mr
okay good afternoon everybody welcome to
the work session of las cruces city
council today is monday april
26 2021 approximately 101 pm
before we begin if you please join me in
the pledge of allegiance please
pledge allegiance to the flag of the
united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation
under god indivisible with liberty and
justice
okay so uh for those of you who joined
us for a work session we're actually
going to start with our tip board which
is our tax increment
development district which is uh
pertains primarily to the downtown area
and so we have one item
which is the approval of the minutes
from january 25th
2021 so i'll need a motion and a second
please
somo second
yes second by board member studies
okay emotion made by board member
vasquez second by board member flores is
there any questions
scene none christine
this is on the motion to approve the tid
board meeting minutes from january 25th
2021 board member abeda stuby
yes board member vasquez
yes board member ben cuomo
yes board member sork
board member sork
he's i don't think he's on the media now
okay
i'll just put him as absent board member
flores
yes board member gandara
yes and chair yes
okay so now we're going to go to
discussion discussion
items and the first one is going to be
the tid operational overview
by a presentation by chris faber
good afternoon mr chair members of the
tid board
chris faber with economic development i
put together a presentation i'm going to
share my screen and turn my camera off
because it's creating a lag
already so let me get that started
okay everyone see the screen
yes okay okay so we're gonna do
something a little bit different than
previous
meetings we're going to
break this presentation down into three
parts i'm going to give
all three parts but what we thought we
would do is start with
a tid operational overview give a little
bit of background about how the tid
operates
then briefly go over the current tid
funded projects
and then lastly move into proposed
future projects which we have aligned
with all of the council priorities
that as we go through the presentation
how we've taken our recommendation and
tied it with with council's priorities
for each one of these different options
and then i'll be given the presentation
but i have a huge supporting cast here
to help answer questions so economic
development sustainability public works
facilities finance and treasury are all
available
so we'll jump right in so briefly
so the tid is created under the
authority of the state of new mexico's
tax
incremental increment for development
act
and it's important to look at the tid
not as a geographic area
but as a funding mechanism which which
helps develop revenues which will then
go back into
projects reinvested in the tid
and those are revenues generated from
property taxes
and from grt and it's for projects like
construction maintenance operation
public infrastructure things like that
and the boundaries of the tid here's a
quick map for everyone
um picacho and el paseo main street on
the north and south ends
campo and alameda on the east and west
side
so how does the tid work so basically
how it works is there's
three separate baselines that were
created based on
grt property taxes and
county taxes and their the baselines are
set on an annual basis
and these were established when the tid
was established
and so every dollar so of every dollar
that's collected above the baseline
75 percent goes to in back
is reinvested back into the tid and the
remaining 25
goes back into either grt or property
taxes
and you can see the various baseline
amounts that were established so for grt
baseline
3.4 million county property taxes a
little over 200 000
city property taxes just a little shy of
eighty thousand dollars
so um if the tid does not exceed that
baseline
then no revenues are collected and also
if it doesn't exceed the baseline the
tid does not have to repay the general
fund it's just
no no revenues go into the tid
there was a state contribution that
ended in 2018
and that was based on the bonding that
was established at the time
and so that has expired currently the
only funds that are paying into the tid
are local grt and property taxes
and we put together um a little
history here of the funding um from f
from fiscal year to fiscal year to show
you um
how things have progressed since about
fy14 and you can see
around about fy 18 when the state's
contribution ended
you can see that the revenues decreased
substantially
so where we were generating a couple
million dollars a year
we are now you know substantially less
than that
somewhere around uh 500 000 for last
fiscal year
um and about 455 000
as of april for this fiscal year
we did the same thing to show you
monthly collections from this fiscal
year so you can see
july through april um how the different
amounts have come in
and then what we did was using the same
2.5
increase that was used to do grt
projections we use that same percentage
to try and do projections
for the tid moving forward so you can
see our projections
um for the remainder of this fiscal year
and then for fy22
through fy25 and these are revenues over
baseline so once the baseline has been
established in all three of those
categories
these are the revenues that we're
projecting to make beyond that
so i want to talk a little bit about the
three different funds that are within
the tid
here's a brief overview with all of the
balances
and then i'll go into more specifics
with each one but currently there's
about 5.2 million dollars total
between the three different funds 2815
4270 and 42.71
and on these next slides i'll explain in
a little more detail
what those funds mean
so fund 2815 is for revenues and
operations
so any revenues that are collected from
that that feed into the tid go into this
particular fund
this is also where the money gets paid
back
for the hold harmless grt money that was
borrowed for the
amador hospitality project and
this is the only obligation to the
general fund from the tid
and you can also see that we put up a
little chart here explaining the
breakdown
of repayment over the next five fiscal
years
and so funds 4270 and 4271 deal with
capital projects 4270 is unrestricted
and it's still for capital projects
whereas fund 4271
is restricted and specifically for
tid street projects and we'll show you
down in some other slides how we
how we're projecting to use those
remaining funds so of the three funds
it's important to recognize that one of
them is for
the revenues two of them are for capital
and of those two capital
one of them is specifically for street
projects
and so now go into a quick overview of
some of the current
tid projects
we have the campo street redesign study
the parking lot 7 bathrooms and
landscape project
and the online permitting
so first compost street redesign study
so
money came from the tid about 400 000
was budgeted moles incorporated excuse
me moles and corbin and associates
were contracted out to perform this
study and they were looking at cultural
impact
architecture landscaping lighting
traffic control ada all those various
elements
with the idea of trying to make compost
street more
pedestrian friendly and make it look and
feel like it's more a part of downtown
there was a stakeholders meeting the
first of which which was held in january
and then we actually have another one
scheduled for this
thursday april 29th so after the public
meetings
they will put together their report the
report will be
due to the tidboard sometime this summer
and then the idea is that the design
work will follow next about six to eight
months to complete
roughly about 10 percent of construction
costs and the estimated construction
of this particular project would be
about two million dollars
the other current tid project that's
going on is parking lot
seven it is budgeted at around half
a million dollars um currently we're
waiting on a notice to proceed
uh which will be in the early part of
may and they'll be
completing this in august and we there
was a little bit of a
delay in this because we went back and
had public works
look at fitting a larger restroom
facility into that space
so we will be doubling the capacity than
what is currently there
now and so all now that all those
changes have taken place
we should be moving forward with this
project very shortly
and then lastly the online permitting
process which i've been working with the
developer on to complete
and we're currently just waiting for the
public health order to
allow public mass gatherings in order
for this system to
go into effect
okay so now we're going to move into the
heart of this project which is the
proposed future
funding priorities and so again i just
want to reiterate that
when we were coming up with these ideas
we took a look at what council's
priorities were
the things that they really wanted to
achieve and then we set out to find
projects that we could align with those
that could that could best meet the
needs of the
of the tid and of council
and so we've identified four different
projects
um the business incubator which i'll
talk to you about in some detail here in
a minute
the amador hotel restoration um
campbell street redesign and
construction and then lastly the plaza
shade structure
so we'll start with the business
incubator program and this is the
program
economic development is is really
excited about
we've been talking about this for
several months
um had to put it on hold a little bit
for some other projects we were working
on internally but we really started
working on this
in detail the last couple months
and the idea is to really just create a
business hub that will catalyze economic
growth
and be accessible to the local community
maybe in the heart of downtown
we feel it would be great not only for
city of las cruces but
specifically for downtown uh currently
we are working with purchasing to
finalize
the contract for a feasibility study
that study will allow us to
hone in on a specific area of focus that
that the community will support and that
we feel there's a there's a demand for
and it'll also help us create a business
plan that will allow the
incubator to function in its highest
capacity
in addition to the to the incubator side
of things will be
a retail co-op space and this will allow
local businesses entrepreneurs
and underserved communities have access
to a retail space
for them to try to move into that to
that phase of their business
we will be working with purchasing to
finalize an
rfp specifically for the retail co-op
that will be
for operations as well as putting
together a business plan
to run the co-op
and so where we are proposing to put
this would be
in the building that's located at 100
south church street
um at the corner of grigson maine um
it is uh directly south of the
stage on the plaza we feel this building
is a perfect location for the incubator
it's literally in the heart of downtown
from a retail side of things the outdoor
space plus the storefront would be
excellent opportunities for the for the
retail participants
and it also has a built-in
kitchen facility which would allow us to
incorporate a kitchen incubator into
this program
so what we are proposing is a budget of
of 1 million dollars
with the purchase price of the building
not to exceed 900 000
and leave a little bit of money left
over for remodeling
next up is the amador hotel renovations
so independent of future funding there
are currently two
projects that are going on at the amador
one is the
interior demo trying to take out all the
the the
the more modern elements inside there
the the the studs in the wall some of
the wiring some of that kind of stuff
um and then the renovation of the west
side exterior
completion of both of these projects is
due in the fall and it would also
allow the city to open up opportunities
for
um federal and state grants for historic
structures
and once these projects are done then we
then we can we can finalize the
certification
for for national historic registry so so
once the building is certified historic
it opens up a whole different
option for funding for historic
buildings
and so we're proposing an element of the
fund be put towards this
and we've also created um a phased
approach
to complete the construction of the
amador
and so i just want to say right off the
bat that we're going to be coming back
to you guys in june with the very
detailed work session
on on this approach but i just sort of
want to give you the
the 30 000 foot view of what this would
look like so
about 5 million renovation costs we're
proposing part of that come from some of
the tid funds and i'll show you how in a
minute
and then we would prioritize the project
on the cip for state
of new mexico capital appropriations and
this plan would help us get the facility
completed um within the next five to six
fiscal years
and it could be completed sooner
obviously if we get additional funds
from the historic
uh registry or from
the state of new mexico
lastly is or not lastly there's one more
project but next is the campo street
redesign
and so this would allow the funds that
are in
42.71 which are specifically for street
projects this money would go to
pay for that construction design and
what would happen is once we have that
design completed it would allow for
faster completion of the project when
there's funds available for the actual
construction down the road
so lastly we have the plaza shade
structure
and so over the last few months city
staff has been working to
identify city-owned properties where we
could take the electricity generated
from the plaza
and apply it to those other facilities
and so we've got two different options
we could go here one would be to use
solar panels on a portion of the shade
structure
that would produce enough electricity to
power adjacent city properties like for
example municipal court
the other option would be to um
use more solar power you know more more
panels on the plate
on the shade structure and this would
create an excess of energy
which might be able to serve other
other private businesses downtown via
the community solar initiative
and so we will be working with the
designers to come up with
options for both of those and what
retrofits would be required to accompany
that
also been working with el paso electric
to identify peak consumption
of the adjacent properties that will be
served
and then community solar is an option
and that's being explored where the clc
might choose to become a utility
provider for private properties within
downtown
so that that is obviously an option
so now move into the funding options for
these projects
and again just reiterating that we tied
all these in with priorities and we'll
show you how we did that
so a few assumptions going in um
we're we're using this money with the
idea that
the future um revenues generated are
based on those projections that those
five years
projections and so what that does is it
allows for about
250 to 500 000 a year
beyond this fiscal year to be spent and
still pay back the commitment to the
general fund
so option one would be to um
include four different projects doing
plaza shade
at about one million dollars and this
would be uh plaza shade with no solar
and you can see that we've identified
all the different priorities that this
lines up with
um included in this would be the
downtown business incubator
at about a million dollars using the
money and fund 50 4271
to complete the campo street redesign
plans
and then allocating five hundred
thousand dollars in
out of these funds and five hundred
thousand dollars out of
fy23 to put towards the amador hotel
renovations
these options here are three million
dollars out of the current
uh fiscal year and um looking at five
hundred thousand dollars
in fy23
and this meets 13 city council strategic
priorities
option 2 is plaza shade with solar so
that ups the budget to 1.5 million
still keeps the business incubator at a
million dollars
five hundred thousand dollars still for
the compost redesign
and then it pushes the amador hotel
funding to just the fy
23 component so it's still
three million dollars out of this fiscal
year five hundred thousand dollars in fy
23.
