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now live thank you Adrian good afternoon
city of Las Cruses and residents um
Welcome to our first work session it's
Monday January 11th at approximately
101 um and before um we stand for the
pledge I want um to acknowledge a few
things um the horrific act of violence
in our nation's capital to say I was not
surprised as an understatement to know
our president some members of Congress
incited the violence in the name of
voter fraud is a breach to our
democracy these acts of violence should
not be ignored this Council should take
a stand denouncing the act of violence
and call for the expulsion of members of
Congress and the resignation of the 45th
president of the United
States lastly I want to express my deep
condolences for the death of the
officers Brian D Snick and Howard leing
good these are officers that were
protecting our nation's capital with
that will you please rise and join me in
the
pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America and to
the Republic for which it stands one
nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all
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okay um next on our agenda is pets of
the week Jennifer Martinez good
afternoon mayor protem and Council I'm
going to share my screen with
you see are you able to see the screen
yes
okay I am Jennifer Martinez with the
city's Communications office and today I
would like to introduce you to Arya she
is very friendly but still a little
timid until she gets to know you but
when she does she's very personable she
loves to walk and be out and about and
she also loves to be around other dogs
too and then we have Brad Pit he is the
most handsome cat on the Block he loves
everybody and has a big heart when Brad
Pit first came to the Animal Service
Center he was injured but everyone
helped him to get better and he loves to
play and cuddle and snuggling is his
favorite thing and he can't wait to be
the star of your home if you're
interested in a adopting either Arya or
Brad Pit you can visit ascmv
toorgle number call to make an
appointment at the number on your screen
38218 as of right now the offsite
adoption events are still canceled until
further notice there's some tips as we
get a little bit cooler it's been cooler
out this week in the 20s in the morning
and then only up to the 50s some days um
keep pets indoors as much as possible
during the cooler winter uh use a towel
if you take them out for a walk for
their feet or stomach if you feel Frost
or snow uh water bowls can freeze so
make sure there is access to fresh water
outside if they must remain outside
check twice before starting your car
cats sometimes like to warm themselves
on engines of vehicles uh close to your
engine so make sure you do check bathe
pets less frequently in the winter to
keep their skin healthy and as always
the Communications office has been
bringing you covid-19 information if you
go to our website co9l cis.com
you can find the Los crusis and doniana
dashboard there you'll find some
information about the confirmed cases in
New Mexico and down to the county level
so you can find out information at
doniana County's level C's colorcoded in
the red to Green framework you can see
that right now katron county is the only
one that's showing up there in yellow um
steps to prevent illness you'll find
tips on that also how to protect
yourself all that's available and more
at covid-19 losc cru.org
ER those pets are beautiful I'm sure
they won't have any um problem getting
adopted so let's encourage our our
constituency to get out there and um
adopt these pets
thanks next on our agenda is jobs of the
week I believe Cindy is on the line for
us hello everyone good
afternoon hi s yes how are you good good
how are you good good thank you okay so
for this week's jobs of the week we have
a heavy equipment operator senior
position with a treatment plant or our
city of Las Cruses and this position is
open until filled our next uh position
we have is a paid engineering intern
with General Dynamics mission systems
this position is uh closing on January
the 21st
2021 there's also a warehouse associate
one position open with core and Main LP
this position closes on March 20th of
2021 we also have a career I mean I'm
sorry we also have a cashier position
open with a Salvation Army this position
closes 323 of
2021 and our other uh position we have
available is customer service
representative uh for medical equipment
with the oxygen Therapy Associates
Incorporated and this position closes on
March 26th 2021
but for a full list of all our jobs and
internships and volunteer opportunities
you can visit us at
www. employ new
mexico.com and you can also visit our
www.governmentjobs.com
careers loss
Cruis and to contact us here locally at
our Los Cruses New Mexico workforce
connections our contact information our
phone number is 575 524
6250 our location is at 226 South alamaa
Boulevard Los cruus New Mexico 88005 and
our web page is www.
employee.com thank you so much and have
a wonderful
week thank you Cindy I appreciate it
have a great thank you thank you you do
the
same okay um on to our next agenda item
is 3.1 lasu's International Airport
lease and rates
analysis um I believe Andy Hume will be
um
discussing and folks if I forget please
remind me we have some um some general
comments from the public so remind me to
read
those Andy I don't see you you we are
are good afternoon uh uh Madam mayor pm
and Council um my name is Andy Hume and
I serve as the airport administrator for
L chus international airport it's good
to good to see everyone here today on a
Monday um I have a uh we have a actually
a series of presentations embedded into
one and we'll uh I will get my screen
going here for
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everybody all right am I up and
running I see the screen and all the
slides you want to
perfect so you I'm sorry did you did you
say you do see my email or my not my
email my uh
presentation I see the screen and the
slides Andy
perfect okay
now I do
not
yep that's what no worries take your
time Andy there we go okay it's it's uh
I think this is one of my first longer
presentations I've given here so pardon
my pardon my phone around a little bit
so wores
as you mentioned um Madam chair uh we're
going to be talking about a lease
analysis report that was conducted uh on
behalf of the Los cruus International
Airport and uh we're going to be this is
we're going to be going into a little
bit of detail on uh the uh study itself
as well as some of recommendations uh
that we'll be covering here um here's a
brief outline of uh the presentation
we're going to sort of set the table for
the discussion at the outset uh we're
going to have a presentation by uh our
consultant Duo and King we'll also have
a um a brief presentation about Local
Economic considerations by Kyle eager
our city Economist and then we'll go
through some various uh proposed rate
options uh based on that information uh
and then we'll conclude with some next
steps and and welcome some discussion
and direction from city
council so to provide a little bit of
background um there there are there's a
document called the FAA Grant assurances
and it's uh the sponsor which is us as a
city uh are required to um basically to
to um conduct ourselves conduct our
business in a certain way uh there's
actually 39 Grant insurances and if we
um accept money from the FAA which we do
on an annual basis we need to be um
adhering to these Grant insurances uh
this one in particular Grant Assurance
number 24 specifically deals with um a
rate and fee structure and the the goal
is to use this structure to make the
airport as financially self-sustaining
as possible under the circumstances
existing at the particular airport and
I'll I'll repeat this couple more times
as we go through the
presentation um so we need a structure
we need to work toward Financial self
sustaining and we need to take into
consideration uh what's going on at our
airport uh what our what services we
provide and um as we'll talk about in in
a little bit later on the uh
economic uh considerations in our area
so um we also have other local um plans
uh that that really Drive what we're
trying to accomplish um looking at
growth goals for our airport and then as
always um you really want to review your
your leases and your rates on a regular
basis um in our particular case we have
not done a comprehensive review since
2003 so it's been a it's been quite a
while since we've reviewed all of our
rates and fees and and looked at these U
uh these uh as a as as a whole we' we've
looked at a couple of individually but
as a whole we haven't looked at them in
a
while so what are what are the goals of
this project so one as I just mentioned
a comprehensive review that that was
that was needed to that's needed to take
place also we want to simplify and
standardize uh the language over the
years um the lease language has evolved
and changed and morphed a little bit
here and there and so what we want to do
is we want to make sure that all all of
the federal state and local requirements
are being met all of those Clauses meet
those requirements and then also we want
to do the same thing with the rates we
want to standardize them and uh and and
um you know make make sure they're
across the board that they're reviewed
properly um we'll talk about
differentiating between private use and
land use rates in in a a little bit
later on but it's important to make that
differentiation and right now as an
airport we don't do that so we we'll
talk about that in a little more detail
and then as always you want to apply
industry and and best management
practices and that's a big reason why we
do uh reviews like this and we Endeavor
to um apply the
recommendations I just want to give you
a
brief um review up to this point of
where we are in the project um it's been
going on for a while of course we had to
adjust with with Co we've had to adjust
how we meet and and How We Gather public
input and all these types of things and
also meeting with the um with the
consultant but um we've gotten to this
point here uh here we are with the
council work session um and I really
want to
emphasize um the the not just the
quantity but the quality of the public
involvement that we've had yes we have
to go through the process it's required
we understand that but uh at a number of
points through this presentation I'm
going to to
uh to emphasize where specific public
comments have been made that have um um
really provided some better
recommendations that we were coming
forward to you with so I I want to say
that because it's it's critical not just
to check the box as as sometimes that's
sort of the cynical way of looking at it
we don't do that we want to make sure
that we're looking at that input
carefully and applying it um uh to the
recommendations that we're
making so um we The Economic Development
Department received an Eda Grant to do
some planning um and this planning
included a look at the lease analysis so
we were we're very uh happy to utilize
some of that Federal funding for this
project now we went through the uh the
RFQ process and we select Ed Duo and
King and at this point it is my uh P
it's my um it's my privilege to
introduce uh Mr guy roel he is the
director of Aviation planning at Duo and
King uh and also want to recognize
Dayton kit who's a senior planner with
them and at this point I'd like to turn
it over to
guy i' a a review of the results of
their findings and their their research
thank you
Andy good afternoon how is
everyone
good thank you sorry if I seem a little
rushed I just barely was allowed into
the meeting so I was listening on the
phone so I am caught up and thank you
Andy for that introduction and uh so I'm
I'm pleased to be here yes as Andy had
mentioned we uh we were selected to uh
to assist Andy with this uh this project
uh this project is kind of a you know we
we were fortunate be selected again we
we have helped the airport with other
projects such as the um you know other
other um planning projects in the past
so we were Well Suited and willing and
able and and the timing was right to
actually start on this and if we go to
the next slide um the lease analysis
itself really uh had multiple Scopes I'm
going to focus in just on on the first
two today but I just wanted you to know
that the we we uh the scope of the
project really was uh first and foremost
most was to analyze the current leases
on the Airfield to ensure that one folks
are are being charged an equal and fair
rate amongst their peers and uh and more
importantly number two was to ensure
that the the structure form and uh
process that the airport had in place as
it relates to the individual leases
because there are over 60 leases on the
Airfield each one of which generates
revenue for the Airfield we wanted to
make sure that they were um in
compliance with as Andy had mentioned
earlier Those comp um uh Grant
assurances as Andy mentioned there are a
lot of them uh it's very easy if you um
aren't careful to run a fowl with these
Grant insurances and um the the risk
what's the big risk well not only could
the FAA say you're you're in violation
of your Grant insurances and you'll no
longer are going to receive funding for
the airport but they will also uh
sometimes it would certainly not be the
case with Los cruus but I've seen it
where they've also restricted the
highway funding the public transit
funding the rail funding so it really it
really is a important component to make
sure you don't run a foul with the grant
insurances so we um we also in this
scope at a couple other areas as I
mentioned uh before airport Revenue
planning and Implement how how do you
implement the plan that we put together
today we're going to focus really Andy
asked us to focus on the first two which
is the analysis and the lease review so
Andy if we could change slides
please
maybe there we go thank you uh to
reiterate as Andy had mentioned you know
why does an airport have rates and
charges well first and foremost he
mentioned Grant Insurance 24 which is
basically to set the rates to ensure
self- sustainability the fa wants the
airport to to be as sustain able as
possible so that it does not um it can
operate and it does not cause an unfair
situation with folks which runs into a
second Grant Assurance as Andy mentioned
there's over there's close to 40 total
but Grant Assurance 22 is economic
non-discrimination um our firm does many
of these analyses fortunately your
airport does not have any economic uh
discriminatory issues but there are some
airports in the United States that
because somebody is a little bit taller
than somebody else somebody has brown
hair somebody is a uh just um you know
has contributed a lot to the city they
feel as though or their town or
municipality they feel as though they
can give them a a much fairer rate than
than somebody else and the fa does not
want that everybody should pay an equal
uh fair and reasonable uh rate so we go
to the next slide uh
Andy so in our Le lease rate analysis
we wanted to evaluate many comparable
airports now I've I've only been doing
this for 34 years and I'm learning
something new every day but I can tell
you that not every airport is the same
um in fact on the next slide in a moment
Andy we'll we'll talk about uh you've
seen one airport you've really only seen
one airport they're all different but
the analysis itself looked at airports
are comparable to at a very detailed
level which we'll talk about in a moment
um this is just a a a list of some of
the airports I can tell you that we
wanted to get a kind of a comparable uh
group of airports within the state of
New Mexico we also knew that folks would
be curious what other states are doing
so we looked at other AB budding States
uh such as Texas and Colorado and um you
know why the outlier in the bottom right
hand corner Rutland Vermont well I just
happened to know this airport intimate
intimately used to be the uh Airport
Manager and so I knew that it had a lot
of similarities um with Los cruus so we
we did bring it in to show comparison to
East Coast versus West Coast so some
were asking why that is why we could
Swit PES now next slide
so a lot of the this was a very very
detailed um very detailed uh uh compar
um comparison with other airports we uh
as I mentioned before the state we
looked at we looked at how the FAA
evaluates it which is the the fourth
column which is the what they call the
national plan of integrated airport
system service levels uh nipus as the fa
calls it whether it's general aviation
versus private versus Commercial
Services we looked at you know the the
regional if it's a regional airport
versus a um you know not Regional all
the way to details such as what type of
weather system do they have is it a an
airport similar to Los cruus which is a
139 airport Commercial Services airport
so we did look at um not only these
elements of the lease we can go to the
next slide uh Andy but we also looked at
many others I think this is uh as you
click on it some of the major categories
that we evaluated uh in addition to the
slide you saw before we looked at how
the airports were funded uh are they
funded through non primary Federal uh
entitlement uh primary entitlement the
the the facilities themselves all the
way down to are they 139 the services
that they provide whether it's fuel
sales do they provide aircraft
maintenance Flight Training air craft
for rent pilot facilities and then of
course the leasing elements such as do
they have ability to store aircraft for
local based aircraft to tr in transients
um how are the hangers occupied are they
all full of airplanes are they all full
of boats and um personal personal stuff
which is not uh which is uh very much
frowned by the F frowned on by the FAA
does the airport have a development plan
such as what um Andy and his team are
developing so that if a developer comes
in you've already got it laid out and
you know where the infrastructure is
going to be put down our permits already
in place we also looked at these
aeronautical leases versus non
aeronautical leases an aeronautical
lease obviously is one of which um would
be like a uh a fixed Base operator like
you have two on the Airfield versus
somebody just wants to do work the
airport has a building available and
they lease property like in the terminal
building you have some uh facilities
that would could some could argue are
aeronautical and others could argue are
non
aeronautical um does the airport pay for
snow snow removal or in this case
vegetation management and do they have a
pavement maintenance plan of all of the
comparable airports I can tell you Los
cruus is doing exceptionally well uh in
many of the most of these categories but
uh you know we compared and put them
into categories so that we could and if
we go to the next slide in our
methodology we wanted to be able to rank
these uh um
airports um the good news is that you
know Los cruus maintains as it says with
the slides they maintain facilities and
services that rank in the 80th
percentile but what we found in our
research is that they are only charging
at the about the 40th percentile which
means means you know um the lease rates
were were fairly low you could look at
the bottom graphic which shows the land
lease rates average land lease rate was
about 14 cents a square foot some were
that's the average so there's some that
are over and some that were below and um
but the services and Facilities that
they're providing um which are ranked in
the 80th percentile they're only really
charging at the 40th and I want to pause
here for a second because we're going to
get into in a moment what what the
really the um the point of the of the uh
project was is to come back to Andy and
team and present to them what's the
highest or what's the the cap that is as
Andy mentioned earlier what's the
maximum amount that you could charge now
not that the airport wants to do that
nor was it our recommendation that you
charge at the maximum amount but we
wanted to show this is kind of the cap
that you should go to and uh based on
the circumstances which Andy will talk
about the results of the economist here
in a moment um you know where what's a
happy medium compared to where you are
today compared to where you could go to
where do you land in the middle and that
we'll talk about in a few moments but
some of the other some airports had
favorable SC scores to um L cruus of
course were Fort Collins and amarello
and lck all kind of similar to Los cruus
from a a score percentage but and then
the overall percentile or the ranking
percentile ranking services are at 80
but you're only charging at about 40 so
there is some room for improvement if um
you know this is is the will of the the
people and of course the council so if
we could go to the next slide
Andy some assumptions we just I just
kind of touched on them approval rates
and fees um I have to tell you I work
with um a lot of airports over my time
and this the process that the city of
Los cruus has in play and has been
followed is actually very I shouldn't
say actually it's not un not
surprisingly has been exceptionally well
they've had a lot of public involvement
a lot of public input a lot of comments
and then the mere fact that he's uh Andy
is taken it to the next step to an
economist now he's before the council
it's a process that I I wish it's
actually a great um template for other
uh other municipalities I wish they
would follow sometimes they uh it's not
as as uh comprehensive so it's been a
good
process um some other assumptions that
you know although we had recommended
that the lease rates could be
changed uh existing lease rates uh would
be honored so this is a kind of a phased
approach is what we recommended it takes
time
uh you can't just walk in the next day
and say effective immediately
everybody's rates are raised it's not
the way the FAA would allow by the way
um I spent a lot I spent a lot of time
in DC with the FAA and I brought this
all the way up to Washington DC to say
hypothetically could they adopt the
lease rate the next day and apply it to
all all uh leases and the answer would
be no you have to honor the leases that
are in place and you have to work your
way into these leases so um
we uh we um we found some leases that um
we made some
recommendations uh that should be
reviewed and we did review them and they
should have thorough more thorough
review not many uh to make sure that
you're in compliance uh and Andy has
that information uh new and renewing
leases will be subject to adjusted lease
rates depending on the will of the
council and um also uh um you know well
it's the way the council would like to
go landing flea uh fees appli to
commercial aircraft um that are
passenger carrying um just to
differentiate the two what we would not
want to do is uh we would never
recommend because I actually run a
flight school I would never recommend
that a Flight Training Facility pays a
landing fee every time a student goes up
in the air I think it's
counterintuitive without airplanes and
Pilots you don't have an operating
airport so so Landing fees apply to
commercial passenger carrying and that
uh final final assumption is our work
has been passed off to Andy and although
we'll assist Andy in any way uh Andy
would work with the city council on the
best path moving forward so Andy if we
can go to the next
slide I I can tell you we what one of
the findings that we had I just briefly
wanted to talk about and I think uh our
goal was to as it says in the top right
to minimize the administrative burden of
the airp P there's a lot of leases here
there's a lot of hangers and what I
found was is that they they were at
first very daunting to try to go through
every lease we read every lease line by
line by line which we'll talk about but
what we what we have as a nice tool and
the city uses it as well is GIS we
brought all of your leases into a GIS
database and if you have a copy of this
document in the end it's a PDF you can
go into the elect elic version of this
click on any one of these hangers in the
document and it will bring you to a
gis-based interface and then you can you
can click on the actual lease the lease
will pull up and it tells you who it is
how long their lease is going on for
what they're paying for rent so it's a
great way to stay organized and uh it's
a great way for for Andy to just bring
his smartphone out in the field he can
anybody can click on a hanger and know
uh who's who and how how long is uh
effective and what rate they're paying
so we did this organization for you guys
we we also are going to train your GIS
Specialists and the property managers so
that as Andy updates a lease and gets a
new lease he can go into by way of
example hanger 20 on the bottom right
parcel 11 and just pull the old lease
off put the new lease in and then it's a
it's a constantly dynamically uh updated
document um in real time so we go to the
next slide Andy please I think I'm down
to about four
slides we reviewed every one of the
leases 62 total leases we reviewed just
a snapshot we put in the document that
we wrote for Andy in the airport in the
city is um you know 56% of your leases
are land leases and uh there's a lot of
land there at the airport and so the
majority of your revenue from the
airport comes from Land leases and then
the sun shades believe it or not and
then there's a couple few aeronautical
facilities the fbos which um you know
Andy will will with you know we'll we'll
talk more about that in another time but
one of the findings we had is the way
that the fbos are are paying their
leases so um that's why that number is
smaller as a whole so just a snapshot of
how the the leases are broken down Andy
if we go to the next slide
please with all 62 leases which equated
to about 12 pages each uh 6times 62 it
was a lot of reading so to be organized
what we did as you can see across the
top um all the columns these are all of
the different segments of all of your
leases uh we we read each lease we
checked the box if it had a proper
clause in there and then where there
were issues we placed it they were
issues um so it really gives Andy an
opportunity to uh really focus in on
those and um in some cases they weren't
necessarily um a an issue with uh
enforcement or compliance with the FAA
but by way of example lease number one
right across the top if you go over to
the far right non-discrimination the fa
wants to make sure that every lease has
a non-discrimination clause this
particular lease did not so when this
lease comes up for
Renewal they'll want to use the airport
re want to use a new lease that has
these elements that we're missing and by
the way we wrote part of our scope was
to write a sample lease for the airport
so that next time and by the way that
lease will require legal review but
they'll be able to go into that and just
pull that shelf lease off the table off
the shelf I should say and fill in the
names and the and the lease amounts and
then there'll be there'll be no threat
of not being in compliance with the FAA
but 25 lease elements review that's the
top all the columns 31 total findings uh
predominantly the findings were minor uh
many will be corrected with that
template lease I spoke of and many uh to
be corrected when new leases are issued
so in all all in all the review was very
well and in fact you'll see the word
ideal in some places we
borrowed the the language from those as
we constructed a new template lease
because the way those were written the
uh city council lawyer did exemplary the
fa would be very very proud of them so
so we did borrow a lot of the language
from other other leases we go to the
next slide Annie
please we uh we firmly believe that uh
if you're going to come in with a
problem you should come in with a
solution so we uh of all of those
findings we documented all of them we C
put them into categories we not only
pointed out where in the lease they
required some assistance but we also
gave them a uh who would be responsible
and um and how would they do that so how
would they repair these findings and
this is just a sample of some of the
findings that we had and um and uh We've
in the document is very detailed uh
directions on how how they can correct
some of
these and if we go to the next
slide um and then there's back to
Andy thank you very much guy I
appreciate that um um so what we what we
are are going to do we're going to keep
going through the presentation and then
please be writing down any questions or
comments that you have uh and then we'll
sort of uh go through all the research
and everything and then we'll we'll sort
of sum up and and have more uh more
discussion so at this point what I'd
like to do is I'd like to use this
opportunity to shift gears um and talk
about uh a a bit of research that was
done by Mr Kyle eager on Local Economic
considerations and this is one of the
one of the points where I wanted to that
I mentioned earlier that I wanted to
bring out that came out of public
involvement um there was there were
questions especially when we were
looking at uh other locals perhaps even
those outside of the State uh and the
