
mask over face it's a arm high
environment. Just like with our
undergarments- we need to make
sure we are watching- and that
we have proper hygiene and so
there is definitely an
educational and peace that.
Perhaps needs to be coming out
it seems like there mightbe
some confusion among people
about those types of elements.
I'm so I think we got need to
were on that but I eight I am
can. At being. He's regarding
how this is enforced and so I
guess that I and I'm in favor
of the resolution and to be
able to. The center place does
still show were opened back
this is necessary for
community- especially because
remember it's not just about I
it's about a week and that's
that's a very important and- I
still have not had anybody I
asked for a call on my knee.
And for anybody to bring data
about other and mitigation that
we can bring that's as
effective as masking. And you
know because we want all the
tools we can't during the
process it takes all those
files to work together and so
still if people have more I
guess. I'm happy to hear but I
do think meet. I work for a the
rest of the thank you act.
Thank you- concert with us to
be council Sorg thank you
Mister mayor- I just want to
give a who does still my fellow
councilors in their comments
they've been making so far
there good in that I online
myself with them too. In one
particular one. Announcer
Vasquez. Comments about parks
if he read recall last time we
discussed this I made a comment
that I think park should be off
the list. For the same reasons
he he mentioned today. And I
and if you look at the
ordinance that we're discussing
at the moment there are no
parks- word is far as I could
see anyway- I didn't do a word
search but that didn't look
like the words parks were in
there. I as part of the
commercial retail- however in
the next. One is on the agenda
the word parks are in there is
in that one- I just I just want
to say it. There's very few of
us on this me in this meeting
that went through the years and
which- the debate over seat
belts in cars was. I don and I
don't remember it really well
by god I do remember there was
a lot of controversy. And the
this is all about public safety
on and trying to keep people
safe. And yeah where is seat
belts is very personal- if you
are in a card an accident you
got thrown out of the car it
was your own fault. But if you
had the seatbelt on protecting
I'll never forget a neighbor of
mine of Montana wasn't worried
CLC as they were thrown out of
the car and it died. And are no
they didn't die how did it work
anyway they were saying that if
they have a seat belt on they
would die I don't think so but
anyway. I it was a controversy.
Allah even up into the eighties.
My so be it so it is. And here
we are. Dealing with what we're
doing- well the next lead ation
on the next. The ordinance when
it comes up- in the agenda
thank you Mister mayor. Thank
you Councilor. Also Bencomo
thank you America- I just want
to address a couple of the
other points made earlier
deputy chief Dominguez
somebody's questions are coming
at you. The dynamic any jail
population was significantly
reduce from March till now
correct. Councilor huh- of
their countrymen call one I
believe that's correct and I
think that they focused on
releasing folks who were
suspected of nonviolent
offenses who may not have been
able to post bond and didn't
close a right of light risk
rate. American cervical that is
correct. And then I remember
early on chief Gallagher
telling us about an internal
policy regarding call there
and- that he and you all would
not would be sending fewer
people to jail is that correct.
Mayor council recall that is
correct that's what I thought
so cool what so with that
choice on with that internal
policy which I think was a very
good one in a right one. Who
were you all sort of saying we
will not- be sending these
folks to jail because the
intent is to try to get life
people in this confined space.
Like who are some of those
folks. Mayor conserving como it
depended on the- we were
discussing of the all petty
misdemeanors- I just see you
know the detention center we
have to call them if we do have
a petty misdemeanor- she of
they will be have room. For it
for that of whatever incident
it is we have that we have
arrested somebody on up and
that kind of decides whether or
not we site them or take the
men they will take all of all
by arrestees but- at the its on
a case by case basis. So when
we started discussing who will
who we should take to the
detention center- obviously all
white and offenders we're still
gonna take but we needed to
check with them first because
if they had any symptoms of
Kobe nineteen of that would be
a different- yeah we have to
take pay taken to the hospital.
First instead once. Right thank
you for the as many. And deputy
chief what do you think would
be the likelihood of you or one
of your officers saying Hey
Duran county jail. And I don't
think you can see me but I
making. With my fingers if you
call the jail and said Hey we
have a misdemeanor- aprender
here who isn't wearing a mask
what are the likelihood that
you would actually end up
taking them. To the jail. Mayor
conserving come of the only
charge was not wearing a mask
the it would not be they were
probably would not take. That's
what I that's what I thought
and the prior by that the
concerned to me because I'm not
making the statements have
you're not gonna go to jail out
of the kindness of my heart I
making it because it was very
clearly meet to ask earlier.
During this pandemic but it was
an internal decision by law
enforcement agencies the sun
life people to jail who were
non violent- of the- folks who
were nonviolent offenses so I
just wanted to- bring up that
point. From an earlier
conversation we have so I
appreciate it. Thank you. Thank
you Councilor mayor pro tem.