option three is just the amador hotel
at 1.5 million the downtown business
incubator at 1 million
and 500 thousand dollars for the
campbell street redesign
again this totals 3 million all three of
these met
13 of the city council strategic
priorities
and again just to sort of reiterate some
things we kept
the spending at about three million
dollars that way we could pay back the
two and a half million dollars to the
general fund
and this allows for about 250 to 500 000
in funding for future projects through
the next few fiscal years
and then we have a summary of all of the
options here um for you to review
and that is basically the presentation i
will open it up now for discussions
and i can leave this summary of options
up on the screen
or go back to any of the other slides
that you would need
thanks thanks chris
questions um for yourself
can someone someone go on
okay good uh before i begin let me just
uh
welcome uh commissioner shannon reynolds
to our meeting he's uh
an ex-officio member but we value your
input
commissioner and anytime you have a
question
if you can raise your hand that'd be
great
before i get to counselor sorg who's
first
chris i just have a quick question on
the shade when you talk about the solar
or no solar
is there a general idea of how much
we spend in electricity in the downtown
plaza do you have that by any chance
that information
mayor this is tony trevino i can help
answer that okay chris um
so that is what we're trying to uh mayor
this is 20
23 million with public works all right
the um
we are trying to reach out to our pastor
electric right now to find that
historical data for beauty court and
then
the other meters that are situated
within the downtown area
some of those are the street lights the
uh park amenities
i mean the plaza amenities the splash
pad and so forth we're trying to get
that demand
of what is being has been utilized in
the past
so when we do design this shape
structure we are designed to the
what's being demanded right now uh by
the city facilities
and then if not if you want to pursue it
further then we'll look at
additional access if you want to provide
later yeah the reason why i asked
tony is um in case council brings us up
i figure we'll just get out of the way
right now
is what if we were to as staff looked at
entering into a third party agreement
regarding
solar that way there we don't have to
pay for the solar the third party does
they get the tax advantages and then we
get of course
reduced rates and then we don't have to
add another half a million to the solar
has staff looked at that do you know um
mayor this is tony trevino again uh that
has been discussed
uh we've had some conversations with
miss lisa rock
um on this item um once we do get
the the architect on board because um
we kind of have some visual and kind of
aesthetic items that we want to make
part of this chase structure also so it
doesn't affect any of the
visuals to the stage and so forth so we
once we get the architect on board we
can definitely bring in
one of the uh others uh mresco or third
third party to kind of work to the
situation see what would be the better
route for the city
okay plus of course you need to know how
much we're spending right now to
see if it's uh if the savings would be
enough to pay the debt service
yes okay so let's go ahead and go with
the council it's councillor sword
vasquez
thank you mr mayor and uh thank you
chris for
that presentation um i'd like to go back
to the slide
on the amador hotel the first one there
was a couple
so i'd like to see the first one i don't
remember the number
do you want the breakdown counselor they
have all three in a row
that kind of compares them all or do you
want no i
for several years maybe going back to a
decade ago
the old communist building that is now
the rad retrocade downtown
uh i think was supposed to be exactly
what we are talking about today a
business incubator with retail space
um especially i think thinking about
those small vendors
that we often see at the farmer's market
and then having a permanent place
for them to actually have um small shops
where folks could go into i think was a
concept that
it's been around for some time and so
i'm glad to see that it's made a
comeback i always thought that was a
great
um idea so my first
uh few set of questions here are around
the business
incubator um at first i'm just wondering
more
about the concept um the the actual
location for
where this incubator might be if there's
been property that's been identified
to house this um any other
more you know just more details in terms
of how many
uh retail tenants there might be uh
what the incubation part of this looks
like is it a private
public partnership um
you know any anything else that that um
uh
might be relevant to making this
decision between options two and
or options one and three uh regarding
the business incubator facility
and that might be a question for chris
or uh dr martinez
whoever so counselor you wanted to know
if the building had been identified
where it would be yes i just want to
know more about the building itself how
many tenants would be in there
um what the private public partnership
might look like if the city's going to
run this by itself it would be
partnering with the arrowhead center
or or um yeah what type of development
of
of this the pretty uh what that might
look like
all right mr mr chair uh chair uh board
member vasquez um
this is chris favor economic development
again so
what we are looking for and what we are
proposing is to purchase the building uh
located at the corner of griggs and
maine currently it is a church
that is right there behind the the um
plaza
the stage and it has that really great
outdoor space it's got great
space right along main street and so we
think this would be a perfect location
for this program so we we don't have a
lot of the details established yet
because we're getting ready to do the
feasibility study that will
hopefully give us more information but
the idea is that
it could be a mixed use facility it does
have a kitchen in the back so we could
start the kitchen incubator program as
well
there's a lot of open space in the
middle the outdoor space which does
accommodate the
retail elements of this and so
we're hoping that as we go through the
process we can we can specifically focus
on um the areas of interest that would
be most applicable for
for the community and and both work out
the mixed use side of things the
co-worker space
and the retail side so um i know dr
martinez is on the line there if she
wants to add anything to this
yes uh mayor and council can you hear me
yes
mayor and council um good afternoon
grisela martinez economic development
director for the record
um mayor and councilor vazquez
as mr fever mentioned we
are launching a disability study for the
areas that we have thought of possible
here
there are four main different
quote-unquote concentrations one could
be a kitchen incubator
that we're actually working into a grant
proposal currently
to go to the economic development
administration if we
were to get those fundings uh that would
be the
the first one to launch if not
we would continue with the original
approach
which is to do the mix use which
includes
evaluation of a kitchen incubator um
trades type of uh businesses
also um manufacturing
or like something related to
crafts and and the like and then
the last one would be creative
industries which would tie
really nicely into the arts and cultural
district
um the potential partnerships we could
have with
other community organizations such as
creative
las cruces las cruces creatives i'm
sorry and the like
uh for the programming of it we would
definitely
partner with community members and
organizations
one of them is it's already our partner
which is zero head center
we have um when we started looking at
the
grant proposal for for the eba
we reached out to them and also to dr
nancy flores who's an extension agent
at nmsu the college of agriculture
and we could potentially launch even
without
right now with borrowing some space
that already exists in town at nmsu or
dacc for a first cohort on the
on the value-added agriculture type of
business
so it would be an extension to the
partnerships that we have in place
um and and the feasibility study would
allow us to really
evaluate the the volume of potential
users
what would be the optimization um
of of the use of the space and
uh we definitely see the vision of of
this building
shall um the tip board approve the
purchase
to have a four uh store front on the
main
side of the building and and
and then moving to the other elements
with the rest of the building
um it has a mr
favor mentioned the outside area and we
could see that also
being part of of the space
available for entrepreneurs but also for
customers who may
be uh purchasing items uh
from the storefront so we are very
excited i think it would
um bring a lot of different elements
to the work that the economic
development department is doing
in partnership with community members
and not-for-profit organizations
but also we really envision this
incubator
as an entry point to any entrepreneur
to access resources so mr mayor
thank you dr thank you
thank you chris thank you dr martinez uh
this is
this is wonderful i mean i think to some
degree
when we talked about doing some type of
welcoming
um area i think we call it the mile
gracias room at the
city hall downtown it was also meant to
be
a place where entrepreneurs or people
that had questions about
starting a business could go and get you
know direct
information from the city as well as
resources of other
uh places like chambers and business
startup
organizations to get this type of
assistance so this is like taking it to
the next level
i think having that retail space
available
is really important when we first we you
know started redoing downtown
that was one of my fears is that we we
still had too many
too many commercial properties that were
not retail or commercial in nature
there's a lot of churches obviously
and office space which is which is fine
you need a mix of all of those but
this is a really premier building to
turn into a retail
kind of walk-in opportunity um that
exists
on days that are not just the farmers
market or other special events downtown
so i i love the idea of it being an
interactive mixed-use space
where you have vendors but you also have
that office space maybe i'm guessing on
the second floor
um i think in terms of the return on
investment that
out of all these three projects i think
this one to me seems
the one i'd want to invest in the most
and because it has both a social impact
it has an economic impact
and it helps to increase the visibility
for
for vendors um that are starting up that
gives them a ready
uh made customer base folks who are
walking downtown already
um to be able to purchase their their
goods and those those kinds of things so
um i would say if we could go back to
the page with
options i think option two i believe uh
chris um was the one that focused on
both the solar
and and the uh the business incubator
has the primary investment opportunities
yeah let me get to those real quick uh i
remember vasquez this i apologize the
lag is so bad on this end here
no problem no problem here let me just
go to the slide
that has all three of the options
condensed so we can see
um there we go okay
okay thank you for that um uh yes and
absolutely the plaza shade is is super
important to me as well i think
uh this community solar um that just
passed this year we have so many new
tools at our disposal i feel like
that we are just gonna begin to explore
um with some of the new laws that were
passed in this last legislator for for
economic development opportunities
and so i i think i fully support the
plaza shade structure
with a community um solar
option whatever that looks like either
just for city buildings or for
um surrounding uh uh properties
i think that is just a really cool
opportunity that says as a city that
we're walking the walk we're not just
you know
we're we're both we're both generating
sustainable energy
using the community solar act and then
hopefully benefiting the downtown
community
in in one significant way or another so
i think
that is a great opportunity the business
incubator again i think provides a