question questions that were raised
about how Local Economic considerations
in the Los cruus area compare with those
with those other uh locals and if that
would potentially have an impact on a
proposed lease rate and again just to
just to
reiterate uh Grant Assurance 24 very
specifically says to look at the
circumstances existing at the particular
airport so that's what that's what we
endeavored to do here and so um what I'd
like to do is introduce Mr Kyle eager
who is a city Economist and he's going
to give a summary of his analysis in
this
case all right thank you
Andy yeah so uh greetings city council
again I'm Kyle eager I'm the new
Economist for the Los crues Economic
Development Department it's a pleasure
to speak with you
today as new Economist I've been asked
to investigate whether or not inclusion
of economic variables in the lease rate
analysis changes any of the conclusions
we might draw about what the appropriate
lease rate uh may
be so as as been previously discussed
the airport ranks relatively well in
terms of quality compared to our
peers however the airport resides in a
county that ranks uh quite low in terms
of uh per per capita
income and that's relevant because you
could have two airports with identical
facilities but if they reside in
counties with very different market
conditions very different demand
conditions then we wouldn't necessarily
expect them to uh price their
leases identically so that's why we uh
feel like we should look at things maybe
from an economics lens as well
um
so
um so the the relevant question is so
after we've after we've controlled for
the differences in Local Economic
conditions between these different uh
counties does it point to a higher or
lower uh land lease
rate and Andy if you'll get the next
slide thank you uh but just a little
justification for why this analysis is
necessary uh so this table provides both
economic and demographic variables uh
for the counties that our peer airports
reside in and what you can see is that
there's considerable
variability across counties in terms of
these VAR these
variables in other words many of our our
peer airports are very different from us
economically
and so my methodology is to take the the
airport
scores uh from the Deo and King report
and then merging those scores with
economic
data and from there by doing that I'm
able to control for differences in
Airport
Quality as well as uh
differences uh in Local Economic
conditions that might
explain the differences in uh land lease
rates between these different
airports next slide
please but I I'm using a a method called
linear
regression which allows me to control
for multiple variables
simultaneously um in a in in explaining
a County's land lease
rate um so my my main conclusion uh not
to go into deeply into the the
statistical details but after
controlling for differences in
population housing prices income per
capita uh and total County Income uh the
estimated a land lease rate is 16 cents
per square
foot um and you can kind of consider
that kind of a ballpark estimate of what
uh maybe the
uh lease rate the leases worth kind of
after controlling for the differences in
Local Economic conditions between the
counties and I'll uh turn the time back
over to
Andy excellent thank you thank you
Kyle so what I'd like to do at this
point now is um shift over we we've
talked a lot about uh the the
information that's been gathered GED the
the
analyses um uh the a couple of different
methodologies and looking at those uh uh
the quality of our our um air airport as
well as trying to apply that to a
proposed lease rate so what I want to do
is I want to go through each of these
rate options um I'm going to repeat this
table over again as we go through each
item so that we so that we know which
one we're we're working on um and we're
going to just talk about number one what
each uh adjustment would uh entail and
number two potential outcomes for each
of these U proposed rate
options so rate option uh so option
number one is simply no rate adjustment
it's uh what we would call the status
quo option um in this case the uh lease
rate remains at 10 cents as we've talked
about both in the disc discussion of the
percentile benchmarking as well as L
linear regression modeling um we do
identify that as being below market
rate as I mentioned earlier we do not
have a commercial lease rate so that is
uh a little bit out of uh out of step
with industry standard we'll talk about
we'll talk more a little more detail
about commercial uh rates in in a little
bit and you know as we talked about as
as well the comments both made by um Mr
roell and myself if if we've already
identified that we're below market rate
it kind of makes it difficult to argue
with the FAA that we are in fact
complying with this grant Insurance
because our our own information is
saying that we're below market rate so
um we're really not keeping in step with
that and it also has impacts as we look
to um uh future airport development as
well as operations and maintenance
issues
ues so that's option uh number
one uh option number two would be to
look at the duo and King study um with
the uh uh rate adjustments that would go
along with that in this case uh as Mr
well said up to 20 cents uh per square
foot per year and applying a multiplier
to come up with a commercial rate so we
would be enacting a commercial rate so
before we get into the specifics of that
I want to just talk about what why we're
uh looking at needing a commercial rate
of some
type and really uh number one it only
applies to commercial use options and
it's uh it's important then to
differentiate between commercial use and
private use and and I I'll do this sort
of by way of
illustration uh let's say Andy has uh
his own aircraft and he comes to the
airport and leases a parcel and builds a
hanger and he houses his aircraft in
that hanger and he has his tools and a
workbench and he does some little
maintenance here and there on his
aircraft and goes flying from time to
time that would be a private use that's
what we're talking about when we say a
private use at the
airport the difference is a commercial
use so let's say again and he has a uh
he has a mechanic
shop same scenario I lease a parcel I
have a hanger but in this case um I'm
using public land which the airport is
public land to generate a profit now
don't get me wrong we want that it's
very valuable for uh for the airport to
have plenty of activity and vibrancy
through commercial uh Ventures on the
Airfield um whether they be a parts shop
or a mechanic shop or whatever they
might be but the differentiation there
is between you is is utilizing uh public
land for a for a hanger just for your
personal aircraft versus using it uh
that public land to make a profit and
that's really where that differentiation
comes in now the other thing I'll say is
this is an industry standard we're
actually behind the curve on this
industry standard um the other air the
other airports that you that you saw uh
have this as their standard way of doing
business um our sister aircraft our
sister airport rather down in Santa
Teresa um had does this just as an
example now there's a couple of
different ways of of applying a
commercial lease rate uh one is a flat
lease rate the other is a percentage of
gross receipts and I just want to touch
on these very briefly um
the the flat lease rate is just it's
just easier to work with um it's easier
to use uh on on staff's side to budget
to uh project what your uh what your
revenues will be from one year to the
next uh it's also easier on the business
side so the the the business owner knows
what their what their nut is for that
particular year they they know and
that's part of of what they need to do
to to be in business um and then as we
have seen in in other circumstances um
when you work with a percentage of gross
receipts it's sort of subject to that
volatility from one year to the next you
know 2019 was great 2020 not so much
right so uh so the flat lease rate um is
one that would be much more consistent
much more um stable for us to use uh in
our in looking at lease rates so with
that in mind
um what option two would uh do is it
would look at uh raising the rate from
10 cents to up 2 20 cents um and then uh
applying a multiplier of
1.5 to come up with a commercial rate of
30 cents per square foot and that
multiplier is identified in the duo and
King study as to how they came up with
that now what does this mean what what
what outcomes we have we talked about
outcomes for option one what are
outcomes for option two well first is we
can then have a legitimate argument with
the FAA that we are working toward
becoming self- sustaining um very few
airports ever get to that point and
we're not saying that this land lease
rate will get us there but as we're
showing advancement toward that and
that's really what the FAA wants to see
um also um we're we would have uh
improved support for future investment
as well as operations and maintenance at
the airport now I want to be I want to
be even-handed here um in doing so we
would create we would go from one lease
rate to two and that has some of its own
complexity to it um when I let let me
and let me just talk about these
additional steps
so um let's say uh let's go back to my
illust ation so Andy has his hanger
private hanger and this great business
opportunity comes
along well Andy's already paid his lease
back in January and now we're in April
so now there's two things that we need
to do the first is we need to do a lease
Amendment okay to go from the private
rate to the commercial rate those
involves that involves processing and
and
administration and we need to go back
and and calculate the difference and
prate that difference and then issue
another
invoice okay for that diff for that
different rate so in addition to all the
other complexities that this person has
to go through to get the business
started we're sort of adding additional
steps to that okay and and those steps
are not just for for the business owner
but also for staff so I just want to
make sure like I said I want to be even
handed um there's some there's some
things that come out a little bit better
in our favor and and maybe not so much
uh in in other when we're talking about
this so um then moving on to option
three uh this option is to look at
adjusting the rates per the economic
development analysis that we just heard
about from Mr
eager in this case we'd be looking at
adjusting the rates from 10 cents to 16
cents we would apply that same 1.5
multiplier uh to that for the for a
commercial rate um and as he mentioned
this is looking at our Local Economic
considerations when we're when we're
looking at this different rate that's
why the rate's different in this
particular case uh the outcomes are the
same I'm not going to reiterate those
the outcomes would be uh the same
similar to option
two moving on to option
four um
this would be uh using a graduated rate
adjustment and applying that to one or
the other either the DNK study or the Ed
analysis um and I want to mention that
this actually came out again came out of
our public involvement this was a
suggestion that was made by uh one of
the one of folks in during our public
input
meeting um this is what you see see here
on your screen in this table is an
example of how we could do this this is
not necessarily the the way to do it
it's it's an example of how we could do
it and how we could over the course of
three years phase in that particular
rate adjustment um one of the things so
so we would basically have the same
outcomes uh as we we saw in options two
and three um tracking and implementing
this there's a little bit of complexity
nothing too bad um really the tool that
we have um that with in the gis tool
that we have would help help with that
um it's not a deal killer in any way um
but I just again wanted to make sure
that we're exploring all of the possible
outcomes rate
Five is taking options uh any of the
options one through four and adding what
what we would be referring to as a Sasso
agreement rate now this would be instead
of the commercial lease rate we talked
about some of the complexities of the
commercial lease rate so what what would
this look like well first of all let's
define
saso uh it's a specialized Aviation
service operation it's a business
basically that's that that works on or
is based at the airport and there's
essentially two types of business
businesses there's the airport-based
business and then there's a business
called through the fence which is
essentially a mobile business that would
come uh onto the Airfield to provide
services both businesses are critical to
the success of the airport you
absolutely want airport-based businesses
you want those businesses that have the
owners have made an investment in the
airport um you know mechanic shop in
particular is a great business to have
um
sometimes though there are services that
are needed that um require somebody to
come in and and provide those Services
um those are also important and it could
grow into a airport-based business
because there's enough of there's enough
activity going on so both are great for
an
airport um however if we use the
commercial lease rate we're kind of
making the're we're making the playing
field uh less we're we're unleveling I
guess I don't know if if that's the word
I'll make it up it's we're we're not
making we're not keeping the playing
field level so our airport-based
businesses who have made that investment
who have that um uh who who have their
hanger Etc uh they would be paying more
than potentially than the through the
fence businesses would be and so if we
have this
um uh this agreement rate which by the
way I should say um Sasso Agreements are
required anyway you you the if you're
operating a business you need to have an
agreement with the airport to operate
that business anyway so we wouldn't be
really adding any additional
steps uh like we would with the
commercial lease rate um but what we
would say is okay now we're going to
level that playing field out now we're
not going to um be adding a a a um a a
payment for for instance an e an
economic burden to one business type and
not to the other we're going to apply
those equitably so we want to make sure
that we do that and I'll show you an
example in just a minute the other thing
is it's one lease rate so we don't have
to worry about two different lease rates
how do we apply them how do we switch
from one to the other it makes it really
simple and again that is another comment
was made by that came out in the public
input
process then as I mentioned um it's it's
going to be a much more flexible and
more streamlined process than the
commercial lease rate option um uh so
this this is the saso agreement rate uh
portion of of uh option five so what
does it look
like so in the case of um in this
particular table what we would look at
is we would look at having a lease rate
one lease rate whatever it is that is
approved by city council and then we
would have a Sasso agreement rate so we
would take that difference remember that
1.5% multiplier we would take that
difference apply it on a per square foot
per year basis and divide it by 12 so
it' be a monthly invoice for doing
business at the
airport the great thing about this is if
you start your business in the middle of
your lease this just kicks in right
because it's part of your it becomes
part of your Sasso agreement if for some
reason you have to close your business
the invoicing just ends the the
agreement goes away and the invoicing
ends so it provides much more
flexibility for a business owner who
wants to get going get their business
started it's uh fewer much fewer steps
for both the business owner and staff
now in this particular case let me show
you you um an
example so uh we would so if we're
looking at a an average partiel size
let's just say of 10,000 square fet we
would
apply here the
respective um uh um lease rates we would
add this monthly rate which would be the
saso agreement rate and then we would
have a total annual revenue of
either $3,000 in this particular example
or $2,400 in this
example and we would be applying a Sasso
rate for the through the
fence uh businesses as well in this case
um we're recommending $100 staff is
recommending
$100 uh per 12 months and that would be
$1,200 now here is where we try to have
some equitability in the range
the rate is going to be
lower for the airport-based sasos than
it would be for the through the fence so
we're again we're trying to bring some
equitability to how we would apply that
rate and again this is just an
example so we've gone through options
one through five and now drum roll
please option six uh this is the staff
preferred option and really what what we
endeavored to do with this is uh take a
lot of the the best or
better uh parts of the previous options
and put them together into an option um
that we hope
address first of all the needs of the
airport and the needs of complying with
the FAA Grant insurances but also we
want to take into strong consideration
the comments that we received and how we
can uh best meet the needs of our
tenants both current and
future so in this particular case what
we're proposing is that we take the uh
rate recommended by the economic
development analysis which is 16 cents
per square foot per
year and we transition that over three
years so we use that graduated that
suggestion of the graduated
implementation uh again this is just an
example of how it could be done and we
add to it this saso agreement rate same
uh application we want to do the flat
fee okay and we want to use that 1.5%
multiplier here's what we feel are the
best outcomes for this first we have one
lease rate across the board that's
really critical for Simplicity second we
have the flexibility and the
streamlining nature of this Sasso
agreement instead of the commercial
lease
rate we also uh are working toward
compliance toward becoming s self
sustaining we we we are in compliance
with our FAA assurances which is really
as as Mr Ruel pointed out is really key
for us in moving forward and finally we
have uh the really the improved support
of uh for for our uh capital investment
as well as operations and maintenance so
uh From staff's
perspective uh this is the option that
we would submit to city council as our
preference and um again it sort of
combines um some of the best aspects of
of the um options that you've seen to
this point
so just want to do a quick summary um
our preferences options six uh as uh Mr
Rell pointed out before of course we
have to come back to city council for
any type of approval that's consistent
with all of the other departments that
have rates and fees um we're going to
honor existing land leases uh we're
going to make sure that we have uh any
findings that we have we're going to
make sure that we're in compliance uh
per that per the
recommendations um and and again the the
this last bullet here about Landing fees
again this was a question
uh from our public input about um how
Landing fees would apply and I just
wanted to reiterate those for the
purpose of a summary
here so next steps um the a a large
portion of the report produced by DNK
along with the with the findings
recommendations um have a lot to do with
the lease language um we're not going to
be discussing that at this point in time
we're going to come back to city council
with a little bit more detailed um
information and refinement of some of
that lease language um and we'd like to
bring back as soon as possible u a
recommendation a resolution for rates
and fees so that hopefully we can do
that um and so today we'll be looking
for questions comments direction from
you all uh on this and finally I just I
just want to say a huge thank you um uh
as I've mentioned a number of times um
we've had a some really quality comments
come out of our public input process
comments that we've we've turned back
into refinements of recommendations and
some cases additional
recommendations uh for
options um and and so I really want to
thank our our Airport Community and our
stakeholders for participating in that
process I want to thank uh Mr Rell and
Mr K
uh for their work and then also Mr eager
for his analysis um uh uh on the
economic condition or considerations so
um with that Madam chair I uh all of us
are ready for questions comments and
direction from city council thank
you thanks Andy I'm I'm back kenag
gashima here so uh before we get to
council comments I believe there were
one or two members of the public who
submitted some emails I was able to
recover one and maybe mayor proem Ganda
has a different one I can read the one
that I received and if it's different
than what mayor ptim has and she can
read that
one okay so this one
here it just says uh let's see from
private properties current tenant
private Aviation LLC current business
December 20 2020 December 20th 2020
please see the following
comments for comments on the lease rate
analysis and Lease agreements on the Las
crus International Airport conducted by
deoy and King dated November 2020
summary as business owners we understand
the need to analyze the revenue sources
and expenses to run a business while
complying with the many different
regulations from the county level up to
the federal level in addition we
recognize that no two airports are
exactly alike the timing of this rate
increase proposal couldn't come at the
worst time with the country gripped by
the Corona virus and many businesses
have closed and people been laid off
part of the grant Assurance 24 by the
FAA is to look at the economic factors
of the airport while trying to be
self-sustainable as possible the FAA
does not expect the airports to be fully
sustaining and recognize that factors
such as the economy and flight volume
affectability of the airport to cash
flow the majority of the funding for any
airport comes from the FAA along with
state grants nonetheless the airport
should consider if its lease rates are
proper given consideration to many
factors while Dan and I feel that a
lease analysis is a prudent step in
looking at the lease rates and other
charges at the airport the analysis has
not accurately depicted some relevant
elements within the charts and therefore
the scoring is not accurate or gone far
enough to complete a truly comprehensive
report such as looking at the economic
drivers at the
klru lusus per Grant Assurance 24s guide
guidance it is a start but it's not
complete in my opinion and at times may
be considered unintentionally I hope
misleading
the initial focus of these comments will
be with the lease rate analys and the
methodology followed with comments on
the lease contract structure as proposed
the lease rate needs to be approved
before the lease agreement templates can
have their final approval items such as
whether or not there is a separate
commercial rate from the private rate
and what the definition of commercial
ends up altering what the lease
agreement template will ultimately look
like I would like to have had these two
components to have been separated for
public
presentation and comment as they are
truly different
conversations uh number one
recommendations without additional
support will follow while the airport
may or may not raise rates the study
conducted is incomplete and at times
inaccurate and therefore the decision on
the fair and Equitable rate should be
charged is not possible with the
information that has been provided thus
far it is recommended that the proposed
rates to be put into place until there
is confidence that such rates are indeed
fair and equitable
a regardless if the study is further
completed a 110% rate increase from the
current rate of 10 cents a square foot
for a land lease for private prop
private parties and a 220% rate increase
for the proposed new commercial
structure are not justifiable increases
this study recommends a different rate
for commercial tenants versus private
tenants but does
not know analysis of the different rates
at other airports in these comments the
emphasis will be those that solely have
desire to a land lease and own or wish
to build their own hanger it is
recommended that the current structure
of the same rate regardless of the use
of the hanger be maintained a lease is a
lease the study recommends taking the
current lease from eight pages to 22
Pages it's my understanding that the
legal department has not yet viewed the
recommended changes which would have
been advisable before sending out for
review the contract as proposed is
poorly written and put together see here
in section four lease agreement for
additional comment ments and Analysis
given the poor quality of the proposed
lease that is full of redundant
conflicting and unrealistic expectations
there are two recommendations for the
lease agreement proposal number one
separate the approval discussion SL
discussion of the lease rates and the
lease agreement into two distinct topics
that require their own discussion and
approval number two form a task force
which includes employees of the city and
AA member and tenets uh at the airport I
personally volunteer to be on this task
force I years of experience working with
contracts and would be a valuable
resource a if this recommendation is not
taken then is highly recommended to
incorporate the general conditions quote
exhibit B of the lease recommendation
into the lease document itself rather
than attaching it to the lease this will
get rid of the many conflicts and
redundancies that currently exist with
the lease as proposed although the city
is the owner of the property the tenants
also invest their monies at the airport
and drives the airport and its
businesses this lease has gone from
being a fairly good lease to being
completely in the city's interest
without much consideration of the tenant
both sides need to be considered before
implementing the new lease and then she
goes on and list the um the information
that you all have just
provided so before I get to councelor
Vasquez and Momo so Andy you're telling
me that option six is is what you and
staff has proposed and I take it that
you've run it by the airport Advisory
board or not
yet uh Mr chair um and
counselors uh specifically that uh
option six we have not gone uh presented
it to the airport Advisory Board we have
gone through a very detailed discussion
of the uh lease rates themselves and
what some of those options could be um
but no we have not taken uh option six
directly to
them okay and then also um has a legal
reviewed this yet or not yet
yet uh as far as the rates go well this
this uh lease that you're wanting to you
know these these these options that you
put forth earlier in this uh woman's
comments she says that it hasn't been
cleared through legal do you know if
that if it has been since um Mr chair
members of council the specific language
of the lease has not gone through legal
yet there needs to be some refinement to
it uh staff agrees with some of the uh
comments that were made we need to we
need to do some refinement on before we
take it to Legal okay Dr Martinez has
her hand up so let me let me go to her
real quick before I go to the council Dr
yes Dr martinz yes good afternoon mayor
city council grela Martinez uh economic
development director um Mr Mayor to your
to your question about uh whether or not
option six has gone to uh the airport
Advisory Board um those uh as as Mr hum
has indicated
that after we had a number of public
input sessions including uh presentation
before the airport Advisory Board um we
in an effort to address the the concerns
that we heard that's when we um
requested for our Economist to complete
that additional step on economic
conditions um so that's part of the
reason why this this wasn't brought to
the airport Advisory Board um and and
also um
the the adjustment from the recommended
commercial rate to having the Sasso as
Mr hum spoke about that also addressed
another um concern brought to us uh from
the public uh input process um lastly on
on the escalation as as we capture here
um that would allow for us to consider a
three-year process instead of jumping
from what is currently now to um we're
talking about
2024 one important item is that the the
leases that we currently have in place
those will not be impacted until they
expired and um in in general um this
thises the airport are long term between
20 to 30 years with options to renew so
the actual full bloom impact to these
recommendations we we would not see
until years to come and so addressing
the concern of this being the worst time
to bring this this um changes in rates
um we see it more of us getting into the
right direction rather than making um
strong changes on the current ones which
that would not take place um lastly on
the lease template that would be that's
something that has not been um done yet
because we we wanted to bring this
before you for us to hear your your
questions and concerns and for us to uh
request Direction on what would be the
preferred option from City Council
and as we have done in the past uh our
legal department it's is a key element
for us to meet not only fa compliance um
elements but also the internal policies