Thank you mayor- thank you to
my fellow councilors I
appreciate that dialogue- and
deputy chief Dominguez I
appreciate your- replies. I
guess I want them to- Jennifer
Baker brown mistake around. I'm.
The heavy misdemeanors if
someone- had one action and had
the ninety day AJ well time
five hundred dollar finewhat
what if they had second
infraction specific to the mass
what with that he- now did I
hear lost I mean I just on it
clarified that. It Alan meet.
That's under the state law
council mayor pro tem. Mayor
and council this is Jennifer
Vega around on the state
penalty is quite different and
that's only upon conviction it
is. Quite rare- in this city
that anybody would serve time
for a petty misdemeanor went
the beginning at this pandemic.
We heard from defense to a
particular defense attorney and
I looked into how many people
were incarcerated serving time
for petty misdemeanors. And
which I would have had the
ability to submit a motion for
release and there were only
four at that time and we did
release those for so it isn't
common that somebody was banned
an extended period of time- in
jail. For petty misdemeanor.
This ordinance is in Britain so
that a subsequent conviction
has increased penalty so
there's if you have just. Like
what. Deputy chief Dominguez
said earlier if you're arrested
sixty times the penalty could
still be the same there is no
increased penalty for
subsequent arrest your
conviction. Okay and so it
could mean a five hundred
dollar fine. Mayor and council
yes if the judge imposes the
maximum for this offense the
maximum it could be a five
hundred dollar fine. Thank you
and soyou mentioned- civil or
was mention about civil
penalties can you tell me what
that means exactly and what.
And what that would consist of
and how we would specifically
address that in the ordinance.
Mayor and council the in order
to get you a civil penalty
which that. Had been raised
before which had have to look
into that because I need to see
if it falls under our nuisance
abatement in our ability as a
home rule jurisdiction to draft
an ordinance- it it could very
well. We would have to drafted
quite differently because it
would have a civil penalty and
a person who would be given as
a civil citation. Is still
entitled to due process the we
haveto have an administrative
process a civil administrative
process in place. Much like the
mayor referenced are former D.
W. I. your ordinance- on they
would have to be something very
similar in place to that. Board
administrative process. Okay
and so- Jennifer in terms of
any specific. Citations and or
includes specifically in this
ordinance- it would just be a
twenty five dollar fine or
whatever whatever whatever that
is. I mean we can list what
that is and the judge would all
that. Mayor and council you you
can list aids a penalty yes
there cut like a kind of it be
similar to a penalty assessment
much like a certain. Our truck
the fences they are strict
penalty assessments it could be
that it would take a an
amendment. And we I'd have to
take it back I don't know how
substantially it with. The
amendment would make it we
might have to re advertise- but
it can be done yes. Okay okay
and could you just for on the
public's knowledge- speak to
resolutions verses ordinance
says. What what that would mean.
Mayor and council resolution is
does not have a any penalty for
not. To the resolution it's a
guideline- it's a it's a policy
statement and the guidelines
set by city council it's not
enforceable by- a penalty so it
it's quite different than
ordinance. And thank you thank
you mayor. Okay well. So that's
I don't see any more comments
or questions- so Barbara. And
on this here I guess- well
what's going to be a to council
we want to bring it forward
this this is gonna. This is
going to have to be this is the
first read and that's kind of
that's kind of how that is. Let
me just for council Bencomo and
Councilor. Vasquez I respond to
a member of the media and ask.
Why we are loading and ice this
is my response said it was
written and advertised as an
emergency proclamation. I'm
being told. The staff thought I
was supporting a the on
ordinance of mercy ordinance
requiring mask throughout the
city I do not support that. I
do not support requiring
facemask throughout the city
therefore it has to be
advertised as regular ordinance
which basically takes two weeks.
So that's why we're here today.
Thank. Duster Vasquez and now
Jennifer you don't know the
comments. Yes thank you mayor
and council Jennifer Vega brown
eight. Mayor pro tem I
should've also noted that the
difference between a resolution
ordinance. A resolution can be
brought forward within the
seventy two hours there does
not need to be- a two week
hosting of it so a resolution
could be brought quicker and it
its immediate. I'm like a
resolution I could probably
it's twelve fifteen right now
if an ordinance if I resolution
one be brought forth I could
probably get it as a special
meeting at the end of our
regular work sessions on Monday
we have probably. Two or three
hours the been the one we and
our meeting right now and then
staff to draft up real quick
just on throughout the
Councilor Vasquez. Thank you
mayor. Thanks to our on my
colleagues on the council as
well for other- thoughtful
analysis on this issue- I was
just thinking by the time we
passed this either order. To
resolution the pandemic will be
over- but but seriously I think
in the. I think in the spirit
of what I at least heard from
the comments from my
colleagues- and continuing to
also take the opinion of our
alarm Forsman officials deputy
chief thank you so much for
your your opinions today. You
know I think a resolution
probably is the best way to
move forward on this and so.