greater return on investment
as i see it personally right now than
perhaps the amador
hotel does um and so i i
i would just preliminarily um say
option two is it would be my my
preferred um
options how to spend this three million
dollars on the tip thank you mayor thank
you chris
thank you counselor who's next
counselor bait the stewie
thank you mayor um and thank you chris
for these
options um and for the presentation
um one of the questions that
i have been asking and getting more
education on
has that has been that of the amador
hotel
and um just to kind of see where we're
at with it
uh the one thing that i don't like is
having unfinished projects or
responsibilities and this
is one of those items that feel is um
you know our responsibility as a city
but it's unfinished
in looking at those next steps um
with that in mind uh and i'll bring it
up for the rest of my counselors and i
know i've talked about this
um before to a couple of them um but
it reminds me a lot of what los alamos
has
in fuller lodge um which is now it's art
cultural center um but it's used as a
venue place too
um and kind of part of the community
there's not a lot of places for people
to go and
get married or have those types of um
events so the fuller lodge is usually
used for about all of them
um and so looking in seeing what the
functionality of this building might be
and then also our obligations um
that's sort of what i imagine in my mind
for a place like the amador
offhand but um i did want to clarify
uh with chris um
how we have the obligation to this um
building and i know that there are
stipulations
on um us even selling
the building if there was ever a
possibility that would we would owe
money as well um and i don't know if you
have that number
on what that uh obligation would be
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mr chair uh board member stevie i chris
favor from economic development i i
don't have that information
um dr martinez may have that or tony
with public works may have that but i i
don't have that exact figure
okay um
and then secondly um i am also i think
that
the most exciting project is that of the
incubator
um and i'm very excited to see what that
has
in all honesty my top options here
are either three first or option one
um i would prefer
us finishing up obligations and projects
just before we start new items um
and that's our personal preference but i
am
uh open um
to hearing more from my colleagues but i
am very excited to hear
about the incubator and the idea that it
can have
a um kitchen is i think so important
um because that is one of i think a lot
of the
the limitations for home-based
businesses with the food industry is
having that commercial kitchen and all
the necessary
um licensing for it so
it would be a really great benefit um
and i hope that we're working
with perhaps even our um
some of the non-profits that work with
food um
training like casa de para grinos i
believe tries to do food education
and perhaps teaching and helping people
to
make their own
um food so
those are just ideas in the future thank
you mayor
thank you before i get to council ben
cuomo chris let me ask you something
is there a timeline that this money has
to be spent by
or you just you just packaged it this
way
mr chair chris favor for the record um
no we just packaged it this way what we
wanted to do was
was try and spend um the bulk of the
money on on some of these projects that
align with council priorities
um all the while leaving the money in
there that needs to be paid back but but
i
okay there may be some limitations on on
spending the money and fun 4271 but the
rest of it is at your discretion for the
time
okay i just want to let the council know
that theoretically there could be
even an option for and that is to do the
shade the downtown computer and the
compost street design and then come back
have a work session on amador i really
think it's important
that we know how much we're willing to
spend total
in in the amador you know because
first i used to hear a council said you
know million tops then maybe two million
um and we i think we just need to we
need to get an idea of what this is
going to be
as you recall for the members of the
public and even for info on ikani and
probably eric remembers this this was
the county managers
complex long long time ago it is true i
did have a little tiny office in there
uh but i i i exited because uh i was
afraid it was gonna fall
so uh no i i needed i i gave it to the
staff
but uh county didn't want it um
really the city didn't want it because
there's just a lot of renovations in it
and so it's a it's going to take several
millions of dollars
and so i just think it's i'm not saying
and i'm supportive of it i just
but i i don't know to what extent um
because i think it's important that we
know how much money
uh we're gonna put into that that's just
just an option
so counselor um bank home
thank you mr chair um yes thank you so
much chris for
and dr martinez for the presentation i
am
as my colleagues have said i was left as
equally excited about the business
incubator
um honestly that's just i just feel like
that's really forward thinking and
i'm i'm very excited you all brought
that forth
um yeah i have a couple follow-up
questions around it just because i love
so excited and even just to um
counselor at abita stewie's point i have
seen
so many home-based businesses pop up in
the last year
probably you know i'm sure the pandemic
pushed forks to do that whether they had
plans to
begin a business or not you know there
was there's just this
growth in home-based businesses from
desserts to candy
to and trust me i know these personally
because i love
all of those things and so um but i've
just
seen an increase and i cannot imagine
what
a retail space like this could look like
for some of those home-based businesses
who could set up shop there for the
weekends for the farmers market
and um just how much visibility that
could bring to
so many um young entrepreneurs and i
don't just mean young
in age but i just mean young and
experienced and um
and what a incubator like this could do
i'm curious about um
i'm curious about the feasibility study
i
i cancer vasquez has said this in the
past before i often
something i've learned being a city
counselor is that we are often doing
contractors and consultants and these
kinds of things and
and i know that you all are very
incredibly talented at economic
development i'm curious
what the feasibility study um
what you hope to that will i know you
said that it'll hopefully
solidify a focus area but i'm just
curious in terms of
um you know is that not an option that
you can do internally
chair um board member ben cuomo chris
faber from economic development so
believe it or not griselda and i were
actually going down this road
uh a while ago and we happened to just
talk to someone who who's familiar with
this industry
is familiar with the process of
feasibility studies and they highly
encouraged us to
to take this extra step just to make
sure that we're looking at all the
different options we're seeing all the
different things that are out there
and also to help them have them help us
build the business plan which would make
it more successful so
there's so many moving parts um and as
we went through the process it was
we were learning new things all the time
and and realizing things that we needed
to incorporate so
it should be a pretty quick turnaround
period of time 60 to 90 days once it
gets done
we feel it's an opportunity to to make
sure we're not missing anything but also
to hear from a lot of the stakeholders
that will be involved give them an
opportunity to find
suggestions and ways for for them to be
a part of this so
i think it's a great opportunity for for
everyone involved to sort of
get on the same page make sure we're all
moving in the same direction
and then specifically the business plan
will really help us hit the ground
running
uh so we know exactly what we need to do
so that when we're ready to open the
facility there isn't isn't that lag so
as much as we wanted to move faster we
thought it was best to do this one extra
step to make sure we don't miss
something
and and not realize it until it's too
far down the road
okay yeah i understand that for sure and
i appreciate that context chris i'm glad
you guys have
thought about that as well i'm curious
in terms of
the budget you're proposing for the 1
million for the business incubator
um so you said it was for the purchase
of the building to not exceed 900 000
with extra for possible renovations one
one my question is how many do you
expect a lot of renovations i've never
been inside that building
um i'm curious and then two
what about the budget to actually run
the business incubator when
like where is that funding going to come
from is it from the tid
what what will then that look like
um mr chair uh board member ben como so
yes so the the one million that we're
proposing would would go towards
the building most of it we're in the
process of doing an appraisal so we can
get that exact amount
the remainder of that money would go
towards the renovations
and part of that would come from the
feasibility study so we would know how
to
the building is internally is in great
shape but whether there needs to be
improvements to
accommodate the incubator is what we
would be finding out during the
feasibility so
there will be some um renovations that
need to be made
just to make it more conducive for the
incubator
the grant that dr martinez was talking
about before does have a budget attached
to it so if we get
that money there's there's money
specifically for that if we don't go
that route
i know within the the budget for the
economic development department
that we've we've put proposed funds for
the next fiscal year
um for the operations of the of the
business incubator so we've got a couple
different things we're looking at
uh it just sort of depends on on what
happens down the road
okay okay well to me though that is a
project worth investing in
um you know i think when we talk about
priorities and when we talk about
um where is the city right now and what
are the things that we really want to
focus on to me
something like a business incubator is
something i would definitely advocate
to invest in the long term regardless of
a grant or not i think that's really
important
um let me just check my notes real quick
yeah and you know just before i move on
to sort of what options i prefer
last thing on link on the incubator um
just last week at the el paseo solano ad
hoc committee meeting you know we had
david chavez come in and there was a you
know mention of
the lack of grocery stores in the
downtown area in el paseo solano area
and i can't even i can imagine i can see
something like this business incubator
really being
a place where someone can come in and
say like i want to open a grocery store
downtown i want to
be able to open a place that can have
produce
and groceries for the people who live
downtown who don't have to go for more
than
a mile or two um i feel like this is a
really big opportunity so
to me this feels really exciting um
last week um just um i want to give a
shout out and i apologize chris maybe
you can help me with there's a
couple ladies who took us on the tour of
the amador hotel counselor baby stevie
and i
and um uh tony trevino was there and dr
martin athenas were there
um and they sort of gave us a tour that
was my first time doing that i will
i have to say and i left
the tour somewhat frustrated um because
i
feel like you know for a long time i've
been saying like
no no no like that's a lot of money i
don't necessarily think that that's
the best use of public dollars but i
love frustrated because
the city owns this building and
now we have this we have this
responsibility
either we let it go and get dilapidated
or we make it into something um and i
felt frustrated because it's an
expensive project and when i think about
priorities and where money should be
invested i don't necessarily think of
that as one of them
however um you know just to counsel
aveda stevie's point
like that an unfinished project and now
what's our responsibility to finish it
as opposed to it just be lingering
um and again that's absolutely no um
not a dismissal of the incredible like