we have for for the city so that would
be the next step after we receive
direction from you um and um I I really
appreciate uh and this effort to ensure
that we we find a balance between change
the rates uh and listening to the
concerns of stakeholders as well um so
thank you Mr Mayor sure and and uh I
just want to tell you I know about 10
years ago uh staff at city had looked at
this and had been told that our rates
were just extremely low so this is um
this is you know good information U
mayor protm was there any additional um
emails that that you have that I I like
I said I just found this one thank you
mayor I have two but it's not in
reference to the airport okay gotcha
okay then I'm going to go ahead and go
to councelor Vasquez benom and then
yourself thank you Dr Martinez thank you
Andy thank you
mayor yes thank you mayor and thank you
Andy um and Kyle uh that's yeah pretty
thorough analysis that I think goes into
determining these lease rates to be
honest uh you know it's it's a little
bit hard to grasp with six options in
terms of what the best airport lease
rate uh potentials are for our little
airport but it sounds like you did some
due diligence in surround in uh
researching surrounding uh airports or
airports of similar size and Facilities
so thank you for that um I this is I
think one particular instance where I
just you know you kind of have to rely
on the expertise of staff and and the
Consultants here because I don't think
any of us are experts at leasing
um at airport
leasers for so so so I I do I am relying
quite a bit on your expertise uh Andy
Kyle and other Consultants here um a
couple questions here is one that uh and
I may have missed it so I apologize uh
was there a survey done with all the
existing lease holders at the airport or
was there some type of communication
with all the existing lease holders
regarding these
options um Mr Mayor uh councelor VOS is
uh the the entire uh Deo and King study
was made available through the public
input process we had a a minimum 30-day
actually I think we went 45 day uh
public review process um as uh Dr
Martinez pointed out some of the
fine-tuning of the options that were
were presented today were as a result of
those that public input and so um that
that's why we wanted to come to you
today and and sort of give you the full
scope of the study the input and then uh
the options that we that were developed
out of those thank you Andy and and and
from that public input what what would
you say was the participation percentage
or rate uh from existing lease
holders
um oh gosh that's a that's an
interesting question um I know that we
received about a dozen written comments
and then we had
um uh a few people I'd say um probably
about a dozen people attended the zoom
public input meeting and then we
had
um uh probably another 10 or so
different individuals who were
participated in the uh airport Advisory
board meeting um so it was um it was
there were some good comments and then
of course people shared verbal comments
which are are certainly valuable but you
know a little more difficult to enter
into the public record from from that
standpoint but um um we had some good
and varied public input and and as I
mentioned um I think the what was borne
out to me when we were reviewing this
and putting this presentation together
is the quality of of a lot of the
comments that we
had thank you Andy I appreciate that um
so was that what you say that's about
half maybe a little bit just around half
of the existing lease holders um take a
guess or a little bit less
maybe well we have a really
big um let's see here we have a really
big email distribution list so
um out of out of the out of the lease
holders that the city has um I'd say
maybe a quarter to a third not not half
but okay okay a
good that's helpful thank you that that
just helps me kind of frame um the
public participation process a little
bit I think that's pretty pretty good um
so in terms of the economic impact part
of this uh Dr Martinez maybe um uh there
was some research done here around any
any negative potential impact uh
especially as I think um Mr privet uh or
the privet folks mentioned uh during an
economic downturn does this have the
potential to decrease business
um do we lose is there a potential to
lose some leases are there more
competitive places like in the county I
don't know if the Santa Teresa airport
you know would be a comp Ser be
competition for us order raise rates was
there any type of analysis done on on
kind of any negative economic impacts to
the airport both
this Mr Mayor uh council member Vasquez
this is G Martinez for the record um
councelor Vasquez the economic condition
analysis uh
evaluated as as our economists mentioned
evaluated the general economic
conditions um from the perspective of
demand and Supply to making to make sure
that the the lower um per capita income
and the the lower um so the the economic
characteristics of of New Mexico and
specifically southern New Mexico
um were adjusted for from from a
thriving economy and and that was one of
the bigger items that were brought from
the public input process that that had
not be considering the DWI King report
um so although we did not evaluate it
from a negative uh impact uh we did
evaluate it the the aim at the economic
condition was to measure the economic
conditions in terms of supply and demand
um as as you all know we have been
working really hard at the airport for
the last three years um to bring it
to um to where it needs to be for us to
then bring it to the next level and and
use it as a business Hub um and and in
in a business hub you would also
consider the lease rate as part of the
expenses of the business right so it's
part of the consideration for a a
decision there um as we heard from our
Consultants our airport uh really stands
out in terms of quality of the
facilities and more so with the great
improvements that we've put in um and
and the millions of dollars that have
gone into um making it even a better
place with Safety and Security and so we
believe that with with the lake work
that we have done up to this point um
and and um and the vision we have for
the airport and the industrial park and
and the and the other elements we have
in the city we are ready to market the
airport um to position it in in a
competitive place so um we we consider
the the the ultimate goal to have to
make it a business Hub and uh I
understand this may be a concern from
current tenants but we also understand
that um this would bring us to a better
place in terms of meeting compliance and
I just want to um uh add a little piece
that this rates would not in any way um
make us um profitable uh in the longterm
it would just be an effort to uh be in
compliance with FAA and and other uh
goals um
so that that's the the the the big
answer to your question councelor
Vasquez thank you Dr Martinez I really
appreciate that and I think um the
considerations in particular for meeting
um the FAA requirements and doing the
work that needs to be done there um to
keep us in compliance in future years is
really important um so uh that that
factors in pretty pretty large for me um
I know there's some things that the FAA
funds but there's a lot of matx
requirements and some things that the
FAA doesn't fund that really um you know
in terms of the maintenance projects
that we really need and so uh that's
really important um so the other
question I have is
around um oh I guess the additional
Revenue um from year one to year three
is there is there a projection of how
much additional Revenue the airport
would have and does that go into the
general fund for our airport account and
how would we envision using those
additional revenues in
particular Mr Mayor councelor Vasquez
this is Andy Hume uh I'd like to respond
to that um one of the items and Mr roell
mentioned this in his presentation one
of the items that we're going to get out
of this is an airport
proforma um and so we'll be able to be
we'll be able to project those right now
um we don't really have that ability but
having that proforma now we'll be able
to project not just revenues but also
expenditures and see how we can balance
those out to get towards self- sustain
uh self being self- sustaining so I I
I'll have that answer for you uh in in
more concrete terms uh once we get that
and and are able to to look at that data
a little more carefully uh the other
thing to consider too is um looking at
at at growth not just of the rates but
also uh as Dr Martinez pointed out
attracting more businesses attracting
more uh people who want to house their
aircraft here and just having more land
to lease out as Parcels so so it's it's
really kind of both of those that that
that go into each other uh that that
that sort of play off of each other uh
as far as the funding goes um with this
current budget cycle the uh airport is
an Enterprise fund now
and so um we're better situated to
handle uh to to deal with the revenue
and expenses and and all of that
interplay uh I'm I'm learning on the Fly
pun intended I guess uh learning uh how
to do that um as we as we go along um uh
all funding that is generated all
revenue that is generated with the
airport uh the FAA requires to be
reinvested into the airport so uh that
money doesn't go to uh fund anything
else any roads or anything else it has
to be uh uh funded back which also is a
is a it's good to have um uh have us set
up as a an Enterprise fund to from an
auditing perspective so we can track
those revenues and expenditures
accurately so I hope that answers your
question if if not um let me know if
there's anything I can clarify
please sure no thank you Andy I
appreciate the work that's ongoing on
this um I'm I didn't know the airport
was an Enterprise fund now um I may have
missed that uh is that something done
administratively or that something that
the council this voted on um Mr Mayor
councelor Vasquez uh that was approved
by city council as part of the approval
of the FY uh 21 budget so uh that was
approved back on for July 1 it began on
July one of this fiscal year okay great
um I may have missed that so but thank
you that's that's EXC I mean that I
think that really leads leads us to that
path of sustainability and you can't do
it without without raising revenue and
and running the airport like a business
right and so um that's that's good to
hear that we have that mentality um
given where we were with the airport for
some some time um letting letting so
many of our facilities there um
volunteers repair um so the other thing
I think about is just you know when we
do when we do rate changes for like
utilities right we we really analyze
what customers can afford and I think uh
Dr Garcia also introduced a tiered um
introduction of rate increases for
several of our utility services that
were appreciated um but also recognizing
that you know if you're in the city and
you need your trash picked up or you
need water coming out of your TAP you're
not necessarily going to be able to go
to a competitor right you have to at
least for water and other services um so
you know folks are with those rates in
this instance I guess my my only concern
is that folks can take their business to
Santa Teresa or other airports and
they're not you know that that they're
not necessarily um have have to stay at
the airport and so that's just one one
concern in particular with with the
donana uh County Regional Airport in
Santa Teresa um uh can you just remind
me of that analysis that was done in
terms of comparing our our rates to
theirs and and making sure that we're
not not potentially setting ourselves up
to lose customers um to our neighbors
down
south um Mr Mayor councelor Vasquez let
me see if I can get back to
that that's you're do why you're doing
that Andy I I'll say this counselor
that's a you bring up a a nice point but
I have to tell you that 20 minutes to
our airport versus 45 to Santa Teresa
there's no I mean if we could if we had
the the ability to afford to pay the
subsidies say Southwest would need or
American Airlines man I love to fly out
of Las cruus I mean than to have to even
even if they were to go to San tresa I
mean uh I would still rather go here you
know we could get them here as opposed
to that 45 minutes uh and then sometimes
it gets even longer depends on the
traffic uh but anyways I'll let Andy
take over I
agree uh thank you very much Mr chair
councelor Vasquez um uh the average as
as based on the information in the duo
and King study uh the average I if I
hopefully everyone can see my slide here
um the average is about 20 cents per uh
per square foot per year um so uh we if
we were to raise and I believe they just
lowered their overall rate uh I think
it's around 15 cents a square foot now
so so we would be very competitive with
them
um the what I what I would like to say
is um in and and I I bill is Bill
province is my friend and and I and I
love their airport down there some of
the the the the characteristics of our
airport with three runways and and some
of those other things um sort of um as
as that same slide shows when you're
looking at uh the the the amenities that
we have and the things I mean it's a
very it keeps us very competitive with
with great amenities and and making sure
we keep our rates in a in a good market
area thank you Andy that's helpful
that's really helpful and that makes me
feel a lot better knowing we um we're
just at about the same rate um or would
be if if we approved this uh rate
increase um and lastly Andy is um were
there any considerations to increase of
fines um related to VI ations of of
airport policy in particular you
mentioned some of that private property
that um I know a lot a lot of it has
been cleaned up folks that have had some
uh caused some damage to I think some of
the aprons around the runways and and
even including you know some oil spills
and that kind of stuff that we don't
really don't want either you know
flowing into our royos or or seing into
um or degrading some of our
infrastructure there um any
considerations for also increasing fines
for violators um on some of those uh
violations uh Mr Mayor councelor Vasquez
uh when it comes to violations like that
uh really city ordinance sets those
types of violation uh those fines and
such um we are looking though at all
rates and fees so we're not just looking
at the lease rate we're looking at
Landing fees uh tie down fees sun shade
fees so it's while while specific fines
are really handled under other aspects
of the ordinance um we are looking at
all rates and fees which um I can't
remember if I mentioned this or not uh
have not been looked at since 2003 so um
so we're going to be we're going to be
bringing back an
entire uh menu of those rates and fees
uh in a future resolution so hopefully
that answers your question about about
fines and violations okay no it does it
does it sounds like it's a separate
conversation okay and then we need the
organ mountains feed in there for out of
town visitors because those mountains I
can imagine I've flown out of the
airport a couple times one time when it
was really foggy and uh it's probably
one of the best views in my life I'll
never forget it so um uh you know we we
got to make people pay for that no I'm
just kid that's why I use this picture
behind this this is taken right outside
the airport I love it me too uh well
those are all my questions thank you so
much uh Andy Kyle Dr Martinez and our
wonderful Consultants I really
appreciate it uh I am leaning towards
staff's recommendation again like I said
having asked these questions and not
being a export lease airport uh
export uh airport lease expert I really
relying on on on your expertise in our
Consultants as well to make the the
right call on it so thank you Andy thank
you ma'am okay well we'll turn to the
city's expert on airports councelor
bomo yes I'm thank you for recognizing
that Mr Mayor um couldn't agree more um
no absolutely not I hate flying I hate
airports um couldn't be more the
opposite not this airport I love this
airport of course um yes I have a couple
questions um going back to the um public
comment Mr Mayor does it is that person
a customer of the airport I believe they
said they were yes okay I I didn't catch
that okay um it says uh privet
Properties LLC current tenant private
Aviation LLC current business okay may I
add may I add Mr uh mayor for
Mr uh the privets are actually Mr privet
Dan was is a member of the aab and was
previously the chair and um they're also
members of uh lusus aviators and um and
they do a lot of dynamic uh type of
activities at the
airport um and and uh they're also very
closely involved with the
EAA which is an organization that works
with youth uh to get them into Aviation
and um so they uh definitely you know
they definitely stakeholders they're
definitely uh tenants and um and yes so
just yeah thank you thanks yeah thank
you Council fles I appreciate that uh
context um you know I I personally uh
you know this present presentation to me
was incredibly comprehensive and it
seems like you've definitely done your
homework and due diligence I mean you
had six options for us I think that's um
pretty
incredible um Andy how about do you know
how many leases currently exist out of
the
airport yeah Mr Mayor uh councelor benom
there's 62 leases in total okay 62 and
then so just for help me understand so
if do no commercial is there no
commercial rate because there are no
commercial leases or we do have
commercial leases but they just simply
pay the private
rate Mr Mayor councelor benom uh the
latter uh we do have a number of
businesses at the airport um uh uh
currently yes okay have you heard um any
feedback back from any of these leas
holders um in the last year with the
pandemic if folks are um you know
struggling to to cover their lease or or
any of those kinds of
things um Mr Mayor councelor bomo uh yes
there have been some comments uh to me
um I know that the um the our our A&P
shop the mechanic shop has seen a a big
fall off
business um there's a part store that
has um has had some difficulties in in
in sort of getting established and and
growing um and our fbos our our fixed
based operators have seen uh some
downturn in um fuel sales and just
overall activity so unfortunately yes
we've we've been we've been affected by
the by the pandemic okay thanks Andy for
that um yeah that's super unfortunate I
mean there is no Corner crevice that
this pandemic hasn't affected right so
um that's super real um I'm curious and
year one when would would that take into
effect this upcoming fiscal
year um Mr Mayor councelor bomo let me
get to that let me get to that slide
here
um yeah here it is so year one uh Mr
Mayor councelor B comoo this is Andy
year one would be the year that um
Council instructs us what year one is
and yeah so that so the year one could
be July 1 coming up fiscal year um it
could be year one based on some
Benchmark that we that would be reached
as far as whether we want to look at the
pandemic issues or whatever year one
year one is just uh a a a it's a
arbitrary title and it would be set by
city council when you approve the the
rates and fees schedule I see okay um
helpful to
understand do do I am I the that
hear you're echoing I am
eing you only need TOS sure want to
um there we go I lost my train of
thought um
I guess I did in terms of year one two
three I feel like well did you I'm I'm
curious about the three year split as
opposed to two years for example uh 10
to 13 and then 13 to 16 right like I
don't
necessarily um and I mean it could be
because of the pandemic but I'm curious
about your decision to put it into three
years Mr Mayor councelor Beno um this is
is strictly an an example of how it
could be tiered uh again the the
decision about when year one occurs and
what change from year one to year two is
uh that would all be something that
would be decided by Council um if a
preference is to go to two years or
maybe four years or whatever that is um
this is simply an example of how it how
that tier could look okay I appreciate
that I mean I think you know for me
given that as a city we have very
aspirational goals for the airport um
that I think have a lot of potential for
outcomes in our Economic Development
especially coming out of when we
consider what all the recovery will look
like um I think their airport had so
much potential um you know given that it
is an Enterprise fund you know last year
we had a really tough choice with our
other Enterprise fund with the utilities
in terms of the rate increase um knowing
that we're in the middle of a pandemic
where people are definitely struggling
to pay um bills and at the same time
there is a growing city with growing
needs and that you know particular
decision I think had to be made in that
moment um and similarly with you know
with the airport I mean you know in the
options you presented I don't even think
option one is really an option given the
difficulties you have meeting FAA
guidelines right so um um I think as we
consider what this airport means what we
want it to be
um you know you know I hate to push back
against some of that public comment but
I think it's important that um you know
we recognize that the need for something
like this particularly because it is an
entprise fund that is self- sustaining
right that isn't um making additional
profit for whatever else that it is
really about self- sustaining business
model and so um I support this you know
I think if we decided as a council that
year one would start not this year in 20
what are we 2020 one but in
2022 um and that essentially is a
four-year transition if we think about
it unless we wanted like I said earlier
to do from 10 cents to 13 cents and then
13 to 16 um I could really do either but
at the end of the day if we decided not
to implement this this year and go next
year like I said at that point that's a
four-year transition and so I really
appreciate staff giving every single
option available and then letting us
know what your recommendation is um I
definitely support this and I think that
it's it's an important step in in the
direction that we want to take the
airport thank
you okay thank you Council mayor Pam
thanks mayor um thank you Andy um really
appreciate um all the work work that you
put in um I know and have have
confidence and trust yandi that anything
that you put together is going to have
you know the due diligence um by not
only you but staff and um the
Consultants um so I I appreciate that I
want to I want to say that I had some
questions with the
um um with the with the PowerPoint and
certain slides you know brought sort of
questions so there was a lot of
information given to us I agree with
councelor vquez that I'm certainly not
the expert and to the point of of Miss
um um privet um I'd hope that um people
there who do have expertise and others
feel that they could come right and and
at any public comment and give that
information both
um verbally but also in writing um but
she was pretty um critical of this
analysis and so I want to I have it in
front of me I don't know mayor you read
that um but I have it and I've read it a
few times and there's a lot of very
critical remarks and I just want to go
through some of those and make some
recommendations based on that but what I
would like to do initially is go back to
page 23 where Kyle um our econ um
Economist sort of of did the the his
inter you know his study if you will and
there were some questions I had related
to and I don't want to go deeply in the
but I was concerned about the doniana
county Jetport is that Santa Teresa and
it's
yes uh yes U Mr Mayor uh mayor protm uh
the D County report is something that I
saw yeah okay
um and um yeah the the comments that
were made about you know sort of the the
elements or the metrics that you used um
I I wanted to dig a little deeper and
ask things like yeah what about the
pandemic and what about the
GRT um specific to this industry have we
seen a an increase or decrease and and
and was that look and and why wasn't
that a factor playing into um the the
the metrics that Kyle used I think I
think especially considering the
pandemic and what that might look like
and I know we're new to all of this so I
want to I want to make sure that we're
accurately um portraying right what the
issues
are um Mr Mayor uh mayor protm uh this
is Andy I'm G to I'm going to make a
couple of quick comments on that and
then I I'd like to uh have either Mr
eager or Dr Martinez uh provide a little
bit of additional um perspective because
statistics aren't really my thing but I
want to just make a couple comments uh
the first is that the um the
characteristics that were used by Mr
eager are uh you might say they're tried
and true they're they are um statistics
that we get year-over-year and they
represent a very solid basis for doing
this type of analysis um you know
unfortunately or fortunately or
unfortunately depending on how you look
at it um P this a pandemic of this type
uh the last one was 100 years ago and so
um to use uh that specifically as a a
measuring a measuring tool in the
analysis uh probably would not be as
accurate as some of these other items
are uh that having been said we have
been uh tracking fuel sales for instance
as a as a proxy for some of the impact
that we've had um we don't have any
specific data from as I mentioned some
of the other businesses uh that have
been having some difficulties um but we
have noticed some decrease in fuel sales
overall so um you know those that could
be looked at that could be integrated
into this uh and as councelor Beno said
um it could be used to maybe put off uh
whatever year one is if if that's the
choice of of council um that that
information could be used to influence
that so those are just a couple of my
comments about the statistical analysis
the economics and and I I I welcome any
other input from Dr
Martinez yeah yeah Dr Martinez you have
your hand up thank you mayor uh mayor PM
um thank you for those comments mayor PM
I want to make sure that that we clarify
that um the
comments um that were given us public
input were were provided before we
included the economic condition part of
the analysis and that was a big part to
addressing as as Mr hum
uh said we wanted to make sure that we
were not only collecting public input
but we were
adjusting uh to make sure that we listen
to those comments and so the the the
economic conditions uh analysis was part
of
the proactive approach if if you will
from staff to address those concerns uh
in terms of uh why now and why by that
amount um again as as I said before um
these changes would not apply to current
leases unless they were up for Renewal
which we don't have many of those and
those new rates uh in general would
apply for new agreements um and and
that's that's a that's a big uh
differentiation because in the public
input process um some of the concerns
Express um the changes
um under the consideration that they
would apply to current leases which is
not the case um and and that's important
another um item that we want to make
sure that we that I that I cover is the
number of options that we brought to you
um captures not only did do deligance
but but also an effort from from all of
us to give you all the complete picture
for you to consider uh in the decision
making um and that that was very
important for us uh to balance the the
comprehensive uh
presentation um and and an effort to be
very transparent for for decisionmaking
purposes so thank you mayor Dr Martinez
aren't a lot of these leases 10 year and
20 year leases
and and um are there any that are even
coming
up I I will defer that question on any
um listes that are for Renewal uh to Mr
hum um but in general one of the
elements that we have make sure that we
have in place is that because um
investment at the airport um are usually
larger investment um we want to remain
competitive by allowing those long
longer term leases versus other Assets
in the community that we have shorter um
so that that would be 20 years 30 years
to ensure that um banking institutions
do um feel comfortable with those larger
Investments um and for the least numbers
um Mr
hum you know what Dr Martinez looks like
oh I guess they put their hand down the
consultant
had their hand up but oh well I'll just
go back to air proam so she can finish I
just wanted to ask you that about those
leases aort I I appreciate that mayor it
was similar I had similar
questions so we talked about or Andy I
think explained there's 62 leases total
and like what are we talking about in
total like square footage what's the
average square footage in or and and
then what's the average of a lease what
are we talking about thousands of
dollars what what is
it um Mr Mayor mayor protm um let me see
if I can pull this information up
quickly well he's doing that I think
they're probably about2 or three
thousand a
year um gen actually Mr chair U and
mayor proem yes that is okay um my
computer is not liking me at this moment
um what what I would what I'll say this
say is um
about um uh about onethird of the leases
will be up for Renewal every 10 years so
that's that's sort of the spacing so uh
out of out of 60 leases about a third