That's one piece I think of the
public education- that we need
to do our masks and so I don't
want to and there. I think
councillor Abeyta-Stuve we had
some really great ideas. About
public education ray whether
it's video PSAs or- radio ads
are other ways to really
communicate message to the
public that. That wearing a
mask is not the decision to
protect them but their
community and their neighbors
and- we want to de escalate
conflict clearly wherever
possible- but we also can't
can't forget that. Read that
people in stores who have
already complained to managers
and probably local police
officers outside a Walmart when
people are worried massive that
stuff's gonna keep happening.
Because there's some in the
community who right of.
Whatever choice that used to
make not to wear a mask and not
to believe science will do
that. And that's fine right I
mean we don't want to take
people to jail given tickets
for that- but we also have to
be prepared for that reality
right that that's going to keep
have- so I think. A robust
education campaign- citing not
any member of the council but
setting medical professionals
like the state you'd be
mineralogist so that people
understand this is coming from
the most credible sources of.
Of people who are commanding us
to wear masks is a good. Is a
good thing to do so those are
my thoughts are moving forward
on. It the council. Thank you
Councilor Sorg. He gives the
mayor- yeah I got I can cover.
I've always been. A great
proponent for education I on
the importance out everything
and the mass in particular here
on. We so we need to NASCAR.
Where are you your I am home
are just getting. I had my
friend from Mars just yeah I
don't now did that education we
need to really concentrate. And
so on I think we need an
explanation from our legal
staff or staff five the clerk
that of all of our options here.
On today's agenda I'm clear
what the ramifications and what
we do our as from whoever knows
them. That's what I would
suggest that I get down here
Benchley year when we're all
done talking about it. I thank
you mayor thank you- Councilor
Abeyta-Stuve me. Thank you mark
yes I think cancer guess best
that- dining is of the essence
it would be very nice to see
are the resolution on Monday
and then just start working
next week on those educational
bets are and ways that we can
help with the masking so if it
needs to be included on Monday
or if we need to do additional
funding to for here. Mask for
the public to be able to hand
out and make available to them
and that might be something to
also consider. For a- moment.
Yeah okay okay when you said
Jennifer. Jennifer we do that
can we just handle mass to the
public in general or does it
have to be a certain. Income
level that they have to be at.
Because of the anti donation
because- and nearing council I
think that because what we are
in a- state of emergency and
this is a health issue I don't
think that the as a donation
would. Accomplish play immense
because okay as- seven with a
health issue. Thank you yes I'm
back public health and safety I
thought it would but it under.
I think you mayor no thank you
thanks for the clarification
Jennifer. Okay so council
Vasquez. Comment. No major
that's it thank you. Okay so
then- doesn't look like we're
gonna be bringing this forward.
And work was staff to get a
title and- resolute a
resolution. For a special all
city council meeting
immediately following our work
sessions on Monday the eight.
That's what I'm hearing. Yeah
is that. A big party David do
you have a comment Mr mayor is
David all for the record will
be prepare for money for
special meeting on a
resolution. Or the thought so
well okay thank you. Okay so
then- item five point one
council bill number two zero
dash. Zero three. Is that down.
Is or were tabled indefinitely.
Yes will need to remove it from
the table first and then we can
table indefinitely. Okay so
we're at five point one Council
bill number two zero dash zero
three seven ordinance number
twenty nine twenty nine in a
motion and a second to. Rate on
the table. So moved second. Can
you please state your name home
made the motion and who second
please Council voters moved.
Can UT okay out motion by can
floor set by councillor abeyta
okay and then if I get have a
most of the site to table and
that's- there any to take vote
to remember in the first I'm
sorry just just seen if you're
gonna there. I am. So this is a
limo sincere move or to nine to
nine from the chair for just
cancer Abeyta-Stuve the best.
Vasquez yes. Cancer Bencomo. No
country store. Yes what is yes.
Gandara yes there yes. Okay now
only a second to this
definitely. Moved by councillor
for this. Their second. Well
seconded for the discussion
well well seconded on the table
and- Chris seconded to mayor.
Too late. I go official right
as a say. This is the motion to
or twenty nine twenty
indefinitely cancer
Abeyta-Stuve any. Yes Council
Vasquez yes. Conserving comma
now. Because are stored. Yes
what is. Yes. Yes mayor. Yes
and for members of the public
when we table indefinitely we
in effect have killed it and
it's not going to come back.
Okay so with that the intention
to adjourned. The most. On the
Cape motion made by rock said
by come saw that we the favor
say by bus aye I. We're
journeys twelve twenty for PM
thank you.