knowledge and work that a lot of folks
have done around
the amador hotel for sure and preserving
that history
um for me if i'm being completely honest
at this point
the shade structure project is the least
of my priorities
um again i think i mentioned this the
first time we talked about the
shape structures that i probably would
have been one of the people to vote no
shade
at all um you know i as i think about it
we have like four structures
that will provide shade then you have to
have four squares
four separated squares of shade where if
you have an event
people will congregate so then you just
have this dispersed
audience which i think will be awkward
and i don't know at the end of the day i
feel like
we live in the southwest if you're gonna
plan to be outside you should plan for
it to be
sunny and hot and hot um but
you know as i think about this three
million dollars and where to invest it
um to me it's about brick and mortar
projects
right like campo street um design
definitely the incubator and at this
point you know i do want to do that work
session on the amador because i do want
to ultimately understand
there's been a lot of numbers thrown
around um
and i want to ultimately understand what
that cost will be
um but at this point so the for me those
are
the biggest priorities i guess maybe
option one and three are best i
it's hard for me to conceptualize
shade costing more than
the business incubator given the impact
that
business incubator can have on our
community versus shade
and so um you know that's sort of
you know when we think about smart
investments and investments that are
going to ensure
there is a long lasting impact um
to me that's where it matters compostry
and the incubator
um so i don't know if there can be a
fourth option i know i'm sure you've all
thought of these
through um and i know that i'm on the
minority when it comes to the shape so
um obviously i will support it if it's
in front of me um but i just
wanted to give my two cents um and i
don't
actually have any other questions mayor
thank you
thank you mayor pro tem
thank you mayor um thanks chris and dr
martinez
i got a brief a briefing a sneak peek if
you will
a few weeks ago and so i was super
excited about
the various priorities um and especially
i echo you know what my
colleagues have said about the business
incubator i think that is incred
gonna be incr a game changer especially
in that area
um i do i do wanna um just make sure
that
we're in sync um with some of the other
um programs and projects
you know this this idea of a kitchen
incubator isn't new
it has been tossed around um
quite a bit early on um when i first got
elected
april christensen who now manages kids
can through community action agency was
doing
actually quite a lot around studying
this
had hired a consultant and so although
some you know a few years old i think
it's it's um
incredibly important that we reach out
to those organizations that have already
laid the groundwork because i think it's
there and it's one thing that
i do hear often about um you know with
the city
is is like we sort of go off on on
our our business and um forget about
coordinating and collaborating with
others or that's at least a perception
and i don't want that to be that so um
you know counselor vasquez and i have
been working with kristin aggie
reservation
is a priority then it isn't a priority
and and so
i i um i like mayor's idea i think it's
a great a great one
um in relation to having a work a work
session
um but um
it's so so i think one of the things
that is
important is that there are
there are a lot of steps that need to
occur and
in order to understand
um sort of the phases
if you will that you know that need to
happen um
and i think there is this
consultant that's sort of looking at
okay what really needs to happen
and once that happens then we can phase
out those things so
it is a costly it can be a very costly
endeavor but a very important one
um and i i hear you about
sort of these um
sort of projects that are that get left
um
on the table and not complete but this
is a big project so if we're not
interested this is like
i'm not going to even quote the amount
of money that i think it's going to be
i think that's left for folks that have
have the expertise um but i
i this is definitely a priority of mine
i think it needs to happen
um but i also think the shade structure
and the solar so
um is something that i i wanna i wanna
pitch for so at least
i think um option two is is the one
i think if you've been on console long
enough you're going to hear lots of
people talk about
a shade structure a shade structure that
um
that it has some art element to it but
also
it it it feels and and mayor you make a
good point about
like what is the energy what do we
expend there um
and it it and looking at sort of
the price the the amounts and and what
it would cost
um to put a solar you know our
solar there so again i think i i
want to go with um option two um
and and you know just try to be mindful
moving forward um
well no the business oh yeah no the
business library is there yeah
option two that's where i want to go
thank you
okay um councillor sorg and then
commissioner reynolds
okay mr mayor um
now i just wanted to uh say that i was
favoring option two myself but
um but let me add a little information
on the downtown business incubator like
i agree with the
the other counselors that yeah it's
something we
need to have but we need to have a good
one uh that really helps people
um and i wanted to share with
the rest of the council and the staff
that um when i was in detroit michigan
on a tour
of detroit and mayor you were too
perhaps
you saw this uh uh big business
incubator too
it's called techtown detroit
i'm very impressive on all the things
they provided
we probably couldn't have as big a one
as they have i'm sure we can't
but certainly we could get some ideas
from what they do
there and install them into this
particular facility so i'm
sharing this information with dr
martinez
as well as management uh to use as
they will um as they can
that's all mr mayor thank you
okay uh commissioner reynolds
thank you mr chair mr mayor um and all
the counselors you guys have made some
really good points i'm excited
i do have a i do have a couple questions
i um
how do how do we measure the return on
investment
that we've made in the downtown area in
the uh
in the uh ted area has anybody actually
gone back and looked
i'll give you the kind of example what
i'm looking for is
we've actually uh
collected 15 million 15.3 million in the
last seven years we've had a balance of
5 million
and our future is 2.4 million what are
we looking for
to say the investments we're making down
there aren't
successful i mean are we looking for
jobs we're looking for businesses we're
looking for activity
uh i mean what how do we measure success
on our investments down there
because the amador is a real good
example you know if we if we keep the
amador and we invest
and then we operate it uh what are our
operating costs and
our return on it if we continue to
invest do we have a buyer
lined up to take that property over i
mean these are the things that i ask
when i'm in
doing business transactions so i guess i
don't know the answers
but i would if you if you have something
like that that says hey
you know in the last 20 years during
this tim period we've invested 20
million it's
created 400 jobs you know 50 businesses
and increased tax base of 200 million
dollars or something
i think i think we should take a time to
take that temperature
and measure that right now because as we
move forward with more complicated
investments
i think we want to be able to project
what our expectations are
and then measure to those expectations
after we've made the investment
and if we can do that then we have a we
have a sound business model
that we can just easily justify an
incubator we can easily justify
you know the amador hotel it doesn't
take
take us sitting here and going well if
we keep the amador we don't keep the
amador we invest we don't invest
somebody's going to buy it i mean we we
should be able to project our
expectations
and then determine at what point we
break even and what point we
pull out and these are the kind of ways
that i look at this
and i'm not saying we that the economic
development department hasn't looked at
it i just haven't seen that information
in
any of these meetings and it'd be nice
to see what we expect what our
expectations are and what our results
have been
um and as far as the
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as far as the uh amador hotel
i really would before i would move
forward that's why i like option two is
because we pushed that out
uh i i would like to see what we expect
to accomplish with that investment
and at what period what kind of return
we're going to get on that before i
would say
i would agree with that it's a good idea
obviously my my vote doesn't count but
hopefully my opinion does a little bit
but i'd like to see exactly if we if we
go ahead and put another
2 million 3 million 5 million 10 million
into that
what is going to be what are going to be
the results and we need to be able to
project that before we continue to
invest in that in the near term
um the last thing uh the incubator with
the kitchen
uh and the class training casa de
paraguenos azor
has actually uh said they're going to
start doing some training
the dona cooperative extension has been
doing food
training for several years now both in
people's homes and also
at their facility and the new mexico
state
mexico state agriculture department
helps people to
get approval and tests done on their
food
so that they can packaging create a
business model out of it
and then we've also got the culidary
institute on campus
and i agree with uh because counselor
gondora
that we need to bring all of those
people together and determine what's the
best use of an incubator down there if
we're gonna use the kitchen
and see if they have some ideas so we
can actually share their expertise
and their time in helping to make this
incubator very successful
that's really all i have except to say
thank you for allowing me to have input
thank you commissioner um we can
probably get you those numbers here in
about in just a few seconds chris can
you go back to the um
slide where you had the initial amount
that the our baseline that
and then what the city contributes
versus what the county does
sure mr mayor let me get there real
quick
okay maybe not going to be real quick
but i'm going to try and get there okay
those are good questions commissioner
all right let's uh let me let me see if
we can help you real quick on this
i think you'll be surprised with our
return on investment
a lot of it is because of the county uh
was so gracious to actually help fund
uh their portion and this is a good
exercise for our residents who are
watching or listening
i think it was one of the first slides
yeah it's the ad
it's getting there
my apologies that's okay
okay so the the baseline was 3.4 million
and um that was that our beginning
baseline
no it was 88 it was 88 701
is that when it first started chris so
mr chair chris faber again for
economic so there's three different
baselines here so the grt baseline is
3.4
and then you've got two other property
tax baselines one for the city
one for the county okay and what what is
the
what has it grown to if if it started at
3.4 million
so the baseline remains the same
and then revenues over that baseline go
into the tid so those baselines don't
adjust
it's the revenues above that that that
are paid into the tid
and it was like 15 million extra that
we've
we've received because of the increase
in grt
give or take um
mr i i believe that's what board member
reynolds was saying i didn't have that
number in the presentation we could
certainly go in and figure out what that
total amount
has has gone into the tit i believe
um it's at least it's at least 16
million dollars since 2016 and i happen
to know that just because we were
pulling that up for the grant but we
could get a more complete number for you
guys
um then you know that no we'll go with i
think we'll go with 15. i think that's a
i
i think that's a fair amount so if we
take the 15
minus the 3.5 that we started with
so we grew that uh 11.5
and the c so divided by 3.