every 10 years would be up for Renewal
and that's just based on um how they
have been approved over time when
they've been approved over time um as
far as uh square footage and the dollar
amount um Mr Mayor um mayor proem I do
have those numbers but I I would need to
get into my spreadsheet to get you those
numbers uh for sure so if that's okay
I'd like to route that response back
through the city manager and get you
some more accurate info uh if that's
appropriate sure Andy thank you I mean
you don't have them so I can't like
pressure you in getting them you know so
um yeah I I guess I I guess when I hear
that and I hear Dr Dr
Martinez's um um comments about the
banking institution in a 20 to 30y year
lease that doesn't make sense to me like
you would do that when you have like 70
or 80
100,000 and maybe that you mean that
because of the worth of the the airplane
right plus the lease right and so I if
you're if you're talking about anywhere
from $2,000 to $3,000 I guess I don't
understand is that an industry standard
the 20 or 30y year
lease um and and then you spoke of I
thought in this whole presentation about
making sure we were um following FFA
rules and regulations and that's part of
why we're doing what we're doing
right yes Mr chair mayor protm so
there's a there's a couple of things to
uh to unpack in that in that question
the first is the uh 20 to 30e lease is
an industry standard and it's based on
building a hanger so uh you know a
hanger investment is very much like a
house investment so if you go to to um
borrow money to build a hanger you're
you're borrowing $150,000 $200,000 to
build that hanger so the the lender is
going to want to see a long-term lease
because they're going to give a
long-term loan based on that long-term
lease so that's sort of where that
industry standard comes in and where it
would be applied from the standpoint of
of the the the length of the lease
compared to the uh dollar amount of the
um the loan for the hanger um so with so
now as far as the the dollar amount for
the the lease itself the the lease of
the parcel um that's sort of what this
conversation is about um in in trying to
find what that what that market rate is
uh for that so uh in the case of a
10,000 square foot parcel which a lot of
a lot of our Parcels are 10,000 squ feet
um what we'd be looking at is um a 2
a year lease for that 10,000 foot parcel
or $1,600 in the case of a 16 Cent lease
right now with a 10 cent per square foot
per year lease it's a it's $1,000 and so
that just sort of uh shows where where
we would be in that uh comparing our
current rate with what a market rate uh
you know more market rate would look
like Andy thank you I iate that so I'm
I'm owner and pilot a and I come I have
a I have a
plane Cassandra Ganda and I want to
lease space and
you so I come to you a and say and you
say no there's no
hangers and you need to build one right
you meaning the Las Cruses
airport it belongs to Las Cruses airport
to us or does it belong to Pilot
Cassandra
Gamba excellent okay I I see where
you're coming on your question excellent
question Mr Mayor um mayor protm um at
this point in time uh the city Only owns
a couple of hangers out there where the
city has not um taken the step um has
not considered the step at this point of
becoming a hanger owners and operators
so we lease the land and it's up to the
to the less to the private owner to make
that investment in the
hanger good okay I'm I'm understanding
that I think all that is really
important to us understand and to and to
know right moving moving forward so like
I said I have the M pivot um comments
and there's so much in there to unpack
and I hate that she has been so critical
but she has um and and she felt like
there's a lot of expertise in there and
the Consultants didn't go and have these
conversations with them to utilize the
you know know what they know about
because they're experts and fly in and
out of there have businesses in and out
of there and I think she she feels um
that that many should have been asked in
terms of their
expertise um and so one of those
questions or comments was about the
concerns of the and um and who owns it
and why are we doing what we're doing um
and I guess what I'm I'm hearing from
you all is that FAA has a standard we
need to follow it in some respects we're
not we're pretty low in the what and
what our our lease amount is you're not
going to like make a profit by
increasing 10 cents um more or 6 cents
more um
and Andy I think for my benefit I would
like to know which leases are up when
they'll be up right I think those are
all important and my recommendation
would be is it I I feel very strongly it
should have gone to the airport board um
so that we hear from them um
specifically right because there's
people on there that is that own planes
and have expertise and and and that kind
of thing
um and then in terms of the commercial
um oh okay let me back up just a
little um this the we have the
Consultants um plan and then we have
ours and for others did you talk to the
consultant about the the reasoning and
the amounts and why we're doing that and
did they have feedback to us about what
that was going to look
like Mr Mayor mayor protm yes we did
Circle back with the consultant with the
information that um Mr eager put
together and did make sure both not not
just on the some of the economic
characteristics but also uh when we were
looking at the idea of the Sasso
agreement rate versus commercial land
lease rate we also discussed that with
them at length yes
yeah okay thank you Andy and currently
Andy um do we have enough Parts um um
enough of
these Parcels to rent out and do we need
more and how many more is my one
question Mr Mayor mayor protm um we
absolutely need more parcels and we're
going through a uh uh a development
process right now to identify those
parcels and get them uh surveyed and and
get moving on infrastructure expansion
so we can lease them
out Andy and I think I heard in your
presentation that these these Parcels at
hangers should be used accordingly right
with airplanes and right and if they're
not that's against the faaa regulations
yes uh Mr Mayor mayor protm that is
correct we just recently upgraded our
updated our hanger guidelines and they
adhere 100% to the FAA regulations about
their usage um their their the primary
usage for hangers is for aeronautical
purposes first and foremost so um we
will be engaging in um a new program of
hanger inspections along with our fire
department um so that we can make sure
that people are adhering to both the FAA
regulations as well as
safety so Andy I understand then that
there are some Lees that are not using
it at in that way and there there will
be a process right in terms of what that
might look like cleaning it up you can
only use it for this or the educating
right this whole educating um the the
the the
leases that they need to be used in a
certain way as per accordance of the
fbas standards and laws and all that
correct Mr Mayor mayor protm that is
correct yes okay all right yeah again um
it's a lot of
information um to throw out at someone
that isn't um an expert I appreciate
everything that you've done Andy again
and staff um there's a few things um and
I I've recommended what they are um but
I I think if I knew right when these
these leases are up how many would and
kind of what has been the effect of Co I
I think we can come up with a reasonable
compromise in terms of when that year
one will be year two year three um so
thank you Andy and thank you
mayor I'm sorry M may can I just make a
couple of follow-up comments to the
mayor PMS sure of course um and actually
this sort of addresses um I believe
comments that councelor Beno made as
well so one of the reasons why we're
bringing this to you is to sort of we're
at a point where having some direction
we have as you mentioned we have six
different options available to us um
getting some direction from city council
is very critical for us at this point so
um if there is some consensus some some
ideas on you know which options uh you
may be leaning toward uh we intend
actually to take those back to the
airport Advisory Board and share with
them what y all's input has been as well
so we want to we want to get that
feedback loop going back in um as Dr
Martinez mentioned these options
represent the refinement in the process
through the public involvement and so
now that we've had Council involvement
we want to go back and make sure that we
have we're we're making sure all the
pieces fit together in that regard uh
this second thing that I want to mention
is and this sort of goes to back to um
what uh Mr Ruel said from De and King
about the the nature of uh what our
airports are so we have a certification
called part 139 and what that means is
that we have the ability to uh handle
passenger air service what is required
of us is to have a higher standard than
airports that are not part 139 we go
through an annual inspection process and
stuff so um not only do we have uh
characteristics of our airport that um
kind of set us apart in some ways but
that part 139 certification is a real
gem that we have in our in our in our
Crown if you will for our airport so I
wanted to bring out those couple of
points to to sort of number one respond
to an item and number two provide a
little bit of of a additional background
to uh you know further consideration of
of these U potential rate
adjustments thank you Andy I appre I
really appreciate that um again I'm I'm
looking at you all as experts and also
public comment those folks that have
expertise as concerned you know I again
I would recommend that we go through
those comments and and really have um
good good answers um that I think that
requires some due diligence um I'm not
sure if Miss privet had given this
information and you were already privet
to what she would be saying um but I
think it'd be important to move through
each of her comments and criticisms um
with um some solutions and strategies
moving forward and if if if if that
meant the six options then so be it and
and we can move forward again and just
lastly I do believe we should establish
a commercial rate and I can appreciate
the commercial rate Andy that you put
together and what you the economic
development department is is um is
recommending I hope that's helpful um
without seeing in front of me the rest
of the options sort of all in one
um
and here we
go okay is that at mayor Port yeah yeah
thank you uh before I get to councelor
Florida Andy let me just ask you
something okay so kind of piggy backing
off what mayor proam said so let's say
they want to build it does the city when
the the the plot or the lot that they're
thinking of using does it already have
some utilities
there U Mr Mayor members of council uh
that is our goal is to have Utilities in
place so right now um a lot of the are
that are are more suited for development
they'll have um Water and Electric
perhaps but maybe not gas and and uh
sewer is definitely not an air not a
utility that we have in a lot of places
right now we're looking at extending
that the other key piece of
infrastructure are the taxi lanss so uh
much like you know if if you're at your
house and you want to go to the store
you have your residential Road you drive
on then you go to a you know a little
bit bigger Road and then you get on to
the the to the main artery um that is
how we develop the the the the the
airplane roadways if you will at the
airport so we have the runways those are
Our arteries we have the taxiways which
are the smaller streets but then getting
getting those taxi Lanes so that people
can connect their uh their hanger
directly um that's another piece of the
infrastructure that we're working on as
well so it's not just you utilities it
includes the pavement as well yeah but
what I was trying to get at is it has
some so it has water and electricity it
it has some and we're looking at
expanding what what we have to make sure
that we're we provide a full service to
our hanger owners yeah okay I mean
that's that's that's not bad considering
the price so okay so it looks like
counselor Flores uh looks like you're
going to have to get your Lamborghini
out of your airline air airport hanger
there counselor
Lamborghini I have a roll sitting there
andy takes care of it for me okay well
there you go yeah well for um thank you
Mr Mayor and uh thank you to all my
colleagues for their comments I thought
they were really
insightful and of course thank you uh Mr
Hume and G uh guy Ruel uh for the
presentation um I want to uh just go
back on how long this has been around
and even though and your question was
very good Mr Mayor about uh the um the
aabs uh view on this or whether they
have voted on it I and based on the
meetings that I I I've attended all
meetings except for the one in August
um it isn't a question so much of having
voted on it but they have had input all
along so this is the timeline um in
March 2020 there was was a project
kickoff uh from November 10 to December
uh
21 uh there was public comment and as
Andy noted earlier uh there was a 30-day
U public comment input and it was
extended um there was um in November on
November 19 it was actually presented to
the
aab um we had a zoom meeting um on
December 10 that was open
to anyone who is interested in attending
and that was very well attended um and
now today January 11
2021 um Andy the aab excuse me the um
airport administrator is presenting to
council with all the um everything that
we need to to know uh from um from uh
the uh excuse me the
uh consultants and U Economic
Development um and I also want to make a
comment Mr Mayor as to
um as to um why you know people are
saying why now and and I agree and I
have to say that um I I know Tanya
privet uh I mean I've met her and she's
actually quite a highly intelligent
woman very dedicated to the airport as
is Dan privet her husband
um they care a lot about the
airport and when I first uh became um gu
it was January or whenever it was of
2018 um the the uh frankly the feeling
at the meetings uh was that things were
not quite in control uh Dr Martinez um
was the deputy um Economic Development
uh director and she um
she uh attended those meetings um and
and followed very carefully and the
aab always had very very good questions
for her tough questions and she was
always able to answer them um it was
around that time that we found out that
uh the
FAA uh or our airport was I think very
close no not I don't think I know we
were very close to being decertified we
have that 139 certification commercial
certification and so we came very close
to uh and then some changes were made
and um and in came um Andy Hume and um
and I agree with h mayor potim ganda's
assessment that when Andy does something
he does it well and um and he has and I
have to say that he's worked very very
well with the board uh the previous
administrator um I I never met her I
think it was a woman I never met her
never heard yay or nay nothing anything
from her um Andy has been very proactive
and I have to say I participated in all
of the meetings um on this issue and um
and there really there was a lot of
input and and I received emails from
different people about you know I'm a
teacher you know I'm a flight instructor
am I going to be charged um and
different questions and some of those I
think I forwarded to Andy or to you Mr
Mayor uh or maybe I can't remember but
the point though is that they were all
resolved they were all all the all the
fears were allayed um and as has been
pointed out um these fees haven't gone
up in 18 years and relative to the
comparisons and I and and at these
meetings I have to tell you um there
were people there really really tore
this apart they really tore away the
study uh that that guy U presented um
they felt that the um it wasn't Apples
to Apples Apples to Apples comparisons
to other airports but they very
carefully explained why you know an
airport in Vermont or an airport in
Colorado had a lot in common with um our
airport um and so I have to say that um
I think that Miss previt because she and
Dan along with other people Brett um
can't think of Brett's last name right
now but they're they do so much for the
airport and with all due respect to
previous administrations or previous uh
administrators um had it not been for
the
aab I'm afraid that the airport would
really have gotten uh gone down um that
old Rabbit Hole um but uh so and and
they're very they're very protective of
the airport and and but I have to share
and the reason I'm what I'm leading up
to is that although it hasn't gone to
them for a quote vote unquote uh they're
very supportive of these changes and
they they did have a lot of questions
and there were a lot of questions at the
input meetings and I imagine Mr Hume
received even more you know the the
written stuff the open input that lasted
about 40 45 days so um
without with all that said um and and
being at these meetings and
participating I do have to say that
today's presentation was uh really uh
wonderful and um and Andy did say that
um he did say that there that there was
a that the
um that the the airport um now has uh I
had it written down I wanted to quote Mr
Andy H um but you know he said something
about um the airport being uh that
there's a real gem in that crown or
whatever but I have to say that the
efforts of Economic Development
Department as it is today under Dr
Martinez and with Andy as the
administrator uh we can rest assured
that uh this is the best uh practice
that they that can be implemented to
assure that we move forward I do have to
say to um uh Miss
privet that U her her letter or the
email that you read Mr Mayor and I
believe it was the same
email uh um mayor proem Gan that I
referred to um had um you know had an
edge to it but I have knowing her I know
it was coming from a good place I know
it was coming from really caring about
the airport and just feeling as a lot of
us feel with covid that we just don't
need another blow and um and those extra
cents those extra pennies that um that
it goes up you know from 10 cents to
what possibly 16 cents depending on
which option we vote on eventually uh
doesn't seem like a lot it does it is a
lot for a business person um so I I just
want to share those comments and those
thoughts um just
to to let people know that a lot of
thought has gone into this and that an
Andy has really um you know I I really I
mean I was holding my breath I I think
we we came within a hair where we came
within with the skin of our teeth of uh
losing
certification and I think we have to do
with that I have to say that we have to
do everything to show the FAA that we
are doing everything we can to assure
that we can be sustainable because
that's really the end goal on this um
and we do need a lot of upgrading and a
lot of a lot of upgrading and a lot of
that has already happened and I think
Andy uh has reported also that um all of
the uh all of the failures of two years
ago two and a half whatever it is now
two and a half years uh have all been
corrected so um to me is that's a
testament to his um ability to uh be
able to assess the situation and take
the bull by its horns and working
closely with Dr Martinez and her um her
uh Economist so I think that's all I
have to say Mr Mayor thank you very
much thank you uh councelor so if if
Council was to start leaning towards
option six and then subsequently be put
on an agenda in the future for approval
you don't feel it needs to go back to
the uh the airport board oh I
did uh Mr Mayor no I didn't mean to
imply that I think that um as a matter
of uh protocol courtesy protocol
um we that it should go back to to the
board for for their um just for their
awareness you don't want to wake up to
it and then read it in the newspaper
okay would be it wouldn't be respectful
but I think that yes you're absolutely
right I mean
ultimately uh we make those decisions
and given what we we've been facing we
will continue to face and the outcome of
the uh audit by the osa's office uh we
uh definitely have to uh go through all
of this with a fine tooth comb and it's
just not oh yes this looks good or that
doesn't look too good or this person
said that or but it's it's really uh for
each one of us individually to look at
every option and decide what is really
the best uh thing to do for the city and
and that's the bottom line but yes I it
should go back to the board uh aab as a
courtesy as ay thank
you okay well there you go it looks like
everybody's had their their say
counselor beta sty had to leave she's
hopes to be back later but nonetheless
um I guess we could send it back uh with
you Andy and you know it looks like
Council the majority are supportive of
option six and see what the a says and
bring it back to us again
excellent uh Mr Mayor members of council
thank you all very much for your
comments and questions and Direction and
um we'll get some of the information
that was requested we'll we'll get that
back to you all um but thank you very
much I appreciate it and we will move
forward okay great so now we're going to
go to item number two 3.2 review of the
UTV ordinance and Rob Cabo is GNA be
taking over for that and before he does
I'm just going to uh to say a couple
words and then if councelor Sor wants to
say a couple words so it was probably
almost a year
ago that we had
um um passed the ordinance to allow utvs
and I have to be I I have to say I for
one had no idea the magnitude of how
many utvs there are in the city I just
thought it was you know I don't know 20
25 um but uh seems like there's quite a
few and and and I know councelor Sor
gets he sends me not probably about
every two weeks from some of his
constituents who unfortunately are
catching the brunt of of people who are
not being responsible and are just just
um at all hours of the night I know some
have taken videos and and the city does
their best the city police there to to
regulate it but it's just gotten very
difficult and so that's why I brought
this back up
to council to kind of get it get your
feel from what you're hearing from your
constituents and as whether or not
should we look at possible resending
this or temporarily putting it on hold
so uh councelor sorg are you are you
there yeah I'm here did you want to say
a couple words before we turn it over to
Rob for his uh for his
presentation yeah like you said uh
people are complaining uh it turns out
in the district five in the north
Northeast part of the city it's there's
a lot of County Land right on the border
of the city there um that's not
Farmland um it's desert and that is
where they like to uh ride their
utvs and so um they're driving these
things um from their homes wherever they
are in the city uh out that direction
I'm sure there's other places too
besides just off at District 5 but um so
many of them are quite loud I'm sure
we've all heard one or two at least um
that driving going down the street and
noticing how loud they are and like uh
the mayor said they they uh sometimes
they don't return until later in the
evening um but it's also the um uh
uh you utility uh um I'm trying to think
of the actual an acronym NOW utility and
I used to drive them myself I don't know
why I can't remember now but the little
ones that uh full of
four-wheel ATVs ATVs that's the word ATV
thank you um and they are also doing the
same thing um and they can be they don't
have to be loud but they can be um so
the point is is that if we had enough
um Patrols uh by our Police Department
that could Patrol this and on an
frequent basis I'm probably would think
it would be okay but we just don't have
the enough Force enough time and the the
force uh to do that so I'm told and I
can understand that that's certainly
very real so yeah so I'd like to know if
we should uh you know say no more on the
streets of the
city Okay so
thanks councelor let me go to Rob Cabo
so he can make his presentation then
we'll open it up to comment mayor
council Robert Cabo on behalf of a legal
department I'll be giving a presentation
um about where we are from a legislative
perspective like a review and then I
will pass it over to deputy chief Paul
Brock from LCPD he'll give a different
presentation based off of U more of the
specifics about enforcement and issues
that he seen um that the police
department has seen regarding UT
thanks
Rob okay can everybody see my screen yes
good okay um and I'll start
again uh mayor council uh you were
correct that this time last year uh utvs
cannot be driven on city streets pave
city
streets on March 20th of last year uh
the council p 29 ordinance
29:15 um this allowed utvs to be driven
on paved streets there is a section and
um the statutes
nmsa uh 11 uh sorry 663
1103c that allows cities uh counties to
make decisions whether or not they can
um to allow utvs and ATVs to be driven
on their streets and we exercised that
option and to do that we made some
changes to uh lcmc sections 2712 79
actually it's
79 to
79.2 uh we made a few different changes
that allowed utvs to be driven our
streets uh when it was gone on June 1st
the council uh passed ordinance 2930 uh
David dollahan presented a um an
amendment basically it required a a
permit for utds to be operated and
establish L prohibited areas like
sidewalks and Parks um to prevent uh you
know utvs to be driven on places there
shouldn't
be and then um I made a second amendment
on September 21st 2020 Council approved
ordinance
2952 I basically eliminated the
conflicts that came with that second set
of changes um there was for to sort of
jog your memory there was a second in
the definition section there was a speed
limit a limitation of 45 mes hour um the
cap the speed at utvs at 45 miles per
hour by the definition the problem with
that was that it actually eliminated
most utvs because most of them are
capable of driving faster than that
there's already and plus there was
already a speed limit put on there under
9.2 H that Capp a speed limit at 45
miles per hour or the posted speed limit
the lesser of the
two um and also there was one about
engine size there was a a provision
about engine size that actually
eliminated most uh most utvs because it
says that a UTV was UTV was defined as a
vehicle that had a engine of size of
less than 1,000 CC volume and that's
most utvs that you see on the streets
actually have an engine of that
size um and with that I could move it to
questions or I can go ahead and pass it
to Paul Brock and wait for uh deputy
chief Paul Brock for other
questions yeah let's go to deputy chief
Paul Brock uh Rob and then we'll open up
to council
excellent uh good afternoon Mr mayor
council I'm going to uh try to share my
screen here let me know if you can see
it
not
yet how about now yes
okay okay so what I'm going to do today
is I'm going to talk a little bit what
we've uh seen here at the police
department as far as the ATVs and
utvs um specifically I'm going to talk a
little bit about the calls for service
that uh we received through central
dispatch in regards to
complaints um of note something that
should be noted is that when central
dispatch classifies these type of calls
they don't break it down between UTV or
ATV um they basically classifi the type
of call as an ATV complaint so just keep
that in mind as I go
through so um the calls of service that
uh we've received um through central
dispatch um in regards
to um the ATV complaints and I'm just
trying to move my screen here a little
bit um a month-to-month comparison we've
seen about basically a 64% overall
increase in the calls for service from
2019 to
2020 um the monthly average for calls
for service increased from about uh 9
per month to 15 per month compared from
2019 to
2020 and these are this is just an
overview here April July and October had
the largest increases in calls for
service related to uh utvs or ATVs in
2019 our CAD records indicate that there
was 111 calls for 2020 we had 100 in 82
related calls
this is just a graph to kind of show you
the the peak uh months and the increases
year-to-year comparison for the uh UTV
ATV complaint type calls that the police
department received through central
dispatch I wanted to talk briefly about
the complaints and covid uh as as we all
remember the pandemic hit in March of
2020 the UTV ordinance was adopted also
towards the beginning of March of 2020
and then there was a couple different
changes to the ordinance as Mr Cavo
mentioned um what's interesting to note
about this is um the I think that part
of the covid pandemic with the closing
down other means of recreation for um
citizens and the uh and and the people
of Las Cruses they begin to look for
alternate means of recreation one of
them being um utvs and at so this may
have contributed to the amount of calls
um that the police department was
receiving in regarding complaints to
these types of vehicles um much like um
um through my personal knowledge with
ATVs and utvs I know that sales uh were
up uh after the pandemic hit much like
uh the sell of bicycles you can go into
a bicycle shop and basically find a
bicycle um all of our local shops were
sold out utvs and ATVs were kind of
going through the same thing uh they
were getting increased sales I think