3.4 so that's uh 338
338 increase right there
and and our our return on investment
if if we started at 88 000
which just for residents say this is
money okay so let's start with a dollar
so for every dollar that's collected in
property taxes
the schools get 40 cents of that donate
county i think gets around 37
cents and then the city gets around 16
cents that's why the disparity there on
the grt
so that's why we're very fortunate that
the county decided to
give their portion because as you can
tell it's it's it's a lot more than what
the city's portion is
and so by by doing that if you if you
take our return on investment our
initial investment is 88 000
and and and that's all it you know
normally it just gets spread out
throughout the general fund but this was
concentrated just in the downtown area
so my goodness uh our return on
investment is
is astronomical you know for 88 000 we
generated
11 million so that's uh i haven't
calculated that but i'll
i'll i'll figure that out but i i that's
a good
that's a good question to ask
commissioner and i appreciate you doing
that so that
that gave a chance to let the residents
know how this
how this worked mr chair yes
yes um i'm a little confused because
the number that i shared this 15 16
million is a
seven year collection of taxes but your
drt bases annually so if we did seven
years times the 3.4 million
it would be more like expectations would
be 25 million
instead of 3 million so i think in that
case
if i'm right maybe i'm wrong yes dr
martinez please
yeah if if i may uh add some information
chris can you go back to the graph
of past revenue
so the the tid actually is the sum of
all portions that are dedicated to
the tid so a portion of it is it's
as a result of gross receipts taxes plus
the portion from the county on property
taxes
plus the portion of city property taxes
so
that those three elements total the
the revenue that you see here
above the baseline so when when chris
mentioned that each one of them
had a baseline um when we created the
tid
we basically said this or this is the
revenue
that we are taking as our benchmark
and anything above that will be
uh apportioned to the tid in a 75
so with with that um
it was the state the city and the county
with their contribution
and that made in for instance in fiscal
year 2014
the baseline between the three different
taxes
was above the the benchmark
by 2.289
million dollars so in that in that year
the total sum of taxes was
the the initial baseline plus the 2.2
and in subsequent years as well
and so going back to
bohr member reynolds question on the
economic
impact of the tit
contributions we haven't done an
economic
impact analysis what we have prioritized
in the tid area is
number of jobs through the creation of
new businesses
and also the improvements of property in
downtown
which would then translate into
increases in property taxes
and so um those are those have been our
top
metrics for success um and
and but the economic impact analysis
that that you mentioned
is it's a good way to um
insert additional information into what
we have done
i want to also remind the the board
that a big part of what we collected in
the initial years
up to about 18 months ago was a big
reinvestment in infrastructure such as
the two-way conversion
um project that was very um
it was it was a a big chunk of the money
that we had collected
uh and reinvested into the tips so
um we are at the point where
infrastructure
projects are being completed
and then we're ready to set us in the
into the next stage of
type of projects such as the business
incubators and others
that we hadn't had the time or like the
we we had basic needs
as priorities before we got to those
type of uh
projects on the collaboration uh
questions comments um we actually
have been in close conversations with
the college of agriculture
um in the grand proposal that uh that
we've been mentioning
um not only arrowhead center is a core
partner to that but also
the extension agent and
dr flores is is is our main point of
contact there
but we we've reached out to dr rolando
flores the
the main person in the college of
agriculture
we also talked to la semilla and we're
we're pending
a conversation soon they shared with
us the feasibility study that was done
back when uh april christening was
leading that effort so we have seen that
and
um and and we have had conversations
about that as well
uh we haven't reached out to casa de
peregrinos that's
on our to-do list as well and making
sure that
that we are coordinating and leveraging
upon the efforts that
uh community-wide uh because as as
councilor sorg mentioned we need to make
make it a good one
and one key element to make it a
successful one is
building upon the work that has been
done
and then building up on collaboration so
that's that's uh
that's going to be crucial for success i
believe i
addressed most of the comments um but if
not
please let me know
dr garcia and commissioner reynolds i
added up those those numbers that dr
martinez was talking about i guess
that's where you got the 15.2 million
because that pretty much equals that
yeah that's correct yeah yeah our return
on investment was 115
so i'm sorry about that it you know what
that's not and really whether it's 338
or 115 or 20 percent i i don't that's
really not what i'm
what i'm suggesting here what i'm
suggesting is the
the jobs we're producing the businesses
we're creating the opportunities
the fact that we're bringing more people
downtown i think that i think the whole
model to determine the return on
investment is much more complicated than
that's just
what our tax revenue is however i think
that's
something that we as dr martinez has
pointed out
i think that if we expand that and
understand the
complete impact of what we're trying to
do in the way of jobs
businesses taxes um better
getting other businesses to actually
locate here whether they're downtown or
someplace else
i think that that's what we're creating
in this in this downtown project
so it's much bigger than that but i
think to if we
can get a good clear picture of what our
return is
on these investments i think it makes it
easier for us to quickly determine
where the money is really getting the
return we're looking for and what are we
looking for
that's that's more my message than
challenging the numbers or
how what percentage we're getting back
in tax or where it's increasing
i just think having a profile to
understand that model
will help us help to impact the city in
every investment we make throughout the
city going forward
that's that's all i'm suggesting and
then we could plug in well we'd like to
create 50 jobs we'd like to create
you know 14 businesses we'd like to
increase the tax revenue and raise the
property values
if we have a model where we can just
plug those numbers in based on
experience
then we can determine quickly whether
investing in the convention center
investing in you know the ballpark a
ballpark or whatever we want to do
is actually going to give us it's going
to fit our model and give us the return
we're looking for
that's all i'm suggesting is there's a
scientific way to do it that's all
but i do appreciate dr martinez's
clarification and your
comments as well and thank you for
allowing me to take part in this meeting
of course thanks uh let's see we have
counselor flores
and mayor pro tem i think
thank you mayor thank you mayor and
thank you chris for your presentation
and thank you dr martinez and
thank you so much uh shannon reynolds
for um
bringing that up i um in looking
at the agreement between
the dlcp and the city
the deliverables there are actually
three
there's an objective of course and then
the scope of services and um there are
three uh deliverables that are outlined
and each one
has a subset
a one through eight and eight has um
eight six eight subsections
uh and among those is exactly what um
what uh commissioner uh reynolds brought
up um
in uh number two of the
attachment a to the agreement between
the two
entities the city and the lcp
um we're to receive
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or excuse me delivered to the city
manager
and i expose a quarterly report
performance measures and i think that's
what mr shannon
reynolds is is addressing that unless we
we look at those performance we must
look at those performance measures to
see
so we can project um
what are our so that we can
project and measure our progress so
this is supposed to be submitted to the
city manager
and um they're supposed to be outreach a
certain
and the numbers are quite what quite
specific
uh promote organize and run two events
in downtown
uh coordinate with nmsu college of arts
and science a logo designed
an audio walking tour um
and that of course would be you should
probably
well anyway the museum probably can help
you with that
um but anyway and then as far as
business development and recruitment uh
program which is deliverable slash
output number two
uh it sets forth the quarterly progress
report
um that will include the number manner
and method of outreach to businesses
with potential to relocate in the ti
in the tib um recruitment of at least
three businesses that's what
mr reynolds touched on in the retail
art entertainment recreation
sectors uh training and or outreach of
businesses
of businesses in downtown main street
that will promote and support the
enhancement of visual spaces yada yada
so it goes on and on and i think that if
we could get reports on a part
quarterly basis uh presented to the to
this board
um we have a clear understanding of
exactly
how the money is generated and
the city pays about 100
000 a year into whatever we pay into it
but it really doesn't count as a the
money that the kid is generating
so i i think that would be very helpful
chris and dr martinez and
um and mr chair um
if we had that information i think we
could really uh know exactly
where we can go um as far as the options
that we were given
um i you know i i don't like any of the
uh the three options
because i feel very strongly about the
amador hotel and i don't i don't like
the fact that
in option two it's pushed down to the
bottom my
um i would agree with a combination
of um having the amadore up there we
and i and the reason is just to me
the amador hotel
is just so important historically
and what a lot of our uh even our city
programs
are museums um yes they have some
historical value without a doubt there's
other
there's many areas to go when history is
concerned but
the amador i just love it because it's
actually
it's literally a concrete a
manifestation of our history
and it remains and i hope that we get
that national designation
and and chris um are you sort of
you know when you listed this you when
you were going through this
um you i think you you you said that the
uh as soon as we're done at one point
then we could
uh the amador hotel people or us or the
city whoever
uh can then uh submit an application to
the
national registration of historic
buildings or whatever it
is am i correct in understanding what
you said
and that it'll happen once we're done
with a certain step
mr chair board member flores chris favor
for economic development
that is correct so so once they finish
the internal demolition which they're
doing now
which will return the interior of the
amador back to
as close as they can get to its original
historic
state uh then they can complete the
the report that will then be used to
determine eligibility for the historic
registry so
that's anticipated to wrap up in the
fall
and then i think tony trevino had said
about
a year to to wrap all that up and get
designation
so at that point it makes it onto the
historic registry that opens up
the um funding options on state and
federal levels
for facilities specifically those on
historic registry so it does
open some other funding opportunities
and so completion of these current
projects is critical
in that process
and is it anticipated i know that dr
dennis deb debit the debbie dennis and
and
heather pollard have worked very very
hard on this and
is it anticipated that um that it will
be
i mean just do you have any idea
um how close we are to maybe
being designated uh a historical
building or
do you have any do you have any idea
chris
mr chair board member flores it's my
understanding that once everything gets
completed that there's a
pretty good likelihood that that will
happen there are obviously no guarantees
but from everything we're hearing i i
we're all assuming that that will that
will take place
great great and then uh thank you and
then
um as far as uh how i would uh do my
my i would put amador at the top and
for that very reason um well maybe not
for that very reason but
that that reason also makes me feel more
optimistic about
really working to um get something done
and um and not reinventing the wheel
every time
we come to you know because we
we want to develop the city of course we
want we
want to implement that vision that um
you know our economic development thank
you dr matthews for your wonderful work
in that department
and i think that if we um
keep steadily working and at least get
one project out so if we can
get you know and instead of like
building and building and building you
know keeping it to these four projects
until we're all done
or at least getting one out of the way
um
i feel very strongly about um the
the amador uh hotel i would be my that
would be my number
uh one priority um my second
uh priority would be
would be the plaza uh shade and
and i think that it would um with the
solar panels
so it would be it would be a function of
having uh a community area where
people meet and um
and that uh it also brings tourism
because
i've on hot days people are just
um the kids are playing out in that uh
splash pad and
and and uh the adults are sitting as
close to the
you know the shaded area which isn't
really available
in too many places right now the trees
will get ripped by the way those
sycamores
they've got to go those those roots are
going to get so
big in about 30 years that we're going
to be sorry
well i probably won't be able to see
that but um
we'll be sorry that those those trees
were planted here they
they provide a beautiful shade but boy
do they craw
they cause a lot of root damage i mean
the roots just they just go all over the
place and they're
they're beautiful but i don't think they
belong on the blossom people
in the forest or wherever they go
um but at any rate that's how i see it i
see the
amador hotel and are shaded with solar
panels downtown plaza i mean
we really need a feeling of a central
location
and we talk about it all the time and
cities that have flourished
um are our developments you know the
newer
cities um that really flourish are the
ones that have
concentrations of people such as
placipas and and you need
then you need that shade especially for
for people who are sensitive to the sun
and most of us
are whether you're brown or or white or
in between or
darker than brown i don't know
everybody's susceptible to skin cancer
so
um irrespective of your skin coloring so
i i think that um yeah those would be my
two top priorities the
incubator i it sounds great
you know it sounds great but you know
there's that as gabe mentioned welcome
las cruces
or well they're welcome i don't know
and the amiga says think that's being
used and
so yeah and and all of these
designations
of what we would prioritize would be
very helpful if we had that quarterly
report
for the attachment to the agreement
thank you mr mayor thank you counselor
and
and in all due respect and fairness to
the staff that we
they do give us a quarterly report every
time we have our ted board meeting they
they provide it with us but
where is it well it's not here on this
one they're not but usually that's what
that's why we have our that's why we
have quarterly meetings because they
have to provide us that report
yeah yeah you know mr mayor i
um okay it's
been a while i think since we received
it i might
i might be wrong but we don't have them
yeah january
it's our last meet yeah you might not
have been there i don't know
anymore okay okay uh
vice chair gandera
i got a promotion very good
um thanks mayor um yeah i i
am i really um appreciate
commissioner or board member reynolds um
thoughts about it i
i like the return on investment language
and
sort of uh i i think because we're in
the city and we hear
a lot about this but um i think he makes
some very interesting points and i'd
love to see
um you know us um
pivot a little bit and and utilize a
system
that we can say because of this we we
created these many jobs because of this
we have these many you know the the
number of businesses
in our community um that are thriving
and
i i agree that the the the money that
goes forth
you can tell right in terms of the
investment but
i want to remind folks that the
infrastructure is just not doing the
two-way conversion
we did so much in terms of water lines
sewer lines
conduit all those things that in that
old
older part of town historic part of town
that really needed
needed that it really needed um that
facelift
if you will and it's those things that
we don't that we don't see
which in turn you know creates
um you know better better water system
and and whatnot i mean i don't know all
the ins and outs but those are
i'm assuming that's a lot of what's hap
what's happening
in in there so i'd like for us to think
about kind of those metrics
um for sure i think they're very
important
and i would agree that the downtown
partnership does give us quarterly
reports
um and of course it's not a part of
of of this one and maybe staff can come
up with a different way
when they are presenting these sort of
options that
these options and others that maybe they
are not at don't have the time that we
get
that report in a different way so people
know what the downtown partnership
is is um working on you know where
they're at
um you know something we should be
really proud of
and how hard they've worked just to
maintain the downtown we didn't lose
really
any businesses with the exception of one
or two
and those were not coveted related um
but
um jenny and her staff have won one
staff i make it sound like they have
lots of staff but they have done just a
remarkable
remarkable job there and and i
i i want to say that publicly but
i know that because i meet with them
once a month i meet with the downtown
um with chris and dr martinez
as well being a representative of the
downtown so
um i don't know mayor if i can be more
helpful
in presenting um you know some of the
information
um at our at our regular council
meetings if that might be helpful
um to the group i i certainly i've
started to do that and i did that last
time but not
or last month um
but i'm i'm happy to to do that if that
would be if
if that pleases that my colleagues i i
can
um you know update them related to
this and the downtown partnership so
thank you mayor
thank you vice chair or you can send the
report to
to ifo and then he can just disseminate
it to the
council and then they can just have them
came here okay uh let's see here
board member vazquez uh thank you mayor
um just have a few follow-up comments i
think
um after hearing from commissioner or
board member reynolds and
and others you know i think in terms of
the
question about return on investment i
think return on investment comes in many
different ways
sometimes obviously can't be measured in
a spreadsheet or in
financial projections or or tax revenue
um which is why i think
honestly the amador hotel is an
important cultural
space for us to see
through completion and to have as a
community
gathering space or whatever the business
plan may turn into
um part of my hesitation in investing in
that property oftentimes is because
that business plan has has changed i
think quite a bit over the years just
depending on
um what's envisioned you know
whether it's a commercial retail whether
it's a museum type space whether it's
a private public partnership i think
that's still to be determined unless uh
i don't know otherwise but um i just
need more clarity i think on what all
the tangible benefits are to our
community they don't have to be monetary
i just want to know what
what the what the future of that
building will be and and work towards
that
and invest in it um for the
you know for the incubator space gosh to
me
it's the greatest return on investment
of these projects because it really
helps
to spur entrepreneurship if i'm if i'm
thinking about this
the way that i'm envisioning it and dr
martinez please correct me if i'm wrong
or chris
but the arrowhead center
serves a purpose as an incubator for
businesses that are already
on a they're already started that
already have funding that already have a
conceptual
product or service basically if you have
money
or you have a business you go to the
arrowhead center to make more money or
to grow that business
right that's it's not like mom and pop
incubators of
hey i want to start a bakery or hey i
want to start a jewelry business
it's like hey i have software to help
track
trailers that i've already shopped to
three companies and please tell me how
to scale my business
right so that's that's a different type
of incubator
than what i'm envisioning at the
downtown the downtown is much more of a
mom-and-pop type of incubator the way i
see it right where you're selling
developing a product that you're working
with your hands or you're fabricating
um you know light manufacturing whatever
it might be
and i think that's where that wealth
inequality piece starts to even out
is when we give local folks those
opportunities to create and
wealth for their families and their
businesses that may not have that big
upstart investment that may not have
two or three degrees to go with it that
those people who perhaps are already
participating in the informal economy
cake baking or you know fixing shoes or
those types of products
if that is what this incubator
essentially is meant to
to harness i think that return on
investment in our community is really
powerful
um and that's why i think that is a
really both economically but also to
help
with the wealth and equality that exists
and so i to me that
that one takes precedent for me um
again the work session on the amador
hotel i think it's a great idea
i'd love to learn more um would love to
confidently say yes let's see this thing
through
because of x and y um but but i know
it's gone through its ups and downs and
obviously it's a it's a really expensive
project
to fund so just seeing what that uh
what that represents truly for our
community um is going to be super
helpful
to for me to have the confidence to say
let's invest significantly
uh there um i'll just leave it there and
so i think my top
support is for the incubator the shade
um the plaza shade structure i think is
just a
a great project to help kick off what
this community solar
might look like especially when a city
is is
involved in a project like this because
we could duplicate that in other parts
of the city or other parts of the county
if we're successful with this project so
interested in that um so i'll just leave
it there uh thank you man
thank you board member vasquez uh board
member abetta stevie
thank you mayor and please let me know
if my internet starts cutting out
and i will go off camera again um
thank you councillor vasquez for those
comments too i
also want to say that the business
incubator i think has such potential and
perhaps
a way of thinking if we move forward on
this
um with our community partners is
knowing that there's
so many different phases of business and
say for a kitchen you're going to have
some people that are in the
crafting um creating stage that need to
be one place and then you're going to
have people that are ready
on the serving portion and with that
finished product that would want to be
at the downtown
um area so i think there's ways of
working with
those other community partners too to to