people were looking for different things
to do so this may have contributed to
the types of uh complaints and calls the
amount of them that the police
department was
receiving as I said before there's been
a 64% increase in complaints equal to
the overall increase year toe and that's
since specifically since the ordinance
passed the same % increase when you
compare 2019 to 2020 when you look at
the same time frame after covid in the
passage of the UTV ordinance you had the
same amount of increase in complaints
weekly average increasing from 2.3 to
3.8 During the covid
period and then I'm going to talk a
little bit about uh UTV and ATV
citations and the way they're handled
here the police department um need to
keep in mind that a UTV or uh driver
although he may be legal to drive on the
streets you still have to has to obey
all traffic laws just like any other
motor vehicle
operator um so they can be issued a
regular traffic type citation whether it
be speeding um red light stop sign um or
whatever now that's different than a
specific violation for the UTV ordinance
so when you look at 2019 we had a total
of 38 traffic citations issued to utvs
and ATVs in Los Cruses prior to the the
passage of the ordinance um in 2020 we
had nine traffic citations issued to
specifically UTV drivers two of the
citations or I'm sorry an additional two
citations issued in 2020 after the
passage of the ordinance were for
specific violations related to the
ordinance and I believe those were
equipment type uh requirements that uh
the ordinance specified and they were in
violation of
that so that's pretty much my
presentation of what I had here at the
police
department um I will stand for any
questions if there is any from uh staff
or
counsel thank you uh wut Chief Brock can
you go back to that graph the that was
it looked like it was actually
decreasing but you said it was
increasing of the calls
complaints sure just let me share my
screen again
can you see the graph yes sir okay great
let me go to the council members and
then we'll
um Circle back councelor Vasquez florus
and benl counc
Vasquez thank you mayor um thank you uh
Deputy Chief and also to Mr caveo um I'm
glad we're revisiting this I think we've
had some time now uh with this new
ordinance uh to to start to valuate the
impacts of it on our community and the
uh way the the pros and cons
here
um uh just have a question
regarding kind of losing you councelor
vasus I don't know if you want to take
the video off and maybe that'll reduce
the bandwidth a little bit
let me go to councelor flus and then
I'll Circle back to councelor vasus
councelor
flus thank you uh Mr Mayor and thank you
officer Brock and uh attorney Cabo um
the question I have is well do you have
any stats uh for the prior year because
we did it seems like shortly after we
passed uh the ordinance last March March
of 2019 there was a real Spike and now
it's pretty much the same well December
of 2020 is the same as January virtually
the
same um so do you have any statistics or
graphs on prior years to compare it
to we I was just going to say we've only
had it for one year I know I know but
weren't there citations prior to that or
were they all
County I mean was it just a uh just
within the jurisdiction the county
jurisdiction well noise for example
noise isn't there like a noise ordinance
or something and Gil was saying that
councelor Sor was saying that um that
he's received endless
calls uh about the ATVs I don't know
yeah we just passed it I know not even a
year ago I was just wondering if any
other stats are available regarding utvs
or ATVs
Andor and the answer is probably
no Mr Mayor councelor flutes so
specifically what we looked at here at
the police department was uh the traffic
VI violations that were issued and what
I did is I looked at 2019 and 2020 I
asked for an analysis from our Intel
unit to kind of give me some numbers um
I did not look into the uh breakdown of
the specific
violations um what I can tell you is the
the previous numbers I gave you in
regards to whether it was a violation of
the new ordinance itself in 2020
everything before the ordinance is going
to be a traffic violation type
citation if that makes sense okay oh
yeah so after the uh but then after the
the uh yes it does make sense thank you
officer Brock but so that means that in
March after the um yeah because in April
the citations really went up so that was
after the uh ordinance was passed yes
all based on some sort of violation a of
that ordinance
correct Mr Mayor councelor that's that's
correct after the passage of the
ordinance then we had if I go
to I believe it was the previous
slide
here if you look at this slide here it
shows that 2020 there was nine traffic
type citations issued and two citations
specifically in violation of the UT UTV
ordinance were issued after March of
2020 when the ordinance
took
okay so
H so we only had two
citations in all of well since the uh
adoption in March of 2020 we've only had
two citations I mean it's like this huge
number I I I I expected to see like
hundreds but anyway okay and so and the
other question is well no well per the
graph I guess it's page page four or
page two whatever page it is um
whatever that do you know where U those
citations were issued or is that data
collected or noted anywhere
uh Mr Mayor councelor Floy is that I
would be able to get that information I
don't have it directly in front of me at
this time um but this is Citywide
citations basically inside the city lits
specific to I don't have any information
on
that so the citations that were issued
those 38 citations that were issued that
were not U due to the ordinance
violation what were they based
on maybe I'm just reading but it this
isn't
Mr Mayor councelor Flores so that that
would be basically a violation of
traffic laws in other words like
speeding red light stop sign whatever
type of cite citation it was the person
was operating a UTV type
vehicle I see and not violation of the
ordinance not you're right not violation
of the ordinance and that's my my my
point or my question or some kind of
point I'm trying to make is that
um we really don't have an Apples to
Apples comparison this past uh 10 these
past 10 months since it went into effect
in in so far as whether
um uh there have been
any I don't know it just that's somehow
there's something a skew here with the
information we have it's it's not giving
us the information we really need to
determine whether the ordinance has
really helped or not and thank you very
much Mr Brock and thank you attorney or
officer Brock and thank you attorney
cavil thank you Mr Mayor well
technically he's the deputy chief
so oh Mia k schas um thank you I'm sorry
deputy chief Brock
I have posted on my computer thank you
okay so I'm g go back to councelor
Vasquez and looks like he's on again
thank you mayor um yeah I got booted for
some reason I apologize for that um I
saw counselor florus messing around with
that so it's very
POS oh if only only we had those
controls um no thank you deputy chief um
and Robert for um Mr Cabo for the
presentation today um yeah I so I I had
some questions for deputy chief um in
general uh would love besides this data
to get his um his take um uh especially
having worked with traffic um in terms
of you know what his opinion is um
deputy chief I'm wondering what you
think about our new ordinance and
whether you think it has created um any
public safety
concerns um on on our streets here in
Las crues um since enacting the
ordinance I will just say from my own
personal experiences um I I'd say at
least half of the UTV drivers I've seen
driving um on city streets uh are are I
guess what I would characterize is
probably driving a little bit unsafely
um often times speeding um it's mostly
the violation that I see uh or pulling
out of um you know gas stations and
other places just you know obviously
showing off what their vehicles can do
which sometimes just to me just totally
seems unsafe and so um I just I guess
I'd categorize it as kind of
irresponsible driving um on our streets
from utvs uh that not all of them I've
seen some great folks who are following
the law and I can tell are making a
conscious effort um to to make sure that
they're driving the speed limit uh but
I've also seen a lot of folks not
wearing helmets um that's probably the
violation I see the most or you know not
wearing the proper equipment um
especially with miners in the car uh so
I'm just wondering what what your take
is on our new ordinance if you um have
any Impressions on whether it's making
conditions on our streets um safer or or
that there's a particular issue that you
see there deputy chief Mr Mayor
councelor bosquez thank you uh for your
questions and yes when I F was first
promoted I spent quite a bit of time in
the traffic section of the uh police
department um I I you know I I
specifically asked our traffic section
to also look into uh any uh traffic
accidents or collisions regarding utvs
and I expected that there would be some
information there and specifically they
couldn't come up with any they weren't
able to locate any traffic accidents
that were UTV related which uh surprised
me um uh My overall impression of of the
ordinance I think that um um the
inspection process hasn't begun at the
police department yet that's something
that hasn't been finalized yet Council
needs to uh set a fee and then we can uh
go go through the rest of the process
for issuing uh inspections and stickers
uh setting up Revenue fund and those
kind of things here at at the department
and I think those kind of things would
help um to uh to uh with with the utvs
but you have to remember that um I think
when the ordinance first passed it was
kind of almost like a free-for-all
everybody just thought oh everything's
legal now we can drive these things
wherever we want to and do whatever we
want and they really didn't understand
that uh there was specific guidelines to
the ordinance and requirement
um I can tell you that um I've also
received uh a lot of complaints from uh
certain areas of the city specifically
uh councelor sorg's district and I've
asked our uh not only our traffic
section but the uh Patrol sections to
increase their presence in those
areas and um I have over uh for one
shift spec specifically swing shift that
works from the uh late afternoon into
about about 1: in the morning they have
over uh 70 documented uh incidents where
they went into specific areas of
councelor swg's district and and you
know tried to uh look into this matter
where all the complaints were happening
um it it's also important to note that
when central dispatch receives these
kind of calls that uh uh unless there's
a threat of uh uh death or harm to a
person that these calls aren't real high
priority they may Pinn for an amount of
time before the officers respond to them
and a lot of times uh when we get into
those specific areas that are right next
to uh desert access by the time we get
there these vehicles are gone so we we
were not able to catch up with them and
observe the violation which according to
New Mexico law it has to be committed in
the presence of the officer for him to
take enforcement action um My
overall impression of the ordinance uh
it has a lot to do with also the passing
of covid like I mentioned before I think
people were looking for alternate means
of
recreation um bicycles dirt bikes utvs
ATVs was something that has become very
popular because there's no sporting
events team sports school events uh
everything's been closed down so I think
that also contributed um to the increase
in the type of complaints that we're
seeing or the amount of complaints uh
it's also an important note that the
last couple months the uh amount of
complaints have uh started to come down
um from a personal perspective I will
tell you that whenever I've been out and
I observe one um and I've seen them
early evenings to midday even in the
mornings going to people take them to
Walmart to do their shopping every
single one that I look I look at very
closely and I look at it you know do I
see anything that I could stop this
vehicle for I always check for the
license plate the windshield I look to
see that if there's any children in it
if they're wearing a helmet and um
there's only been one occurrence where I
saw one that was speeding uh every time
I've seen another one and I observe it I
can't find a reason if I was on patrol
to pull it over it looks like they're
obeying the laws when I
have thank you deputy chief I really
appreciate your perspective um you
having the experience both working in
traffic and your personal
observations um you I'm inclined to to
let uh let our process run its course I
think having the registration process uh
in place
is I I think we owe that to folks I know
that was the original intent of of the
resolution is to have um these vehicles
inspected for legality and to have that
really you know visible sticker um
registration sticker that' be visible to
to law enforcement and others um to let
let folks know that it's registered to
really assess the effectiveness of the
ordinance since we haven't gotten there
yet um I just I continue to be um
concerned especially because it is a low
priority I know for LCPD and so I think
oftentimes maybe folks think that
they're more likely to get away with
with some of the violations that that
I've observed personally knowing that
they may not get caught for it they may
not get cited for it and like you said
if they're if they're in an urban desert
interface I mean all they really have to
do is just get in get on a desert Trail
and you know you can't really pull them
over unless you're on an ATV yourself um
uh but you know I have seen them getting
around barricades and barriers and stuff
that are you know entrance into BLM land
I know some of these are city streets
where we purposely they're not gateways
necessarily for Motor Vehicles into um
into Federal public land but I've seen
Gates turned I mean some of the gates
removed or some of the post knocked down
and that kind of stuff so that they
could get back there um and I I know for
sure it's it's some of those folks that
like to get out there so um it's a
difficult one for me uh but I know you
know I want to give this community of
users an opportunity to um to see this
process play out with the registration
and and and come into compliance make
sure that their vehicles are compliant
um from the GetGo and and really
encourage registration but uh just do
continue to share concerns as well just
about um just the the number um of at
least violations I've seen personally
and the complaints I know that um that
councelor sorg and others uh get as well
so thank you deputy chief thank you
mayor thanks councelor before I get to
councelor Ben comoo uh deputy chief do
you mind going back to that graph again
I know you took it off but I'm
encouraged to see that it's actually
decreasing and I'm going to study it a
little bit and I tend to agree with what
councelor VOS a saying and then I'll
come back with what you know after
everyone's done counselor bomo thank you
mayor um yes thank you DC Brock I
appreciate the presentation and the data
um yeah a couple things so I also so
it's clear right that um complaints are
up since passing the resolution and even
though I mean 65% isn't a small thing
right that's pretty significant although
when you showed us the numbers actual
numbers right from 2019 to 2020 I think
um there was 11 calls versus 180 I think
um I mean even in 2019 that's a
considerable amount of complaints
regarding this issue right so I imagine
that this will be an
issue kind of no matter what I think um
the
recreation um sort of environment that
we have here sort of lend people wanting
to do these kinds of things um and so to
me right like 108 111 and 182 like those
are both significant numbers what I what
to me looks I think it was your maybe
your next one I don't remember but then
you showed no I'm sorry it was the one
with
citations I I personally like to see
that there's less citations being given
to people right like I I don't I don't
know Brock do you feel like that's a
good thing right like even though
there's the significant increase in
complaints giving Les less citations to
people is ultimately a better thing
yes um Mr Mayor councelor Beno you know
it's every police officer's job um to
conduct traffic enforcement regardless
if it's a UTV or a regular motor vehicle
that's that's all of our jobs um I
strongly believe that you know that's
something that uh the police department
needs take seriously in order to ensure
you know uh vehicular safety for the
general public right you're regardless
if it's a UTV or a regular vehicle we
need to be conducting enforcement of
traffic laws all the time on a
consistent basis yes ma'am yeah
definitely um yeah I mean our safety on
the streets is is is is critical and
important right and if I mean I think if
um I'm also very surprised that you
found there was no accidents but that's
a very good thing um at the end of the
day I mean you know I don't know this is
a tough issue for me because I feel like
this community this ATV Community I have
seen them
organize very well and I am an organizer
and I have seen them organize events
very quickly they spread information
amongst themselves very
quickly and so it's to me it's
frustrating to see that a lot of these
violations continue to happen when they
have this really wide network of people
that talk to each other often I mean I
think right before Christmas there was
this huge Parade of Lights amongst ATVs
and I thought to myself you know I think
people would rather you follow the laws
and be respectful over a parade that was
that was just like my immediate thought
right but I wonder if DC Brook if you've
had the opportunity to meet with members
of I mean I don't know if it's think
there's some sort of formal organization
I think maybe perhaps more informal
network of people have you had an
opportunity to sit down with some of
these folks and sort of talk about um
here you know hear some interventions
here some of the ways that you all could
come into compliance hear some of the
information that you could spread
amongst your
community has that happened is that an
opportunity that could
happen Mr Mayor counselor Beno um you
have to understand that and yes we have
uh had conversations with certain groups
that were organizing certain activities
um a lot of people with these groups are
proponents of the ordinance and uh
they're in compliance with the ordinance
and they don't like the other UTV ATV
people that are violating the ordinance
so um I know uh specific uh specifically
the traffic session section at the
police department has had some
conversations with some of those groups
and their organized events a lot of
times their events um they'll go out
into into the county um to have them and
they may be leaving from the city but
they go out into the county like um I
know there was an event that they wanted
to have in the real gr when it was dry
but I I believe that was cancelled um
I've seen some other events some larger
groups out towards Aiden Hills which is
the obb area that's west of town west of
the airport riding out there um
but a lot of the the people that we have
the conversations with and that are
willing to speak with us are are in
compliance with the ordinance and the
laws of New Mexico in regards to HBS uh
the the portion that uh tends to uh
violate the laws whether it's the UTV
ordinance or straight State traffic law
City or ordinance traffic laws are ATV
writers which remember are like
four-wheelers dirt bikes things of that
nature
right right no I mean isn't that always
the case right the small group of folks
making it worse for the rest of us so I
don't know I mean I'm kind to um agree
with uh councelor Vasquez although I
understand obviously the uh the f I do
understand the frustration of of
constituents and like I said right I
mean from from that number of complaints
it seems like this is an issue no matter
what and so I'm just curious you know
continuing to work with this group of
people to to do better Outreach and
education in the UTV community so that
um folks understand what's at stake
right like what's at stake here for for
them and and why it is that their
neighbors are are wanting them to um to
be more respectful so um I don't have
any more questions I I that's it for me
Mr Mayor thank you thank you counselor
mayor proam Gand and then councelor
Sor yes mayor thank you um Robert and um
DC Brock I I appreciate the
information um moving forward I I do
know I I have two or three families or
individuals that own um the
utvs
um near in my neighborhood and and I
have to say I they they speed um the
noise is
is can be deafening at all hours of the
night I especially hear it in the
evening and and late and and I I think
um I would agree with Council Vasquez
and Council bomo about
um you know they're organized I think
when you talk to the main group leaders
they they um get very frustrated with
the others but there are some bad actors
and um you know I I I would agree that
if we've you know we have this
inspection policy that I think should be
um that we should we should work through
um I think an educational process right
an educational campaign is is important
um and maybe they the the leadership
Andor these groups that organized so
quickly can can help you know with that
but I um I I think there are a few
people that do not adhere to the the
speed
limits um they're disrespectful really
to the to the community and the
neighborhoods that you know when they're
getting from point A to point B and
really it's unnecessary I completely
understand that they need an outlet and
especially under covid um but there's no
excuse for some some of this behavior
and honestly I I like councelor Boma you
know you don't want a ticket and and um
you want to reduce definitely reduce
that but you know there's what other
ways are there to influence
behavior um frankly and it's unfortunate
that that has to happen it's like you
want people to be
responsible um and follow the law and
the rules and regulations and um frankly
speeding is a big issue in our community
big issue this isn't the only you know
group that speeding um I I hear it you
know weeks to not go by days where
people are concerned about
speeding um in their neighborhoods um
especially in District One um and I
would I would um I think
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um I you know I I know that in talking
with law enforcement and I have a couple
of opportunities to do that monthly at
our downtown um meetings and you know
they're doing all sorts of organized
projects right to get people to slow
down and adhere to to um the traffic
um laws and and and whatnot but again
mayor you know I I want people you know
I felt like we were doing a good thing
um you know by doing this um but I also
feel like people have to be
responsible and you know there's a few
people that are just not adhering to
that and so I get also complaints um
maybe not as frequently as councelor Sor
but I'm I'm getting those complaints I
see it I see it with my own eyes you
know where where they're um going up and
down gasosa up and down
Juniper um you know to get to wherever
they need to to get to and they're
they're they're loud and obnoxious and
Speedy so I think the only way to do
that is right to continue to call um th
you know those kinds of things in but
the unfortunate thing is as DC Brock
explained they have to be in the
presence of right the the speeding or
see the actual event occur in order to
issue um a citation and so I don't know
what the answers are um but I have a
tendency to agree with um councelor
Vasquez so I I just wanted to share the
number of of complaints that I'm getting
as well that I forward on
um it you know it there for a while it
was getting unbearable right to hear
to hear this when you're when you're
wanting to do a good thing and and hear
um people out and and and trying
to again do the the best thing for our
constituency and there's a few people
that are are ruining it for others so
thanks mayor thank you councilor Sor
thank you Mr
Mayor um I need to get something
understood here uh didn't we pass this
ordinance to allow the utvs on our
streets at the beginning of 2020 or
right at the end of
2019 the beginning of 2020 yeah so I'm
looking at this these numbers here 38
traffic violations issued in
2019 well they weren't even supposed to
be on our streets in
2019 were they no
so yeah that I don't know what that's
what's that telling
us I'm not sure maybe Deputy uh Chief
Brock can give understanding of of uh
what's that telling us that here you
have traffic violations but was there a
violation that they were even using them
on the street of those 38 rather than
just missing a stop sign
Mr Mayor councelor swor so you are
correct that was prior to the city
passing the UTV ordinance so the mere
presence of them on the roadway could
have been uh the uh initiating factor
for the traffic stop uh where the
officer made contact the citation would
have been a different type of uh
citation it's under traffic laws versus
a violation of the ordinance once it was
passed so yes that could have been 38
different utvs or ATVs that were seen on
the street and that was what they were
cited for I don't have that specific
information in front of me at this time
but they can if they violated other
traffic laws that doesn't stop the
officer from issuing additional
citations whether it was no driver's
license um you know whatever ran a stop
sign he can issue a citation for that as
well okay yeah that I I'm getting a
little better picture of it now um if
you go back to that graph that the mayor
likes to see I I like to see it too um
it does show that even though it's a
little bit more than
2019 complaints um they are going down
uh if you uh average out the complaints
over time so and I have to admit I
haven't heard a complaint now in what
are we January I would have to say three
four months maybe five months maybe at
the most um whereas most of the
complaints were last spring um and and
even into the summer
somewhat um I I guess what I'm saying is
that yeah you see these vehicles they
can be careless and Reckless in how they
operate them because that's exactly how
they operate them in a desert they want
to be as wild as they can get and so
that carries over onto our city streets
somewhat uh with the speed meting the
main thing here is noise it's all about
noise and utvs ATVs aren't uh the only
vehicles in our streets that have are
loud I'll never forget this behind my
house in the next door neighborhood
there was a loudest I don't know what it
was it was some kind of strange vehicle
I couldn't believe how loud it was and
it was it did about it did ran up and
down the street over a week's time maybe
three four times I couldn't believe how
loud it was of course there again if I
call it in that definitely they would
never be there they only it was just one
La quick trip down the street and um so
here's the thing if you are uh going to
uh register these vehicles okay can you
put a high priority on the registration
to measure the noise they make and make
sure it's down to the level of a
ordinary car not quite to the pre Prius
noise maybe but down to a regular car
and uh I think that would make a lot of
people happy okay that's my all I have
to say
then thanks for that councelor Rob or or
deputy chief Brock I seem to recall that
when we passed that ordinance it
required either a muffler or a catalytic
converter or both do you all have that
handy
um Mr Mayor I do have that handy and it
does require them to uh have a a muffler
equipped on the vehicle yes yeah and I
think councelor sorg they the ones that
you're hearing because I've heard what
you're saying I don't think they have a
muffler at all right so I you know and I
and and that kind of leads me to to just
share my opinion with you all and see if
you would consider this and I'm going to
circle back to what councelor Vos was
saying first off um I think the reason
why you saw number the increase from
2019 to now is because there were people
who were writing these unlawfully and so
and if you look at the spike and and
that was right after we passed it in
between March and may you know looks
like the month of April it was huge but
ever since that I'm encouraged to see
that it's declining I also like the fact
what uh DC Brock said about how you have
a certain faction who are upset with
those who aren't obeying because they
know that that we're in its infancy here
and it could very well go away so I was
going to suggest if if if it's okay with
you all that we wait another six more
months take a look at this because we
don't really have the data for the full
2020 we just barely finished 2020 and
kind of monitor it every six months wait
until uh we do implement the uh those
rules and see if it even comes down more
because because it's possible that a lot
of those that aren't legal aren't going
to get their their sticker and and that
may do away with a lot of the other
complaints and and and you're right
councelor Sor I don't get the complaints
until you complain to me so I it's been
a few months so um that's kind of how it