see if it's something
are there different phases where people
could be at or working together
um at the different locations
um so i think that's something that
could be really
um vital and i think there are so many
um businesses that are like that that
would be able to utilize
even both spaces i think we have that
need in our community and we
we certainly have the bakers and and
chefs i know that
um and then my next question was going
to be on
the amazon hotel i know that we've
recently had some issues
regarding security and people inside the
building
and that were being a bit destructive
and if we're to move on whether
it is for renovations or if we
decide not to continue with the property
i do think it's important to make sure
that we have the right type
of whatever precautions are needed so
they're not doing any more damage
to the building itself and so i'm just
checking to see if we have
that covered from the incidences earlier
this winter
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mr chair board member stevie this is
chris faber uh with economic development
yes i've spoken with both public works
and facilities to secure that building
um especially once these projects that
are are going on will be ending which is
probably sometime in october
um i i think there were some issues over
the winter uh
possibly because of the cold so looking
to have a more secure
facility come winter time next year
after these projects are done
and the building is sitting you know
vacant for a period of time
okay thank you i appreciate that and
then something like um
fire prevention probably at this point
since there's so much
um that construction and and demolition
portion
is that something that can't necessarily
be addressed right now
or is it something that they're able to
work on mr chair
uh board member stevie i'm gonna leave
that one for tony he knows more about
that kind of stuff than i do
um and so i'll let him take it thank you
chris
um conscious rebecca stevie and
mayor um we have looked into some kind
of
a alarm system for fire prevention
right now the item is the um there's no
internet there there's no fiber optic
there so we need to find some kind of
wireless
uh device to transmit this information
so
we will keep looking into this as we
move forward and we'll let you know as
soon as we find something
that will suffice for this building okay
thank you i appreciate that and
as i mentioned before just with either
way it is a building that we hold in an
area that we're gonna see a lot of
people coming through hopefully our
downtown stays but nice and vibrant
and i think it would be important to
make sure that we're doing
our part to make sure that this building
is
um meeting standards for the whole
community
thank you mayor hey
and board member ben cuomo
thank you mayor um chair mr chair
um can chris can you go back
to the um option two
where you have it broken down
thank you okay
i just want to make sure um
i didn't remember what each of the
broken nouns look like
and i think for me the reason
option two was sort of automatically a
no
um was because
i just to me it just doesn't feel right
that
shade would be a
larger investment than the incubator
given
the kind of impact the business
incubator could have
for our community um
and again i already said that right i
just i think
you know i i think we would be at a huge
i think it'd be a huge mistake to not
invest in something like this incubator
i i think it's an outstanding idea
um and as i think about our priorities
as a city
and you know really trying to impact
and reduce the wealth inequality
in our city this could this could be
huge this could be a huge player in that
again for me as i said before
i i'm very you know i've been very
critical
about the investment that we've made in
the amador hotel and i remember seeing
that 10 million dollar
tag price tag and to me that's excessive
i you know to me i'm not okay with that
but i've been
sort of assured that that's not gonna
happen
even 5 million seems like a lot but
again if it's going to be something that
gets this business i mean this
building done and completed then let's
do it i don't
want to have this the city own this sort
of falling apart building
um that is historic in our downtown as
we're trying to improve our downtown i
think
in the long run i ultimately think that
it's
it is better for us to invest in it and
so that's sort of where i'm at again
i feel like um i'm not sure if
his work works session ended up being
more stressful for staff
than helpful um i just wanted to
reiterate those points because i feel
like
economic development
is critical for our city particularly as
we think about recovery
from this pandemic and um
supporting young entrepreneurs
in their venture to start a business is
such a great way to you know invest in
that recovery
so i just i just wanted to name those
two things because i know i've been very
highly critical of the amador and again
after the tour last week to me it just
feels frustrating and i do feel someone
but i also feel like it is a project
that needs to get done
thanks man okay um
i don't know if many of you just didn't
put your hand down but
let me just tell you it sounds like
the business incubator and i guess the
compost street design are okay
with everybody it seems like um
i will tell you this and the reason why
i go back to
to the the um
the courthouse is because
and the third party agreements and i
just ran some numbers real quick so
let's just say hypothetically we spend
the city spends 25 000 a month in
electricity costs for that
that old building it's it's old and it's
not very efficient so
i would guess that it's probably in that
ballpark
um i don't know maybe it probably in the
i don't maybe that's too high but anyway
so if we were to buy if if we allowed a
third party
to buy the solar equipment for that
building
let's just say it was uh between 250 and
000 the debt service on that's like 5
000 a month
and if that saves the city 15 000 a
month in electricity
costs that leaves us 10 000 a month that
we
we benefit from okay so so i guess
and then so what i was going to say was
i wonder if we could
because i remember counselors uh board
member sword will remember this
i think before all of you came on on
board
they had some staff brought us some
really good designs
and they weren't as elaborate as as what
was presented
and what the price tag wasn't quite as
high but uh it was anywhere from 500
000 to 700 000 and it covered the whole
whole plaza and now you couldn't put
solar on top of it
but you would think that you'd want
solar on a building
that can generate that income because
there's not a whole lot of
we don't use a whole lot electricity in
the in the plaza so you would want it
probably on
on the on a building that we do pay a
lot of electricity on
and so what i'm trying to get at is i
don't see why
we couldn't at least move forward with a
couple of these items have the work
session and i'm not
discounting the amador
i like it but i'd like to know what what
the plan is so we kind of stick to it so
we can
we know what we can what we're going to
contribute to it instead of just kind of
like okay we've got this money here
let's just give it to it
give it to them that was what i would
like to see and so it doesn't have to
wait until 2023 if
it turns out and then without going into
a whole lot of detail if you guys can
kind of remember a few
weeks ago uh some of the things that
we're looking at so it's more
it could it could it could be expedited
you know we may have some things going
on
in in the area okay so that that's one
thing and then
uh if if you want even if we saved a
little bit of money on the shade and
still covered it i still think it needs
to be covered
but if you remember board member story
it wasn't
it wasn't a complete but it was about
three quarters of a coverage and
and i thought it was nice and it looked
good it's just that that
at that time council couldn't decide if
they wanted to do a fourth
a half or all of it and i figure why
don't we just get it all and then we
could always cut it back if we wanted to
have or
those are some things that we could
probably look at doing and
at least move forward on a couple
projects circle back to the amador
and then also i don't know if you want
to just stick with what was presented
but i i seem to recall there were some
options there that was a lot cheaper
than the million
it looks like you want to say something
board member sword yes
uh yeah i do have a recollection of what
you're saying
um i didn't think it was that long ago
though i thought maybe
mayor pro tem was on the council at the
time at least
if she was she just started yeah
um in this option too i wanted to point
out something if i'm
i'm trying to get my own um
information here to make sure it's
correct on the amador hotel
uh we have over a million dollars
sitting in the bank right now to use on
the
amador hotel and that isn't shown in
this graph
as i understand and um and you're trying
to show us
staff that the half a million dollars in
2023 would come from the tid
okay um perhaps maybe you were thinking
that could be
matching money for grants uh and so
it's possible it's actually possible
that we could
uh uh do the amador hotel
uh without any more city money than what
we show
right here uh and then what we have in
the bank
am i wrong on this staff whoever's got
the
numbers i'm right or wrong
mr chair uh board member sorry this is
chris faber with economic development so
the money that the city has
right now is what is being used to
complete the internal demo and the west
side
exterior renovations so those those
current funds are going to those two
projects
and then if there's funds left over
those will be available
for um some of the construction drawings
so so those funds
are and tony can speak to this if he
wants to add anything else but those
funds aren't included here
because they're already accounted for in
the two projects that are going to be
starting
um well they're started right now okay i
understand
that's all right that's good so i'm just
got it straight in my mind because we
seem to be talking around
this kind of thing and not really it
didn't seem to
fit what i know okay mr mayor that or
mr chairman that's that's all i had
so uh was it tony or chris if we were to
do
this shade and we put the the solar
on that shade structure um
how are we going to power if we did
community solar
would we power that um that
electricity to the downtown merchants or
um does it go back into the grid how how
would that work
mr mayor mr chair this is tony trevino
from public works
from reading what just passed at the
state
the community is solar uh the first
initiative is for the prc
to come up with a plan by i believe
october of this fall
what that does is going to provide
direction to
user groups entities of how to become a
utility provider
and with that said then the if the city
is
wishing to kind of proceed in that
direction we have to follow what the prc
would be recommending to provide to
some of the downtown private properties
there some of the businesses there but
as of right now what the regulation
states is we can only provide
to businesses or properties owned by the
same
property owner and that are directly
adjacent to the site where the solar is
at
so once in the fall comes we'll have
better direction of what the prc is
going to be recommending on this
okay whereas if we did it on the
municipal court and couldn't we all
since it's right
right next door couldn't we run the if
we had access
to the small amount of power that we use
there at
the downtown area i mean the the actual
plaza itself
mayor uh this is tony again that is
correct so
what um we had done the research on is
every meter that is adjacent to that
plaza area
where the street lights the plaza
lighting possibly the
um the shape the splash pad i'm sorry
and all those areas that are providing
power that are city owned by that
location
um and if this even this is
interesting but that property that's
going to be to do south of the state
just might be a possible
uh building in the future to help
retrofit with solar so
um all this is yeah great ideas for that
yeah
and to the members of the i'm sure the
council knows this but members of the
public
who are watching if we do third party
agreements
then we don't have to buy the solar
equipment the third party does because
they take advantage of the tax credits
they get 30 off on their tax returns see
the city doesn't file tax returns so
that's why we don't do it
they they do and then from our savings
from our electric costs that's how we
pay them
so they get a re they get a return they
get this tax credit
they get this equipment that they're
paying for but that we're actually
paying for
and we get reduced electricity costs and
that's why i thought it'd be better if
we went
and put it on the downtown on the on the
municipal court and then whatever is
left over can
help run the um the downtown plaza but
if
if if we can also do it on the business
incubator
that might help a lot and reduce the
cost to the businesses who use the
incubator and other
incubator and all those around it so i
guess what i'm trying to say is i i
would um
i'm just saying we still have the plaza
shade
but we would have to pay for the solar
we'll let someone else pay for the solar
and and we still get the benefit of of
reduced electric costs that's all that's
all i'm trying to get it
and then that extra money we can use it
for something else whether it's more
money for the amador
or whether it's for something else that
we want to we want to do in the downtown
that's all i'm suggesting
so circling back um
we can go with one of the options but it
seems like we're all kind of
all over or we can go with at least a
couple of these move forward
have the work session on the amador
which that brings the third one into
play
and then and then or we can go
have staff look at the plaza
shade but solar on the
on the um well either solar on on this
on this
plaza shade or solar on the municipal
court
and using third-party agreements so we
won't have to pay for it
right mayor can i say something sure yes
thank you chair
um i i wanted to
just say two things i keep forgetting
the two times i've spoken already
is that one of the things that i talked
to chris and dr martinez about
related to the amador was and i think
people alluded to this is this idea of a
master plan we keep changing kind of
what
is happening and i think it's hard to
sort of conceptualize
what that might look like i also and so
i really believe that if we're going to
have a work session that that be part of
the recommendation that
a master plan is done so that we
and and we include a number of partners
um during covid you know at different
times i've brought groups together
like the downtown partnership the arts
and cultural district
the dona ana community excuse me
donaiana arts council
to include the the people at the amador
you know and had sort of this dialogue
about working together for the
betterment of
of the the amador what might it look
like to partner
and to maybe um rent space from there
you know those can just trying to get
you know to thinking more creatively
about how that space can be used
in addition to whatever else folks think
that it needs to be used
as and so um i i agree that it's it's
really hard to conceptualize when
there's
sort of the the the bullseye moves
if you will and i also want to remind
folks that
as councilor bethesduvi indicated this
is one of our facilities we have to care
for our facilities
and and we've not we've put a lot of in
kind
um and typically the funding in the past
has come from the capital
outlay from the legislators so i also
want to remind
people that that is an option that we
can continue to
ask the legislators for funding as it
relates as it relates to this but i
think
this is genuinely a good step forward
um a sincere effort that we care about
historic preservation and that and the
amador and so
i i just wanted to share those two
things mayor
um with with you all okay
thank you uh commissioner reynolds that
you have a question or do you
forget to put your hand down no no i
actually i had one more question and i
i i'm just curious about something i
think this goes to tony
the question does tony uh i think you
mentioned something earlier
either you're chris but it was you about
trying to get the actual numbers on how
much
energy was necessary from el paso
electric
for the solar implementation and you
said it might take
a couple of months is that correct
chair um miss uh board member
reynolds this is tony again uh yes we
reached out to past electric
a couple weeks ago um and having
some trying to go through their routes
to gather that information so i am
hoping
with within the next uh couple weeks we
should get somebody
that information from them they're
having to go through their backlogs and
also we're trying to coordinate with mrs
lisa larocque
our sustainability officer to kind of
get that information also so
we're trying to approach it as a team to
get that information so
when we do design it we design it to the
demand
and not have not designed it and pay the
action and create excess power
and just put it back into the grid
without getting any kind of benefit from
that or
credit on that side okay thank you i
think that's what i heard
the reason i asked that question is
because as the mayor's pointed out
if we did have a third party responsible
for the solar portion of this
uh two things i mean number one is we
could begin by
implementing simply the infrastructure
to support solar
and a couple of panels to handle the
plaza okay or wherever the minimal needs
are
and then as we determine and have the
lines implemented we could actually then
expand
the solar because the biggest cost the
infrastructure is put in there with the
initial
implementation then we could actually
add additional panels
um ad hoc as we needed them which would
make this a more manageable project and
also be able to get it off the ground
quicker at a less cost
and then we could once we get it and
started
we could then look for someone to uh
possibly
you know purchase that portion of it if
we needed to as well uh
so i don't know how all that works but
um i think that
i think having those numbers is what el
paso electric anticipates our
needs are going to be is really the
first step is to determine how we move
forward with the solar
whether it's on the plaza whether it's
on the hotel whether it's on the
the uh court or what is understanding
what our needs are first
and uh so i think we gotta back up a
little bit on that to understand that
first is
my recommendation and my thoughts uh but
i do like the idea of community solar
and having someone else get the benefit
uh rather than the city and providing a
ppp uh
you know a public partner private
partnership
in order to make that benefit several
people in the process i think it's a
good idea
thank you mr mayor thank you tony
thank you uh commissioner
okay so um
chris or tony so remind me or christine
uh approvals for infrastructure
does that go back to city council or
does it come through
through the tit again so my question is
if we're going to move forward it's
going to be move forward so
so that our next tit board meeting we
make these approvals for what we're
going to do or is that going to go
to the city council
mr chair yes this is martinez for the
record
the feedboard would approve the the
budgetary items
um within the field okay so
what you would like from us today is
some direction so that
when we have are you going to want us to
have a special
tid meeting like in a month from now to
to approve this or did you want to wait
for three more months
mr chair thank you for that question um
we would appreciate
more guidance based on the discussion
and your recommendation what we could do
is um on the plaza
um structure and the amador hotel we can
bring
those two items for work sessions
similar to what we did in the overall
of the tid to give history to give
estimated costs forecasted and then
based based on that information um we
can have a
further discussions related to the fed
funding
and and for us to um right now
prioritize those um
those two projects that that the tit
board
has consensus on which are the business
incubator
and the design for campus street if if
that's
what i'm hearing um from the discussion
yes dr martinez one thing that just
popped into my mind after listening to
the discussion
so let's just say we did go with the
plaza shade with solar
but but we're wiring it or
retrofit it so that if we did do
community solar
and let's say we did so large of a
community solar that we were able to
offer to the business owners along the
the the plaza area um
let's say they only have to pay fifty
percent
or seventy percent of what their
electric bill is
i wonder if there was a way to do that
collectively and then
we can still uh attract the third party
agreement to
pay for that solar as well that way
there we don't have to pay for it
or or minimal amount you know the the
retrofitting
the business owners will like it because
they'll have a reduced cost
in in solar costs and that makes a
little bit more attractive to bring
businesses to to come down downtown area
and we get
you know we we we benefit all the way
around
so that might be something to look mr
chairman yes mr chairman
i i don't know if it's worthwhile trying
to
figure this out now uh let's wait till
the uh
state gets the community solar all
figured out with the prc and all
and then discuss that um but we could
still talk about what kind of a shade
structure would look like
uh in a work session now but trying to
get the details now
they might they might i have something
that
um we couldn't agree with or it wouldn't
work for us i should say
yeah yeah so let's move forward at least
with the downtown incubator and the
campbell street design
we'll have a special work session on the
amador
and then also if you could work on that
plaza shade
with the possible retrofit for
community solar i think might be might
not be a bad idea
what do y'all think
yeah let's i agree with that
you guys want to just okay your thumbs
up
from commissioner uh redlands
anybody else my vote doesn't count
no i know then
uh board member vasquez
anybody
did somebody else put their hand up
okay board member bin como so there you
go so
i'm not saying that the others aren't
going to come into play it's just that
we give them something to start working
on now
the incubator and the compost street
design um
you know we do the amador hotel in a
month or two
uh then then we can see about that move
forward with that as well
and then also by that time we'll we'll
know more on the numbers from apostle
electric
regarding the shade so i'm not saying
that none of these so i guess
if i would circle back it would probably
look like
um number two
but without the amador necessarily
having to go to 2023
it's just we're just we're just probably
delaying in a few months
a couple months so we can get the work
session so we get it more
uh clarified as to what the actual plan
is
you know give or take in the next few
months
sound okay
yeah okay i guess we'll just do that
you got that chris we're good mr chair
yeah that that sounds good that that's
good direction for staff and just to let
the board know
um we have that work session for the
amador already scheduled for june 14th
perfect sounds good
okay uh anything else for the tip
mr chair not for me okay i'll need a
motion and a second
so we can adjourn second
motion made by board member store second
by vice chair gandana that we adjourn
christine
this is on the motion to adjourn the ted
board meeting
board member abeda stevie yes
board member vasquez yes
board member ben cuomo yes
board member sork yes
board member flores yes
board member gandra yes
chair yes okay
it's 3 10 p.m we're adjourned uh stand
by
for a few minutes and then we'll start
with our work sessions
you