goes when they complain you give them to
me one more thing to understand here uh
the little ATVs are they allowed at all
to be on the streets uh uh uh CH
Brock Mr May counselor Sor are you
talking are you asking specifically
about like four
wheelers yeah no they're not legal on
the street yeah so I mean if you find
them you just have to cite site them or
or whatever to uh to educate them
they're not to be on the streets at all
okay that's what I was was wondering
about because you were putting them
together here and all okay that's good
mayor thank you maybe we can have you go
to the academy and get certified so that
you can start giving out tickets and
then two for one there for your District
so is that okay uh members of
council uh maybe re revisit this in six
months and let's work with uh uh with
legal to try to get whatever it is
needed so we can get the that
regulations out and the and the fines
and the fees and and and as Council
mayor proam said um a lot more public
education about about this and you know
you need to have this this this and this
and these are legal and then these
aren't legal
and um hopefully we can put out in the
media that you know what I mean this
isn't a given that's always going to
stay like this but I'm I I am encouraged
to see that the complaints are
decreasing councelor vano yeah mayor
thank you I totally agree with what you
just said there um about public
education efforts and you know I
um when I first was elected last year I
went to a meeting hosted by codes
enforcement they had just done I am so
sorry I'm going to forget the name of
this DC Brock maybe you know they just
done like they had picked a specific
area and they flyed the community and it
was like a very like focused codes
enforcement type of program um in the in
this certain neighborhood and then they
met at the end of it and you know
discussed with constituents what they
have found and all that perhaps
something similar can be implemented
here with ATV users in terms of um um
obviously not the exact same thing right
but like a similar strategy so that we
can get um information to the most
people as possible does that make
sense
yes thank you man a few
words I wonder if we need to have a UTV
uh Patrol and uh have a few Vehicles out
there trolling out
area Okay so if that's okay uh any is
that good uh Rob and and DC Brock that
we can come back six months later and
still keep
statistics as as much as you can the
more that concise the better uh so we
can get an idea and P and preferably
what area that would be good and then um
you
know and and then see what we need to do
get to get those uh regulations in place
Rob so that bring it to council we'll
pass it and then we'll do our best to to
educate the public on on the pros and
cons of using the utvs
mayor council I will get with uh the
police department and whoever I need to
get with to make sure we get the permit
system in place very
good okay great well thank you very much
for the presentation we appreciate it h
now we're going to go to the last item
3.3 Consolidated plan discussion looks
like Natalie Green is gonna be
presenting good afternoon mayor this is
Larry Nichol Community Development and
um you are right we will have the
community Improvement program with
Dave we and Natalie Green be available
for participation but um primarily the
Consolidated plan is a plan that we have
um we prepare a process for the US
Department of Housing and Urban
Development
HUD about the resources and priorities
and activities that we prepare for the
different Federal programs that we have
our community development block block R
for
example we have a with us today the U
cresendo Consulting Group and they'll be
presenting the presentation on various
subjects I think you'll find very
interesting particularly about uh the
different groups and affordable housing
and some of those items that we talk
about so often and with that I yield to
chville Consulting
Group thanks Larry good a good afternoon
my name is Scott good I'm the managing
principal here at cresendo Consulting
Group I'm joined by Caitlyn Mishu uh and
Mr mayor council members and and and and
others here in the call thank you very
much for the opportunity to share to
share with you for few minutes some of
the highlights of of this very important
work that that's ongoing we've completed
a lot of it to date but we would like to
to share with you some of the highlights
um if you could go to the next slide
please as was was mentioned a moment ago
the fiveyear Consolidated plan it it is
required every five years but it's
particularly important because it looks
at the housing the Community Development
needs the resources that are available
and the
priorities along with the proposed
strategies I'll I'll designed to align
and most effectively use those those
funds that that that were mentioned a
few moments ago the cdbg and and the the
home funds as well so we have a
accomplished quite a bit to date on this
project um and we'd like to share a few
highlights with you go to the next slide
please um we we have scores and scores
maybe hundreds of pages of data and and
information but we we would like to to
to share with you some of the highlights
from these categories here on your
screen the popul some some data
regarding the population and poverty
overview some how analyses and GAP
analyses some about homelessness there
in the area we've also conducted a lot
of
interviews and a lot of focus group or
group meeting discussions which are
honestly just fascinating that the data
provides a nice foundation for all this
work but it's really once you start to
speak with people and we' spoke with
with with many counselors and others
here on this call today we we've spoken
with with you as well but also many many
other
community members and
uh different groups there they in the
Las Cruses area the other thing that
we've done and I'm I'm very uh very
thankful for the community there we we
have currently in in the field still a
community survey and we we'll come back
to this shortly but there's almost a
thousand responses to this survey which
is uh almost unheard of so we're
delighted that that the degree of
participation is so very high there so
we'll come back to to those highlights
in just a few minutes but I'd like to
introduce Caitlyn Mishu on on Aline with
us now who'll walk through some of the
data tables on some of the population
poverty data and some some of those
other first four or five points there on
this slide kayen great thank you Scott
uh mayor council members thank you for
allowing us to come to your very busy
meeting today to share some highlights
of the Consolidated plan uh my name is
Caitlyn Misha I'm going to be walking
through about the next 20 slides with
you all today at this time I'm going to
ask you to hold your questions to the
end so we can get through all these
slides today certainly if there's a
dying question you need to ask it please
let us know and and certainly we can
accommodate that and I do want to start
us off with the preference that we are
still in the um process of doing the
research so some of this data is still
preliminary data U we're just kind of
introducing it to you you'll see more of
this lat on in the spring as we finalize
the data so please keep that in mind
especially when Scott comes back in
about 20 or so slides to talk about the
community survey because that survey is
still live and active and community
members are still able to take that
survey we don't predict the data to
change drastically if we all a sudden we
get another thousand responses but it's
possible uh so today we are going to
talk about some of the highlevel data uh
we'll start off with some of the
population data from the US Census
Bureau as as many of you are aware that
the US Census did do an updated uh
census in 2020 that data will not be
available for another year or two so we
were able to pull data from the 2019
American Community survey so you're
going to see a lot of comparison data
and I'm going to try to hit the high
levels here certainly we can make this
slide deck available to you all after
this meeting and you're more than
welcome to dive more into the data and
if you have further questions we're
happy to answer some of those offline as
well so to get us started Ed we're going
to kick off with some general population
overview of what the city of Las cruus
looks like currently and what it looked
like about 10 years ago um so the
Consolidated plan is really focused on
2021 through 202 um five but a lot of
the data when we do these processes we
look in kind of what happened in the
past what's going on and what are some
of the trends here um probably to no
surprise to many of you on the call
today is that the population in Las
Cruses is growing and has grown since
2010 so you have seen a small increase
it's not drastic but it is still growing
so the total population has increased
about just over 5% here and what's
really interesting and what's really
positive that we're seeing is that the
mediate income in the past 10 years has
increased almost 25% and you'll see some
of the disparities in the next slide but
I do want to cover which is really
interesting here is that if you break
out the population by age groups you
really starting to see some of the
differences here and you'll want to keep
this in mind as you go through your
strategic plan and some of the work with
the Consolidated plan that depending on
what age group and as we age in place
which is becoming more of a trend here
in our country is that at different
times in your life you need different
Services you have different housing
needs so one of the really interesting
things that we discovered in the data
here is that your fastest growing age
group is really the senior
population so you're seeing from the 65
to 84 you have almost 30% increase of
population what is probably no surprise
to many of you is from that age 18 to
about that retirement age is you're
actually seeing a decrease in population
a lot of that happens in in many states
uh Crescendo is based in Maine and we
see this in Maine and a lot of more
rural States is that oftentimes when you
graduate high school you go off to
University in a big city and then you
happen to stay in that City for a while
because you probably have a lot of
student loans and you need a high-paying
job to pay those off and then you'll
maybe start to get in that childbearing
age and then you'll start to Boomerang
and come back home or maybe as you start
to retire or transition in your life
you'll come home so you start to see
some population differences and
certainly keep this in mind as as
seniors have unique needs um often times
more related to health care but also a
lot of housing needs uh Natalie next
slide
please so here's an interesting chart
here on median income changes over the
past 10 years so the median increase
median income has increase in Las crusis
and what's really interesting if you
break it out by white non-h Hispanic and
Hispanic Latino populations you can see
that the disparity between the two
racial ethnic groups are becoming more
equal about 10 years ago is very drastic
difference there between you know the
average income for Hispanic Latino
household was about 30,000 compared to
about 36,000 or so for um the white
non-hispanic community members in L
crues but now it's becoming almost the
same there about
45,000 annual house household income um
so you can see the disparities are
shrinking in less cruises Natalie next
slide
please so for quick poverty overview and
certainly as the whole Consolidated plan
report goes to public comment in a few
months there'll be a lot more data
tables within that large report that's
really focused on poverty but we want
want to give you at least one or two to
give you kind of paint that picture here
as we look at some of the preliminary
data here U so most of the poverty rates
in the area have stayed very similar
maybe a slight increase but it's not
significant the one feature that is a
significant uh increase in poverty is
children in poverty has increased in the
past 10 years on so that is certainly
something we want to focus on a bit
going forward and if you look at the map
over here uh we want to give you kind of
some spatial reference here but most of
the poverty in Las cusis is focused
around the older Central neighborhoods
near
downtown Natalie next slide
please so
now we are going to look at households
so what we looked at was population so
we're looking at number individuals now
we're going to look at the number of
households in Los crues so the number of
households in Los crues hasn't changed a
whole lot just about 2% from about 39 to
to 40,000 within the
city we also have some da Ana County
data here as well which has seen a
slightly more increase in number of
households now what's interesting as
well we're starting to break out some of
the data by renters and by household
owner so owner occupied housing within
the city so here we have a table that is
divided out by different income brackets
here so what you're going to see with
this table is as household incomes the
mediate income of that household
increases the more likelihood that
household will be a homeowner versus a
renter the lower income household
brackets are more likely to be renters
in less crues and that's very similar
across the country that you'll see that
breakdown of income versus homeowners
versus
renters and you can see the very big
difference here oh Natalie can go back
for a second thank you so you can see
the huge kind of discrepancy really in
the median incomes of Renters of about
22,000 versus homeowners which is 66,000
so that that is a very significant
difference in median
income um kman song did you have a
question I see a hand
raised all thank you Mr yes I have
um what you were just saying there I
didn't follow where that those numbers
are where what part of this gra slide
you're talking about yep yeah so now
we're looking at households so think
about this is like the number of houses
in Las crues versus the previous few
slides were number of individuals so the
population so now we're kind of does
that make
sense I yeah I understand what a
household is okay better
um but how do you explain that 75,000 to
999,000 16% are
renters yeah so that seems to be an
aberration or something yeah so it's
interesting how that data plays out we
you know this is stuff as we're going
through the analysis that we're digging
deeper into but sometimes that is likely
due to either someone who doesn't want
to be a homeowner there are people who
never want to own a home home because
they don't want to deal with you know
fixing the toilet or a roof or anything
like that so sometimes they'll just be
permanent U renters for life it could
also indicate an older um retired person
who maybe not want to again be a
homeowner or sometimes a new family or
couple or individual might move into
town you know they just got a job there
relocated and sometimes there'll be a
renter for a while before they become a
home homeowner so there's different kind
of scenarios that can play into that and
this is certainly we're diving a little
deeper into as we look at the data and
what it actually means so this is where
a lot of times we look at the
quantitative data but we do the
qualitative data as well and do the
interviews we do the focus groups to
really kind of figure out what some of
these numbers are because you know the
numbers tell you only so much and of
course the Census Bureau isn't going to
tell you why that's 16% so that's where
we have to kind of do that analysis and
connect the dots with all the research
to figure out why that's the case okay
thank you okay thank you uh Natalie next
slide
please thank you so this is a big giant
chart here um you'll see a version of
this in the Consolidated plan a HUD
requires all these tables to be
formatted the way HUD wants them to be
so what we did is we converted these
tables into a more reader friendly
version because they just La counts so
the number of houses which really is
kind of meaningless if you don't know
what you're looking for like HUD has
certain things they look for so what we
did is we converted everything into
percentage because it really tells a
story here so these are the top about
five or six things that HUD really wants
to know about within the community as
far as housing related issues and we
have it broken out by renters and owners
and we have it done by income so for all
the work that Natalie her team does
within uh the city and also across the
country would consolidate a plan
is HUD divides out their qualifications
for funding for projects and families
and individuals to help based on their
income bracket so we had the zero to 30%
31 to 50 51 to 80 81 to 100% And this is
of the median income of that City and
this is kind of goes into the
qualifications um so you'll see that
throughout the presentation but also
throughout the Consolidated plan rep
report in a few months so what HUD
really looks at is kind of substandard
housing so lack of Plumbing or kitchen
facilities severely overcrowded this um
and two different versions there of the
number of people and then also the key
one really to look at here and this is
one of the issues that we're seeing
identified in Las crues is cost of
housing and being housing burden and
this is something that's not necessarily
unique to Los crues we're seeing this
across the country in many small medium
large cities where the cost of housing
is you know way more expensive and
increasing significantly faster than
median incomes in a lot of areas um so
you can see that as far as substandard
housing
overcrowded not a ton of issues but
certainly there is more issues in some
of the renters versus owners and vice
versa as far as substandard housing
especially among the very very low
income uh community members here what's
what's alarming here is these
highlighted yellow um rows here which is
really focused on those who are cost
burden with their housing and you can
see it's slightly more with the renters
but you're also seeing cost burden
especially in the very
lowincome um for owners and those
individuals are likely probably retirees
who are very fixed income they live on
Social Security they live maybe on a
pension they live on disability uh so
for many of those who might be in that
Su situation they might not have the
money or the funds to upkeep with their
housing so maybe they need a new roof
but they can't afford it or maybe you
know they're Plumbing is not working or
their stove broke so those are issues
that could happen and also lead to other
housing related issues within the
community next slide please
Natalie so now we have housing cost
burden breaking down by racial ethnic
group uh again this is another HUD
required to table that we converted to
percentage here um so what's really
interesting about this is that
there's not as far as so the less than
30% housing um cost the first line here
or the first excuse me column is really
those who are not cost burden so these
are people that can afford their housing
so you can see a good portion of the
community you know aren't cost burden as
far as HUD defines it as as we go into
the 30 50% that's when you can start to
see people getting more cost burden here
and you can start to see some
disparities within the community um the
American Indian Alaskan native where the
population is is small compared to other
racial ethnic groups in the community
you can start to see that there is some
disproportions of those who might be
more likely to be cost burden within the
community and same with the Asian
population again it it's a small
population within Los cruus but is one
that is starting to feel that the cost
burden within the community and as we
get into the greater than 50% that is
what Hut defines as severely cost burden
so these are people that are spending
you know 50% or more possibly of their
Inc income towards housing whether it's
rent or mortgage or you know the the
their utility bills and again you can
start to see some disparities Within
These
groups next slide please Natalie
so these are really interesting tables
here that I want to talk through you're
going to start to see some of these
tables are really getting into the Gap
analysis and I know many of you here at
the city council and also within the
community are really interested and
passionate about affordable housing so
we're going to look into some of that
data again we're still in the early
phases of really analyzing some of this
data so please keep that in mind that we
haven't fully dived in and connected all
the dots yet for everything but we are
current working on that now but we just
want to let me just move my
videos
there so here is a table that talks
about your current housing stock in
2019 so you can see most of the housing
stock whether you're owner so owner
occupied housing you own your home or
your renter a lot of the units in Los
cruus are single family homes some are
most of them are detached but there are
some kind of attached uh single family
units you can also see a small
percentage of multi-units as well um
most of them tend to be the kind of
small that medium size versus the much
longer larger um apartment complex that
you might see in a larger City and
there's also a small percentage of kind
of mobile homes RV parks and other um
and you can see most owner occupied
housing is single family um and you can
start to see more renters in multi-units
next slide please
Natalie so these are some of the fun
tables that we like to look at here so
this here is a table so we're looking at
renters first here we'll look at next
slide will be owner occupied housing but
let's spend a little time looking at
rental units right now so what this
table is telling you is that the First
Column here on the left is talking about
monthly rent brackets here so you have
everything from a dollar to just under
$500 all the way up to $3,000 a month in
what people might spend on rent uh rent
the average median rent in last cruises
at the moment is
$779 so the second column here is supply
of existing rental occupied housing
units so this is what the Census Bureau
is reporting in Las crues as um the
housing in that monthly rent bracket so
let's look at500 to
99 per month for rent so within that
category there is just over 10,000 units
in the city of Las Cruses
currently so the third column here is we
calculated this with data from the
Census Bureau so this is looking at the
number of households able to afford So
based on the medium income of renters in
Las crues we kept calculated data to
show that there are about just over
4,500 households that are able to for
rent in the 500 to just under ,000 doll
a month in
rent so based on what the US Census
Bureau has identified of just over
10,000 units there is a surplus of units
in L cruises that fall in that category
again we don't know if these are all
rented out or not that would be a much
longer process of figuring that out but
if we look at the income or let's look
at the rental of a dollar to $500 so
we're looking at very
lowincome um individuals that would be
able to afford this rent so the current
stock of existing units is
2600 but then we can look at the
households of just over 7,000 people can
afford this rent and you can see
deficiency so there's about 4,500
households that according to data that's
what they can afford but there is a lack
of housing so that is showing there's a
lack of affordable housing and you can
see in the red as the higher monthly um
rent increases and the number households
can afford to rent those also increases
as well so you're seeing a deficiency in
the higher rentals but the likelihood of
those individuals actually needing rent
um is probably smaller because those
individuals are more likely to be
homeowners or more interested in buying
a home but what is also common as well
is that those of higher income will also
likely rent a lower priced unit as well
because they might want to save money to
buy a house so those in the higher
income bracket um are also taking up
units that might be deemed more
affordable housing or those who can
don't have as much income to spend on
monthly rent
next slide please
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Natalie so now we're going to look at
the same table or very similar but this
is for homeowners so those are the
individuals that might be interested in
buying homeowners again US Census Data
does not just differentiate between
those who are who are buying a house or
not this is just what the numbers are
based on the number of housing stock
units in luses and those households that
can afford it so the similar idea with
the column on the left here is the home
value so think about houses under 50,000
and you have the houses that fall in the
100,000 to just under
150,000 um so you can see that there is
a surplus in the lower kind of housing
values but again H um excuse me US
Census Bureau does not
differentiate whether that $50,000 house
might be available but is it livable it
could be very deteriorated and it could
be vacant and we don't know that and the
Census Bureau does not indicate that
within their numbers so it says that
there might be a surplus but again it
comes down to the quality of the housing
and then those that it shows a
deficiency in the higher um bracket say
you know half a million dollar home you
know those probably don't go on the
market very often within the community
or those who could afford that will
likely probably build their
own next slide please Natalie
so here's another look at the housing
Gap analysis within the community so
this data comes again from a mix of
sources some of it comes from MSL data
the units available and what's sold or
is available on the market within the
past 12 months we also used American
Community survey so from the US Census
Bureau and we also did some own internal
uh calculations to create this table for
you so again the left-hand column is
talks about the percent of median income
so again you're looking at median income
and whether they fall into that very low
income so that 0 to 30% so likely those
on a very fixed income all the way up to
those who make over 120 or over for for
income
here so again we looked at the data
based on kind of the median income
brackets again that zero to 10,000 you
saw a few slides ago you know 25 to 35
it's how the US sunp defines the income
brackets and then based
on limits here an affordable pricing
we're able to calculate subss be needed
so those who live on a very fixed income
so those are going to be earning about
$113,000 a year so again likely people
on fixed income whether Social Security
Disability very low income minimum wage
you know they can only afford a house
just under 50,000 so the median priced
home in
2019 in Las Cruses was about 150,000 so
if someone wanted to buy a home of the
medium price they would need over
$100,000 in subsidy so it making you
know home ownership for those of very
low income pretty much
impossible um and those obviously who
were making much closer over the median
income in the community or very likely
able to afford a house if they would
choose
to next slide
Natalie so again looking at housing
costs uh between 2010 and
2019 um so again I think we all know
that in 2020 that real estate market has
been very hot so the likelihood of
160,000 being the the kind of medium
home value in 2020 is probably lot more
because of the housing market was so hot
so it making you know especially for
firsttime buyers making buying a house a
little more difficult this past year but
you can see that Medium home value has
increased and oftentimes that is a good
thing um especially if you're a
homeowner if you're trying to buy a
house you know not
necessarily um but the big key thing to
look at in this table is the median rent
so in the past 10 years rent has
increased 15%
um what's interesting is that if you
remember in our very first slide we
looked at household income so household
income increased about almost
25% so it's a good thing to see that
average rent is still under the uh
median
income kind of percent increase there
you don't want to see median rent
increasing over what income has in the
area where you often see that in other
places Ross the country that the cost of
housing is far surpassing the increase
in any sort of median income for a
community but you're not seeing that as
much in Los cruus so that's a that's a
positive thing next slide please
Natalie so this is a good table that
actually the League of Women Voters
shared with us from Atlanta and we were
able to recreate it and oftentimes when
we look at all these data tables you
know you're just looking at numbers
percentages and it's hard to really
really put it into real life so this
table does a good job of really putting
like a face or like a name or just
thinking about someone you know within
your community to one of these kind of
categories you likely know someone in
your community or maybe you yourself or
retiree on a fixed income or maybe your
son daughter nephew neighbor is a
teacher at the local elementary school
so it's a lot easier to think about
these as real people in this um way of
looking at housing costs so let's first
look at retirees on fixed incomes so
again this comes from the you um Social
Security about what the average
household would have for on social
security so annually they take in about
$18,000 so the max rent they could
afford is
$457 so for retiree who may or may not
have some Mobility or other um healthare
issues it make it really hard for them
to find affordable housing inless Cruis
and also if they want to buy a house as
well knowing that the median Inc um
household value is over
150,000 but they can only afford a
$52,000 house you know the chances of
that being a livable House available for
sale in Las cruus is probably pretty
small now if you look at single parent
with let's say a child um very common
that single mom or sing single dad and
little kiddo um that person's going to
likely make a you know estimated housing
income of just over
32,000 so their their potential rent of
what they can afford is $800 a month no
slightly more they can afford a house up
to
$92,000 but again knowing what um some
of the houses have sold in the recent
that they will likely have a hard time
you know going into Home Ownership
without some assistance
uh next slide please
Natalie so now we're going to switch
gears a little bit and talk about some
of the homelessness data within Las
Cruis so this data here was provided by
the New Mexico coalition to end
homelessness they do annually what's
called po point in time count so every
usually it's around January every year
um they recently or they will be
probably shortly another week or two
doing the uh 2020
um they did not have 2020 data for us so
we have 2019 data um so they spent a day
going around the community and
essentially counting uh homeless
individuals within the community so on
this date um in
20 sorry there's a typo there it should
be 2019 not 2020 that there was an
estimated count of just under 500
individuals within Las cruus who is
homeless and then the will is also
divided out whether they're sheltered or
if they're unsheltered and kind of if
they were in a family or if they're
chronically homeless or if they are a
veteran I think what's a key takeaway
really from these tables in the slide is
that of of that almost 500 homeless
individuals a third of them were on
sheltered and you can also see that
about just over hundred of the
individuals were identified with mental
health
issues next slide please Natalie
so now we're going to dive into some of
the qualitative research findings and
again we're just really giving you the
30,000 foot view the high level view of
the qualitative data we're really
digging into doing some textual analysis
of our findings we are finishing a
couple last interviews as well during
this process so when we present the
Consolidated plan in a few months you'll
definitely have a more robust uh
findings but we're going to share some
high levels so kick us off uh we've done
over 57 stakeholder interviews with the
community um I know some of you uh
council members we have talked to many
of you we really appreciate your
insights and some of the public on the
call today we chatted with many city
employees Realtors and home builders
Banks lenders Community organization
leaders Educators uh we really try to
talk to anyone who would like to
participate uh and do a interview with
us we also held eight focus groups with
a total of 31 par participants from the
public um anyone was invited to
participate so we really appreciate
those who participated and took their
time to join us on a focus group uh next
slide please
Natalie so we'll start off with some
affordable housing themes that we have
identified so far and again we're we're
keeping a very high level for for you
today is that we've identified there's a
need for increased stock of both rental
and owner occupied units for especially
lowincome residents uh we also need an
increased stock of different housing
types so we're talking about more
multi-units or Studios efficiencies or
tiny homes shipping containers so some
more diversity within the types of
affordable housing versus just single
family
homes um other identified uh themes so
far is just an increased number of
private landlords who are willing to
accept housing vouchers there a huge
waiting list for those on housing
vouchers I think it's about a one to two
year wait at the moment and there's a
lot of landlords private landlords
within L crues but many of them aren't
accepting the housing vouchers for
various reasons right now we'll talk a
little more about that
momentarily and another kind of high
level theme is really encourage Builders
and developers to build affordable
housing in in less cruises and that
could be from Financial incentives from
support from the city or cost of land so
there's a lot of variables that go into
kind of um encouraging developers to to
build more and next slide please
Natalie so let's talk a little bit about
homelessness here and again this is very
related to housing but we wanted to kind
of divide out some of the homeless needs
because there are some unique needs as
well so it's really interesting with the
homelessness population obviously they
need housing that's a key key issue is
that they need places to sleep whether
it's short-term emergency or it's more
that transition to permanent so we
increased number of Shelter beds or
rental assistance especially in light of
covid now where there's more people
struggling paying rent so those could be
on the brink of homelessness and then
again going into private landlords who
accept vouchers but what's really
important to note within the
homelessness population and the concept
is there's a need for expand expand or
establish more wraparound social
services so what we mean by that is
really focus on some Mental Health
Services sub substance use treatment
facilities employment and job
opportunities you know access to healthy
food or just access to food and and a
shower a place to do laundry so those
are more the you know they're related to
housing but not necessarily housing
issues next slide please
Natalie so this is
a really interesting topic that we see
pop up often when we do these projects
across the country and I'm looking at
this from several angles here so we're
talking a little bit about stigma
discrimination again there is a
perceived kind of stigma within Las
crusis about within private landlords
about the Housing Voucher Program is a
lot of people tend to think housing
vouchers Section 8 you know the people
on those housing
um voucher programs might not always be
the best tenants or they don't
understand the program so there's a lot
of misconceptions around that so it's
really important to increase education
and knowledge about the Housing Voucher
Program so landlords understand what it
is and make more units available to
accept housing vouchers um other thing
that popped up often we heard about this
within our interviews with a variety of
people within the community which was
really interesting is the stigma around
affordable housing uh we heard from
quite a few individuals in the community
that when there's conversations about
some of the infield developments or
affordable housing projects that the
city and others are working on is that
there a lot of people in the community
are like not in our backyard so there's
some stigma or just a lack of Education
around what affordable housing really is
so again providing more education around
what that is and create awareness and
also create that Community engagement
that really Embraces affordable housing
projects and also some increased
education around fair housing laws as
well is important for landlords for
lenders for anyone who works with
housing related projects and issues
within the community next side
Natalie and also important to with
Consolidated plan it's not just about
housing but it's it's other um
opportunities as well especially with
economic development which is often tied
with housing is that there there's an
increased need for increasing the living
wage job opportunities in L cses I know
the city for the past few years or so
has been really focused on raising the
minimum wage so now it's kind of that
next step of okay we're raising the
minimum wage to be a more livable wage
but let's look at different
opportunities that might provide a
better job for opportunity I know you
know healthc care education often tends
to be you know a good job opportunities
what are ways that you can track new
businesses in various Industries whether
technology or manufacturing Health Care
you know could be anything so attracting
those new businesses but also expanding
job training opportunities for any sorts
of like Allied Health Tech skill trades
those often came up in conversations so
it's really around you know providing
the training opportunities creating
those new businesses and industries that
will also hopefully at the end of the
day increase the living wage within the
community and again start to raise that
median income within the city and then
improve public transportation and
infrastructure and adding kind of
Alternatives as well so sidewalks or
bike Lanes um so a lot of people don't
necessarily have a car so they need to
get to their job or to school and public
trans transportation is an opportunity
for those next slide please
Natalie and our last findings here again
high levels R awareness and
Communications so we we find uh
Crescendo do does need its assessments
across the country for various clients
from Health Care to Social Service to
municipalities like L crues and we often
find awareness of various Services is
one of the top needs um so it's really
around what current services or
opportunities are in Las crues and how
do you connect the people who are in
need to those
Services um so oftentimes it comes down
to community unation how do you get that
information out to everyone in the
community and then another thing which I
think came to the Limelight mostly due
to the pandemic is really expanding
access to broadbanded technology
especially for those on lwi income with
remote schooling now um some households
don't have a computer they don't have
internet so makes it hard for those
kiddos that are now in remote learning
to attend school if they don't have the
technology to do
so next s please
Natalie thank you okay I'm going to turn
it over to Scott
now oh hello hello once once again uh
mayor counselors others others here in
the call uh as Caitlyn just summarized
there's a tremendous amount of data that
that that that we pulled for the
Consolidated plan uh and a lot of
citizen participation went went into
this this this work so far as well uh
you know think think about the data
there's really enough to make make to
make one's head spin but uh we we are
trying to through this process create a
real boil down vers as as to what the
data really means and so Kaylin thank
you for sharing some some of the
highlights there certainly There's an
opportunity for for more uh lower income
affordable housing probably not a big
surprise uh but to look at the magnitude
of of the needs I think was helpful to
sort of build on that on the data and
the qualitative work we launched a
community survey and it was uh it like I
mentioned earlier that the participation
was outstanding I think we had 925 or
930 responses so far if you haven't uh
Taken part in the survey uh feel feel
free to do so it's going to be open for
another four or five days I would like
to share with you some of the highlights
um first of all I'm I'm a former
statistics Professor so I'm I'm always
very interested in in how how the data
represents the community and it's pretty
good um you know the the representation
across all age groups and income
categories was was solid and I spared
you the uh the task of looking at all
these charts and tables that that go
into this but we certainly have them but
the representation was was solid among
across a groups and income levels as
well most respondents even though the
survey was available in Spanish language
or or English most most respondents all
all all put a handful honestly chose to
take it in English even though about a
third of the respondents were Hispanic
ethnically so that that was was good to
see too um let's go to the next slide
natal if you would please I'd like to
share with you some of the
results uh I I could take you through a
long a long walk through some of the
methodology and things like that but it
really boils down to in summon substance
about you know what what are the needs
and are the needs different among age
groups or among ethnic and racial groups
or among other categories so just as an
overall slide at first um I think we
started out with 50 40 or 50 or 60
different needs that were were evaluated
and I'm showing you the the top 10 here
overall the first one there surprise
Economic Development uh that that's
identified by everybody as as a huge
need and and not not surprisingly the
economic engine drives drives housing as
well as everything
else before could down through the list
that second column there the type of
needs Community homeless facilities and
services Etc we did divide each of these
50 or 60 needs into categories for
example the second one Mental Health
Services substance abuse treatments
Supportive Services primarily focused
toward those experiencing homelessness
or at risk of becoming homelessness
that's how you you might might read
these two columns together and as you
take a take half a step back you can see
that as you look down through that
middle the type of needs that half of
those top 10 needs are either homeless
facilities and services related or
they're direct housing related the uh
need number nine here toward the bottom
safe housing for for for seniors that's
really the the only one specifically in
that housing category but remember the
cdbg uh funds in particular can be used
not just for direct housing but can be
used for Supportive Services uh homeless
services and Facilities different types
of community services and infrastructure
and economic development as well so
that's why we we include these items in
the survey also so here's the overall
top 10 but we wanted to dig a little bit
deeper so Natalie if you could go to the
next slide we can share with you some of
the uh the key highlights here so we we
did break it out by the two largest
racial or ethnic groups represented in
the survey of the three columns here the
far left is is the overall or the total
column the column in the middle is for
white
non-hispanics on the far right is the
Hispanic or
latinx uh ethnic group and you can see
those this looks a little bit like a I'm
not sure the different colors I it took
me a little time time getting used to it
but look at the the top one on the top
left corner Economic Development it's
it's in light green you can see that
that it's number one in the total you go
to the second column that same light
green is number two for white
non-hispanic and also for Hispanics also
it's number two you can follow those
colors as well go back to the second one
on the left Mental Health Services dark
yellow number two why it's not Hispanic
it's the the top of the list and still
not the top but it's number four the
anic Community domestic violence
shelters is number three across raci and
ethnic groups and what what this is
telling you what this is is telling us
really is that those top three needs
among the total survey population
Economic Development Mental Health
Services and substance use treatment
Supportive Services primarily for
homeless or those at at risk of
homelessness and domestic violence
shelters but those are pretty consistent
across across racial and ethnic groups
one very interesting difference is
within the Hispanic Community seeing
youth centers as the number one the
number one item and it's not even among
the top five with uh with the the whites
and the non-hispanic community so that
that was the one interesting difference
across this I guess it was also
interesting to to see that there was a
large agreement among those those top
needs as as well the top three needs
mostly across ethnic and racial
categories but there was another cut
that that we wanted to make was the data
itself that if you could go to the next
category please the next
slide this uh what I'm going to show you
actually wouldn't fit on one slide so
here's here's the the things I want to
share with you then we'll look at that
that data table here in just a
moment um but the looking at the uh the
effect of
covid-19 and it's it's interesting that
we're not hearing that there's I mean
there's some but there's not a lot of
new needs but those needs that are out
there whether it's economic mental
health issues or housing related issues
that they're all elevated again it's no
no surprise but to see it so
dramatically was was really quite quite
eye
open and so certainly uh affordable
housing and services for those
experiencing homelessness elevated
tremendously during the past 10 months
and I think you you'll see on the data
table on the next page if you scroll
through so
here uh we asked a question which of
these
Services is much somewhat or uh much
more
needed uh since the beginning of
covid-19 you can see that that uh
Financial related issues
unemployment access Toth healthy food
mental health services so economic and
Health Services were really the items
that that
are elevating more rapidly as far as
needs in the community so the way that
we that we like to think about this is
when we when we think about how to
prioritize needs in a particular City or
area there's certainly an important
place for what needs affect the most
people but we also try to look over the
horizon a little bit what are those
those needs that are increasing most
rapidly to try to to try to stay ahead
of the curve a little bit we can see
that that things economic related health
related and going down the list uh
utility assistance rental and Mortgage
Assistance those are all
elevating uh
versus roughly a year ago so dur during
during this survey which is still still
in the field we're learning a lot about
the prioritization within the community
of those needs getting a quantitative
read on it we're categorizing those
needs into certain certain information
buckets or or groups that that that we
can use to better uh get some ideas
about how best to use efficiently and
effectively cdbg and home grant money
we're trying
to look ahead a little bit to see what
are some of those more rapidly
increasing needs in the community as
well seeing too that in large part uh
the age groups racial ethnic categories
they're all of the same mind with a few
exceptions so Caitlyn I'm going to uh to
ask you if you'd like to to close this
part of our discussion and maybe help us
uh yeld some some questions if if there
are
any May Council others here in the
call thank you Scott um so this is
Caitlyn Misha speaking uh next slide
here is that our survey as scottt just
showed you is PR preliminary data but
the survey is still open if you have not
taken have taken the survey yet we
certainly encourage you to take it it
takes probably about eight to 10 minutes
at most the link is right here on the
slide deck and certainly we can send it
to you offline as needed um we do ask
you if if you'd like to send it out to
your constituents or your friends
families anyone you know if they haven't
taken yet we certainly encourage enage
them to complete the survey we are
leaving it open into this Friday and
then we will uh close the survey so we
can start finalizing the data and really
splice and dice it um as we need to get
some really good results from it as as
Scott has started we'll dig deeper into
a lot of the results once we have the
final
tabulation um next slide please
Natalie so we wanted to give you some
kind of next steps on the Consolidated
plan is a really long multi kind of
month process so we wanted to give you
kind of heads up on what in the next
steps are because you will be seeing us
again in the next few months as far as
presenting the actual final results of
the Consolidated plans so again just a
reminder the survey is still open we'd
really appreciate your feedback so if
you please have not done yet please take
the time to take that survey um as we
we've talked about already we are
completing an in-depth analysis of all
the data so we're really going to be
digging into some of these data tables
really working on narrative really
adding as as I like to put it adding the
color to the story um we got all these
data tables all these calculations but
with the qualitative research that we're
in the process of finishing up now in
the week or two is we're adding the
color to the story now so really looking
at what has changed especially in the
past year you know the covid pandemic
things have changed pretty rapid ly on
on certain issues so certainly we want
to make sure that that is in the report
and HUD hears what's really happening
and the more immediate needs and I think
as we all know that you know covid-19 is
is not going away anytime soon and we
will be seeing long-term effects what
all they are we're not sure but we know
with the housing market and those
struggling right now you know it could
be a few years before people start
getting their feet under them again um
so we're in the process now or we'll be
transitioning with and her team with the
city to work on the potential strategies
and develop the five-year goals and the
annual goals for the fiscal year
2021 um Natalie has been receiving or
will be receiving I believe this week um
organizations who are submitting uh
funding to the city for the cbbg and
home grant funding they'll be reviewing
those um through their processes which
Natalie can answer those questions um if
you have any of those but you will be
seeing the consolidated plan and the
analysis of
impediments they will be available for
public comment tally the end of March
into April so they will be available and
they will be advertised they will be on
the city website also advertised through
social media and the newspaper to let
people know that the reports will be
available for 30 days so people can
submit any comments they have about the
reports and we will be bringing the
final reports to you all back in
probably end of April early May for your
fin review and approval and then we will
be um entering them into Hud's platform
and submit it to HUD and then funding
will come after
that next slide please
Natalie so I just want to thank you all
for the time and the opportunity to
present to you mayor and council members
and at this time we will happy to take
any questions thoughts feedbacks about
what we just presented to you and other
questions you might have about the
Consolidated plan process
be sure to send that link to
us
yes okay looks like we got um thank you
for that presentation looks like we've
got councelor be sty and then mayor
proam Gand I have a couple
questions thank you Maya and thank you
all this was a really comprehensive um
analysis and I appreciate you um even
mentioning uh topics to think about um
and showing us uh especially on slide
24 um just the different uh breakdowns
um that you had I don't know if you can
pull that one back up
again
and is said
24 yes
please there we
go yeah great um and so the
um were all the your top 10 items uh and
you said that you had a little bit more
of an in-depth breakdown of this um
that' be some information that once you
guys um get it all done I'd be very
interested in seeing um because I think
there are a lot of connections when it
comes to um these different areas on
what they'd like to see um I think we
slide 25 shows it a little bit more um
with how certain uh ethnicity they want
use shelters but what other correlations
could we possibly be making uh when it
comes to everything from ethnic groups
to income and start pairing different
items together so I'm not sure if you
have those types of breakdowns available
um for a in-depth
review yes thank you very much counselor
uh this is Scott Scott good speaking and
you know I uh I I personally really find
the data very valuable and given that we
have o over 900 responses to this survey
it does allow us to to do those those
breakdowns and those stratifications
exactly as as you're referring so we
have done a few here uh we we've done
some broad categor categorization by age
group by RAC eth ethnicity and a few
other things um but there's a lot more
to go uh we did want to give you a heads
up to let to let you know that that that
information's out there not just the
breakdowns of the different categories
but you're right as far as correlations
between types of needs and types of
community groups I think is going to be
fascinating so we've started that
process a little bit but um I think you
can look forward to to some more as
well fantastic thank you and then um
going uh to slide
25 I
think yeah there you go thank you
um when doing these types of items I'm
just trying to look at with your totals
and everything um I'm curious
how um under your full totals uh the
youth centers did not make it on the
this list uh while the mental health did
um just given where they are domestic
violence threes across the board um and
then trying so just walk me through that
process
yes certainly well it's uh you can think
of it this is Scott good speaking again
for um person taking the minutes uh you
can think of it like like a weighted
average that the the white non-hispanic
part of the sery was about 60 65% of the
total
responses uh Hispanic was about 30% and
just the way that that the averages
folded in youth centers I think overall
was six or seven so it's it it just
barely missed the screen uh but it was
just essentially a weighted average as
as to how they should
out okay so that means um for for us on
Council to be thinking about it that the
information that we're getting in
doesn't necessarily reflect the demog of
the community then because I would have
had that hard demographics on how many
um of Hispanic um seems that it would a
little bit higher is that something that
we've considered with this as well and
it's a reminder I think for us on
Council and on ways to make sure that we
are reaching out in ways to these other
groups yeah I I appreciate that again
this is SC good I think that that that
that's that that's an excellent point
and certainly to fold in the survey data
along with the other things was is is
very helpful too because we have some
excellent qualitative data we have some
very strong foundational um census data
and other uh types
of quantitative work data data uh that I
think we we'll build into that final
prioritize list so it's it's not just
the survey that that we're looking at
but it's this is one of many important
pieces that we'll be aggregating
together well thank you um I do
appreciate that and I I look forward to
seeing all the the information and the
data that you gather um and thank you
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mayor mayor proam sorry about that
that's okay thank you um mayor thank you
so much Scott and I'm sorry I forgot
your name my name is Crescendo tonight
apparently I can't change it
my what is your name please Kaitlyn
Caitlyn yeah yeah thank you you um so
much for this inp
um um presentation and all the the data
I was very comprehensive very
interested um this very much um in terms
of a a survey I did a year ago um in our
resilience leaders it's speaking to um
um ensuring that 100% of our community
get you know the survival and thriving
Services BAS based on social
determinance of health and I I spoke a
little bit I think about this with
Caitlyn and she has spoken to other
people and various sectors I think
related to housing and it's a lot of of
what we're hearing and seeing um so much
data that that's being
um
um um gathered you know by other groups
and it it's simply what you're you're
putting out um specifically so very
interested in in um hearing a little
more um statistical analysis right um
related to some of this and how really
the city can engage um in in a a
educational campaign related to lots of
these lots of these topics right there's
so much that we do already I don't I
always feel like we don't give our the
city staff enough credit for the work
that is being done and I especially um
appreciate the pandemic question or you
know that being incorporated into this
because often you know we're we're
entering as you know planning and some
of the CR criticisms that we received
about that survey was like you didn't
ask anything around the pandemic how can
we do anything until we get out of we
get out of this right and and you all
know that it's a balancing act and we
must do a lot of different things in
order you know to keep things moving the
city business along um but I I've
appreciated um your
um your um take on the sort of next
steps related to the pandemic what kinds
of things as a city we can focus in and
and also I'm I'm interested because I
keept hearing a lot of well this is the
way CBD you know like the federal
government collects data we had to sort
of
Mo and you're saying a lot of what we
all say it's like if only there was
flexibility in some of this that then
some of you know this cohort of people
will then be um um served in in a way
that's meaningful to them rather than
this you know the federal government
puts all these guidelines and the city
does as well we do a we do a lot of that
and it doesn't serve our public right
especially our homeless population
especially our lowi income popul ation
and I'm really interested in hearing
maybe some recommendations in terms at a
policy level how we can from the you
know as a city um legislator right um
negotiate with our state and federal
government moving forward and I've I
began having some of these conversations
with um Senator heinrich's office udel
and um our former um representative um
soit in regard regards to housing cdbg
funding sort of just the P they pigeon
whole um you know the in the agencies
into certain things and it's not helpful
at all um to our our our our the general
public specifically our low-income um um
folks homeless population and and the
like so um I it was more um commentary I
I've appreciated this this is really at
my willhouse as you know and um I'm I
really am looking forward to um having
you come back in March or April as you
say and the link will be important and
we'll make sure that I send that out to
a large array of of of people um that I
that I have um in a couple of list
serves um that I um organize and manage
so thank you so
much thank you mayor proam councelor
boscus thank you mayor um and thank you
uh to our presenters today
Scott um that was uh really
comprehensive um look into some existing
data so I appreciate it couple of
questions is one um did you say what is
the latest Federal data that you Ed for
this you said it was the American
Community survey um what year was that
from Kaitlin can you up can you confirm
the uh the DAT is of
2018 it is uh this is Caitlyn me showed
U from Crescendo we use the 2019
American Community survey so it's the
most latest data that is publicly
available in the US Census Bureau at the
moment thank you Caitlyn I appreciate
that um since we do have some Census
Data coming out more comprehensive I
understand Census Data coming out um we
I think we just missed this fiveyear
Mark right to be able to undertake this
process with new data um can you just
quickly go over what what might be
different the existing census data that
we will have um here shortly and and the
American Community survey what what are
some of that what is some of that data
that would have helped inform this a
little bit more comprehensively if we
were using new data versus ACS
data hello Council this has got good uh
I I think that's you know certainly
demographic numbers population those are
going to wiggle around a little bit but
I think what's going to be most
interesting especially uh if we could
get projections for 2020 even but
certainly the 2019 data is to look at
that that those poverty and income data
points as well uh I'm I'm interested in
seeing not just the data points but the
trends going into
2020 U we have anecdotal comments from a
lot of our interviews and focus groups
and those are very very helpful but it's
all it always ties well like Caitlyn
mentioned earlier that the interviews
add the color well the data is kind of
the backbone so they they they both need
to go together though so uh when we do
get uh if when we get more more current
American Community survey data uh I
think my my first Peak would be at
things that that are either economic
related or maybe those
uh uh small population disadvantaged
population data points that that might
be particularly in need as we look at
this this Consolidated plan as well is
it helpful
sir that is helpful thank you I I
appreciate that answer um and just yeah
just wondering I want to make sure that
we have that we're using uh the best
available data to make uh decisions on
where to allocate federal funds they're
so important to our community and um
really we rely on them right for
especially for housing needs um so just
want to make sure we're not missing an
opportunity to use new data but uh
regardless that the data that you have
collected is is very important
um the other question I have is around H
funding models from HUD you know one of
the more Innovative projects that we
have in the in the city uh in my
district that I was happy to Champion
were are the desert Hope Apartments and
we converted um uh an old apartment
complex in a in a kind of lowincome area
of the city into studio apartments we
doubled the number of um occupancy uh uh
uh potential for a for an apartment
building but we also included integrated
services for those experiencing
homelessness and mental health issues
and economic distress issues and so we
will have a social worker on site that
will be able to actually work with a um
work with a uh uh individual that needs
Housing Services or that needs mental
health services and we see that as
meeting a number of goals that we're
identified in your survey um and but we
did have a challenge of being able to
fund uh type of uh facility so just
wondering if if you if HUD has
transitioned to a different type of
funding model that would help support a
variety of these Services um in an
integrated model like this or if there
is still additional Federal legislation
or other administrative changes that
need to take place to encourage more of
this type of development that I think
helps address several of the issues that
you that we mentioned as being important
in our community
Excuse me yes yes counselor Scott Scott
good here I think that that it's still
it's still tough to get uh spending
categorizations changed at the federal
level certainly with covid and the cdbg
dasco or CV
funding feds did did reflect a
willingness to sort
of expand that ability to to address
certain types of services so I'm I'm
optimistic
uh I guess it's it's more it's a little
bit of a wait and see right now honestly
so I I think that that more advocacy and
that type of work from the council's
side and from the legislative side is
always helpful regardless of what what
changes may or may not be be in the
works right now I I wish I had a
definitive answer for you but uh I let's
say I'm I'm more optimistic now about
that level of change than I was a year
ago thank you I appreciate that and I
think um yeah really what I'm trying to
get to is we want to spend our money
more wisely that we do get um especially
in the face of a potential economic
recession and and uh maybe even the lack
of State dollars for some of the
assistance that we get for for programs
like this um it's just so important to
to be able to use that wisely so I
appreciate that um and then my last
question here is just around um uh
especially with our housing shortage in
the in the lower tier category um you
know I think cities tend to develop in a
way that concentrate low-income housing
in a particular part of the city that
really promotes um uh you know division
of of of Class by geographic location
that I think we're all consciously
trying to really work on avoiding
because we don't want there to be a good
part of town and a bad part of town and
so I know some of the numbers here don't
necessarily reflect the geographic
diversity of
where where some of that affordable
housing exists and so I'm just wondering
if in in in any of the data that you
collect um you know if it can help
inform City policy on Distributing
affordable housing in all categories in
a more even way so that we are not um
you know promoting the development where
you know where certain social classes
live in certain parts of the city that I
don't think makes for good Community
Development uh personally but just
wondering if there's any data that helps
to inform uh perhaps where new
affordable housing is needed or where
you know it should be constructed um in
a way that kind of more equitably builds
out um populations of people and spreads
folks out across the
city I'll I'll take this this is Caitlyn
Misha from Crescendo thank you
councilman Vasquez um we do within the
larger report and you'll see this again
the large Consolidated plan is about 200
Page report so you'll see a lot more
data that and you'll see a lot more maps
so we do have some maps that show more
of that concentration by census uh track
so you can see some of that data and
certainly we have the capability to do
more mapping as as well so you can see
some of that by sensus track and that it
does at this moment current kind of
housing stock there is more concentrated
probably of that affordable housing
within the older kind of neighborhoods
and more Center of of town versus the
more I could say AB neighborhoods are
probably more on the outskirt so you can
see some of that um current and
certainly that can help inform uh future
decisions as well and I know this kind
of goes into some of the qualitative
research as well where we've talked
about a lot of members talked about um
infield developments with some of that
resistance from the neighborhood so I
think that goes into kind of your
thoughts and feedback here as well some
of that awareness and education within
the community about what affordable
housing what that definition actually is
because I think there's the stigma
around affordable housing being kind of
in quotes kind of the ghetto or the
projects and that's what you don't want
to do so I think there there's larger
kind of conversations within the
community to help kind of combat and
that will help with some of the
diversity with u developing new projects
across the
city thank you I look forward to seeing
that map I think that'd be a great tool
for us to look at when we're thinking
about where to locate these projects um
and and also taking it to consideration
obviously available resources within the
city for uh some other needs um that are
that are pressing for folks to be able
to get to uh safely and within a walking
or biking or or public uh Transportation
distance so um I appreciate it thank you
Scott and Caitlyn uh again for the
presentation and I look forward to
seeing the the final final results and
and recommendations soon thank you so
much thank you councelor at councelor
bomo councelor sort thank you Mr Mayor
um yes thank you very much Caitlyn and
Scott I really appreciate this and all
the work that you've been doing with our
community and and with the council and
with staff I'm very very excited to see
the final report um you know as the
chair of the housing PRC I think we've
been very um honestly overwhelmed in
meeting the challenges that the city's
facing currently with um uh low-income
families and um the housing stock and I
feel like because of challenges are so
big that they must be met with policies
just as bold and big and so um you know
I am excited to really cross sort of
cross reference the data to the
priorities set out in Elevate Los crusis
I think that's going to be critical work
that we do in the PRC and that we bring
back to the entire Council but I am
curious in terms of from your from this
Consulting Group will we get a set of
recommendations from you at the end of
process besides just not besides right
because the data is incredibly important
and necessary for policymaking excuse me
but I'm curious if you will be providing
some of those
recommendations uh thank you
councilwoman Boma this is Caitlyn M from
Crescendo so what's interesting about
the Consolidated plan again HUD provides
us a template of this is what we want
you know it's a very prescribed and and
we've already talked a little bit about
this with other comments here with like
this is what the federal government
wants and they don't want anything else
or like you have to fit within in this
box um but there is some flexibility and
we do plan on providing some potential
strategies or some ideas for that next
step but you know HUD only wants what
HUD wants to do their funding but there
is kind of that next step and I think
you know we want to help bridge that Gap
to get you to the next step and then I
think Natalie and her team will work
with you all and others in the community
to really talk about further strategies
because there are some limitation to the
cdbg and home grants of what you can
kind of can and can't spend that money
on so there is some kind of bridging
that needs to happen but we we are going
to make every effort we can to give you
some ideas and strategies based on the
findings in this report that you can
take forward within the housing
committee and other um committees or
organizations or you know work groups
within the community great well we'll
definitely have um our homework cut up
for us Natalie and and mayor pm and
Council Flores um but I'm really excited
about
having that discussion in in the PRC and
then bringing it back to the council um
for sure you know I did also just want
to point out that in the data well that
you presented early on in one of the
slides um it I think it the demographics
are somewhat the opposite right because
Las Cruses is a minority majority City
yet the majority of respondents in um
and I think it's perhaps what council
the stbi was trying to get at right that
while the respondents were predominantly
white that's not necessarily how that's
not what our community ultimately looks
like right and so I think those things
are important to consider when we um
when we really look at the data and then
what does that mean in The Wider
Community um and that can be for a lot
of things right I mean I think it's
access and equity and who has access to
um um you know feeling like they're more
able to participate other people and in
their government processes and I think
that's a lot of the work that we have to
do certainly as as a council and as a
community but I did want to point that
out um my last question is really about
um wondering if you have in your in your
research of our community in terms of
this specific issue um come
across
um oh how do I phrase this does l crew
the city of Las Cruses as an institution
have the resources and capacity to meet
the growing housing needs in the city as
a whole right that don't just fall the
responsibility is not just on nonprofits
on the shelter right but does the
institution because often I'm like it's
basically just Natalie against the world
right and I and so I want to make sure
that we are well equipped with what we
need as a city in terms of um of meeting
these housing needs so have you come
across sort of any of that
analysis yeah thank you Council Boma
this is Caitlyn mot from Crescendo I'm
certainly not going to speak for Natalie
I'm sure she can provide some answers
but I do think based on working with her
team and some conversations with the
community I do think the housing um
Department within the city might be kind
of underst staffed at the moment so and
and covid of course has skewed
everything so their focus has and and
the focus of many Community
organizations within Las cruset and and
really across the country has been
focused and shifted towards covid that's
kind of the you know Forefront immediate
emerging issue that everyone's dealing
with so some unfortunate issues have
been kind of pushed to the side but I
think Les crues and again this is with
my conversations with everyone in the
community so far I think you have a good
core infrastructure and I think you have
good
people excuse me at the head or in that
leadership position in a lot of these
organizations I find through my
conversations that many of these kind of
what I deem kind of community movers or
shakers or the leaders tend to be a
little younger as well which is a good
thing I know in many places across the
country especially Maine where we are
that a lot of leaders in these
organizations are older and at the point
of retirement so that could be one
potential Challenger barrier you could
come to at some point where you you need
that kind of transition of the young
generation taking on the leadership of
some of these organizations that provide
a lot of those infrastructure and those
resources for the community that there's
that natural transition so nothing is
lost during that time if someone retires
that that organization just doesn't
retire with that person so you want that
kind of handoff within the organization
because that that's where you lose the
institutional knowledge or the resources
so you want to make sure you're keeping
those things going so that there is no
kind of um or delay of of services but I
think overall L crues is a very engaged
Community I think people very very much
care about their Community I think some
of it comes down to some of the
regulatory policy and also some funding
and I think Staffing overall but I think
you're on the right track within the
community um I can tell with all of you
tonight you're very passionate about
housing and with other conversations a
lot of people are which is a which is a
good thing people care about their
community and care about their neighbor
first yeah thank you so much Kaitlyn um
I mean the last thing I'll say is in
terms of that is you know as we're
headed into or have been in sort of
budget
conversations um for the city in
preparation for the next next F fiscal
year that we you know uh wink wink at EO
that this is definitely a huge need in
terms of make sure that we have the
staff at um you know building really
Natalie's team and and that team in
Community Development to meet the needs
the really growing needs of our
community and so I just want to make
sure that um that I don't miss a miss a
moment to really lift that up because I
think um it is you know we've been
talking about a sustainability office
for a long time I personally feel like a
housing department is just as necessary
as something like that um to really like
I said the the the policies that we put
forth regarding housing has to be have
to be just as bold as the challenges in
front of us so thank you
mayor before I get to council stor looks
like Larry had his hand up Larry
Nichols uh yes thank you mayor and City
Council Members Larry Nichols Community
Development team and I wanted to use
that word Community Development team
because uh to answer counselor beno's
question regarding uh does the city have
the capacity or the ability to see uh uh
develop uh more housing and uh I'm going
to be sending you uh the council and the
mayor report in a few days about the
year activity for producing housing uh
you're going to find on the report
that there were
740 single family dwellings and other
commercial projects related to housing
this year that is an all-time high for
about the last 15 to 16 years so uh does
the community the builders the uh
construction Community have the capacity
to do more housing yes they do they just
have to have the resources in order to
enable them to do that and then the
second thing I would like to mention uh
as we're getting to the closing of uh of
this
discussion is that we wanted to bring uh
with our consultant cresendo Consulting
Group uh Kayla and and
Scott uh uh assistant city manager
Enrique is uh uh I told him I want we
had this presentation schedule for
February and uh he had the insight to
say you know what we need to get this to
city council because they have their
strategic uh planning uh Retreat our
Endeavor coming up and a lot of the
information coming out of this report
would be very beneficial to them and as
they uh take on the Endeavor of uh
developing their strategic plan so we
wanted to do that and I'm I'm glad we've
done it uh yes there will be more to
come but I think this uh data and
presentation today will give you a
platform to to work on thank you mayor
thank you Larry okay councelor sord yes
Mr Mayor I thank you uh Crescendo
consultans and uh Kaylin and Scott uh uh
for all this good hard work that you're
doing um what councelor uh Vasquez was
mentioning before about placement of
affordable housing in the city uh I just
want to remind the whole Council and by
the way the whole council's been doing
some great work on uh diving diving into
this whole issue here good good good for
you um what the city council for the
last 11 years has always concentrated on
getting affordable housing located in
new developments uh namely they plan
unit developments that we have in the
city here and so um we're trying I we
have to hold our developers of these new
subdivisions feat to the fire that they
do build this affordable housing uh in
those places and so that we don't have
it concentrated in one place and so I
just wanted to point that out we've been
doing that for 11 years now we got to
keep doing it of course and um good
we're good to go here I am anyway thank
you very much mayor and councel thanks
counselor okay well as uh that was
really great information I have to say
and uh
very utilize this on many the decisions
we be making moving forward so thank you
very much for this I'm just going to ask
EPO um what he what you all needed us
for us to do or was this going to just
be an initial uh up update and then
you're going to going to bring back some
more or what is it that U normally when
we have work sessions it usually leads
to some type of a decision but uh let me
just call on EO to see if he has H
something he'd like to
say we do this every week so he earns
his pay that week so
see mayor and councel I appreciate the
opportunity I I mean I I'll after I just
share a couple thoughts I'll I'll have
uh Natalie or maybe Larry uh Express if
they have any specific asks but yeah I
think the main thing is is presenting
the information we do have a lot of
policies a lot of even organizational
changes and things that are going to
come about as a result of some of this
data um regarding you know some of the
things that we're going to be doing uh I
think one of the main things as Larry
mentioned is that strategic plan that's
coming up uh there's there's going to be
budgetary implications to some of the
what we do with this data we all know I
mean from very beginning we we knew
affordable housing and focus on economic
development to create jobs mental health
all the things that they've that were
were talked about there but this is just
kind of the the data behind that um as
far as specific asss I don't know
Natalie for for for this specific
presentation Natalie or Larry I don't
know if you have any specific asss at
this point yeah Natalie has her hand up
thanks EO yeah you've uh this is some
good stuff when we make um move in that
direction of affordable housing Natalie
you what what did you need from us from
here uh today's presentation uh Mr Mayor
members of council Natalie Green for the
record this is mostly informational we
will take this data um and staff will
work on some goal setting and a
strategic plan for our federal funds and
then we will advertise that plan to the
community at large um to get feedback on
those goals and priorities and it'll
really dictate how we spend that for uh
Federal funding over over the next 5
years so um your continued support and
input through the public process is
really all we need from you uh staff
will will send out that uh survey link
again and then um as you have more input
feel free to reach out to to us very
good okay so uh looks like that will
pretty much conclude I presume is that
right EO we don't have anything else and
uh pretty much ends our our
session so uh with that what's that I
mooved to adjourn I'd like to Mr Mayor
can I raise an issue that I'd
like uh us to discuss in terms of it's a
timely issue I'd like Council to uh
discuss a certain resolution for
Monday's meeting Tuesday's
meeting uh Council B coma we probably
can't discuss that with Council because
it hasn't been advertised and we might
be um
well let me turn to Jennifer Jennifer
Council bomo has an issue she'd like to
discuss that I don't think we've
discussed yet um I don't necessarily
want to discuss it but I wanted since I
know that you have your agenda setting
meeting today that I think it's a timely
issue that I I'd like to propose a
resolution to discuss for next regular
meeting yeah I as I mentioned it's
probably best that you discuss it at our
council meeting so that the the memb of
the council can hear it and if the
majority wants to put it on the agenda
we can do that but uh have they don't
even know what it's about um and we to
to discuss it now really is probably
inappropriate because we're it's not on
it's not on the
agenda um I mean I I hear you right and
and I'm certainly still trying to figure
out how to get things on the agenda
whether it's you know
Mr Mayor you choose to put it or or the
council has consensus and I'm just
because it's timely given it's related
to what mayor proem her her statements
at the beginning of the meeting today
and so
um I think it's a timely issue yeah no I
understand but it's uh we you know this
is a process that the other council
members follow and I think we need to
stay consistent in that um and then to
have it discussed right now when it
hasn't been advertised think would be
ill advised to
do okay thank you okay so it's motion
made by counselor Sor to adjourn do we
have a
second so moved by florus second by
florus uh Christine can you call the
vote please mayor if I if I may ask one
quick question before we wrap up here
second uh just in the in terms of the
process of uhu putting uh you know I
know that during regular Council
meetings when we bring up uh uh items
for discussion during uh Council
comments that those comments uh usually
even if they includes talk about a
resolution aren't advertised either um
right and so I'm just wondering what the
difference is between a regular council
meeting in a work session and bringing
up comments that weren't advertised on a
agenda yeah so in the in the city
council meeting there's a specific
portion for counselor comments which
there is none in this uh typically then
the council members are given a kind of
like a skeleton um idea of what it is
that they want to discuss and you know
that's kind of where the consensus comes
from so councelor bomo was welcome next
council meeting to um maybe have uh
Christine have it and at the time we
have Council comments and they can send
a quick email everyone can see what it
is she wants to talk about and then if
it looks like the majority of you you
want that on the on the um on the um
council meeting for a vote then we'll
have it
placed okay thank you mayor that helps
and regarding you know when we want to
bring a resolution up for um
consideration or placement on the agenda
um you know when we're in person we
could we could physically distribute
that um to the council members but uh in
this virtual environment what is the
appropriate way to do that during a
council meeting uh would that be
distribution via email um uh during the
council meeting once it's brought up uh
what are your thoughts on that probably
give that to eepo or Christine probably
EPO and then he'll have Christine at the
time then when Council comments are
coming up probably send out an email at
that time and that way they're they can
they can discuss it at that
moment okay thank you man I appreciate
the clarification wanted to to make sure
we're all on the same page so thank you
so much mayor as long as we're talking
about this I would be in favor of adding
to work sessions a comment period at the
end for the council too in the
future
okay all right um mayor protim do you
have a hand up I do mayor thank you I I
just want to
clarify so during this virtual
environment it would not be a rolling
Quorum if the DAT of the person like say
for example I forward a resolution I
speak to you prior to that and you
say bring it to council it could be done
in two ways public comment excuse me um
counselor comment at the end but if it's
a timely thing are you saying that we
can email everybody the resolution at
that point no no I said send it to I
send it to EPO is what I mentioned
yeah
and of us well at the time of council
comments he probably would have
Christine send it
out minutes before we start our Council
comments before Council comment okay you
know you know how I mean we have an idea
of when it's going to happen usually
there's a process and then send it out
right as uh you know like usually I
start the comments right so Christine
can send it out right there then let's
say you have something you want to say
say well Christine probably just emailed
you just minutes ago and um so I mean if
it's something there that that I want to
have on the agenda then yeah I can put
it on there but I've had my discussion
with councelor bomo um and I don't feel
it's uh appropriate right now now if she
can and the majority of you choose to do
that but you know that'll be for the
next Council
meting I will I'll do what you are
suggesting mayor thank you mayor
okay so Christine you want to call the
uh vote roll call
please this is on the motion to adjourn
the work session councelor bet
sty
yes councelor
Vasquez councelor bomo yes councelor Sor
yes councelor fles
yes caner Gand yes mayor yes okay we're
adjourned it's 5:46 p.m. so um I'll
still stay on Christine but uh rest of
you you're welcome to listen in if not
I'll see you guys uh
soon you have a meeting tonight don't
you councelor
FLOTUS or no oh I thought she did
she ran oh yeah six
o'cl okay I'm ready when you are okay
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