you
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madam chair you are now live good
evening this is the planning
zoning commission it's june 22nd
and it's 6 pm mountain time it's 8 p.m
where i
am but it's 6 pm mountain time
i'm going to call the meeting to order
do we have a quorum
i believe we do yeah i think you have
all seven uh members present
we do okay thank you
anybody have a conflict of interest
i don't see anybody waving or saying
anything
okay next is the approval of the agenda
i need somebody to move in a second
to approve the agenda uh this is uh
commissioner guerrero
i will move to approve the agenda for
this meeting
okay is there a second five seconds
okay okay that's been moved and second
to approve the agenda um david can you
call a roll call
yes madam chair um
commissioner gordon here
uh this is to approve the agenda correct
oh i'm sorry she said attendance i i
approve
yes okay commissioner munice yes
uh commissioner guerrero uh yes
commissioner smith yes i approve
uh commissioner bennett yes commissioner
vega
yes and chair thomas
yes so the agenda's been approved now
we're moving to the approval of the
minutes for may 24th
and need a motion a second
i have a correction yes well let's let's
do the motion first and then we'll do
the
okay
all right i make a motion we approve the
minutes this is commissioner gordon
your second uh commissioner bennett i'll
second him
hey is there any discussion you have
something commissioner
gordon yes uh when at the last meeting
when i ran it they
on several pages here i've been uh
referred to as
gondora
so they didn't do commissioner gordon
they do commission gondora
i don't know what it is but i think it
should be changed
is it is it only when it's you that it
says gandra
yes okay so that would it's easy to fix
right right okay thomas i also have a
um my name was left off the minutes from
last time
okay and then we left off the minutes
okay any other changes
no but i kind of want to go back and
reread the minutes now
see what else you could find right
um okay how do we take care of this
catherine
it's just uh it you know
it's minor things can we just ask
the minutes people to fix those things
yes there just needs to be a
motion to rectify those issues and then
you can accept the minutes with with
those amendments
okay so we need a motion to
change harvey's name and
to put our new member's name on
gordon i make a motion that we make
those changes
is there a second second this is
commissioner vega
okay uh commissioner vega so that it was
were you just not listed or were you not
on any time when you talked or
just not listed as present in the
beginning okay
all right so um can we have a roll call
on this
this uh motion to change the minutes
yes commissioner gordon
yes commissioner moniz
yes commissioner guerrero
yes commissioner smith
yes commissioner bennett yes
commissioner vega yes and uh chair
thomas
um i abstain i wasn't there okay
um do you want me to take a roll on the
uh
now we're going to go back to the
original motion to approve the minutes
and any other discussion or corrections
before we do a roll call
no hearing none okay roll call okay uh
commissioner gordon
yes commissioner manis yes
mr guerrero yes
commissioner smith
yes commissioner bennett yes
commissioner vega yes and chair thomas
um i abstain again because i wasn't
there
okay the minutes are approved
postponements we don't have any
public participation do we have anything
other than
things that apply to particular items
catherine uh no that not that i'm aware
of i
commissioner um chair thomas i do want
to point out that
i do not see the consultants for the
old business item listed on our
attendees list we have contacted them
via email to make sure that they are
are joining us so i would recommending
recommend maybe postponing that towards
the end of the
agenda or at least until um they're able
to join and we're
we're finished with another agenda item
yeah
okay all right then this is commissioner
gordon i'll make a motion that we
reorder the agenda and putting this item
perhaps at the end or at some time if
they come in and we can
insert it before we finish these two
items
okay is there a second
this is commissioner bennett no second
dude okay
okay can we have roll call to to move
the the las cruces innovation industrial
park
item to the end or at least later in the
meeting
i'll go ahead and take a roll
commissioner gordon yes
commissioner manis yes
commissioner guerrero yes commissioner
smith
yes commissioner bennett yes
commissioner vega yes and chair thomas
yes okay so we'll skip old business for
now and move on to new business
and the first item is uh
275 north main i
need a motion and a second to approve
the 275 north main request
all right this is commissioner gordon i
make a motion that we
approve um item number one under new
business
uh this is commissioner guerrero i will
second it
okay it's been moved and seconded that
we approve
item number one is there a presentation
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hello sorry i didn't hear that
uh no i'm sorry um madam chair uh
commission there is a presentation
you're doing the presentation john
casilla yes
uh my name is john castillo for the
record yeah go ahead
is everybody able to see my screen yes i
can see it
so today um we'll be presenting um an
infield development
uh request a sign request for a property
located at 275
north main
the current conditions of the property
it's located on the west side of north
main street
it's located at the corner of main
street and las cruces avenue
is owned bdc ms which is our downtown
development code main street district
um been recently redeveloped a
commercial building
and the current business in there is
called select
realty
there's an aerial image so the the
the proposal is for um to allow an
attached corner sign in a wall sign
i'm currently right now under the
ddc ms
regulations uh corner signs and wall
signs are not permitted
um the corner sign currently measures 30
square feet in size
and it will extend roughly about 2.5
feet from the wall
it will be about 10 feet clearance from
the ground
and it's for the use of an office realty
business
um the analysis there's no health safety
or welfare issues identified main street
is where these types of signs are needed
the sign can promote economic vitality
to downtown does not obstruct other
businesses or their signs
um the downtown development code has
sections in need of refinement including
the signed provisions
amendments are currently being drafted
and will be forthcoming to the planning
and zoning commission
as well as this is supported by elevate
las cruces comprehensive plan
and the downtown master plan
as you can see here these are some of
the photos the photo in the center is
the subject property the photo on the
left
is signs that are similar in nature to
what they're proposing which is rad
retrocade and the rio grande theater
um the photo on the left is going to be
for the
their wall sign it's going to be very
similar to that of the gallery which is
directly next door to the proposed
business um at the time of this
presentation notice sent to surrounding
or there was no
surrounding properties there was no
input provided
reviewers were sent to all relevant
agencies and departments all supported
the infield development proposal
staff recommends an approval with
conditions based on the findings
that the subject property was an
existing vacant
property building located within the ido
making it eligible for the info
development process
the proposed idp will allow for the
continued redevelopment
of vacant buildings within the
established core of the city
um based on the staff recommendation and
pedestrian
based on staff recommendation a
pedestrian hanging sign
also be placed on the property in
addition to a wall sign to provide
pedestrian visibility
also included with this is the idp meets
the intent of elevate las cruces
comprehensive
and the downtown master plan it is
compatible with adjacent uses in zoning
districts it meets the purpose and
intent outlined in section 38-2
of the 2001 zoning code as amended and
is supported by the city's infill policy
plan and fulfills the purpose of the las
cruces municipal code section
2-382
today the options are to vote yes for
approval vote no to deny
or vote yes with conditions um and vote
to table
thank you for that presentation so
did i understand that it would be
similar to the other two signs on that
block
i'm sure you are correct um this last
slide actually shows
uh what they are proposing yeah okay
all right uh do the people who are
proposing this are they available do
they want to say anything
i believe they are here um i just can't
see if they have their hands up
madam chair i can normally promote
people to panelists but for some reason
um i can't right now and i think perhaps
maybe that's because i ended up leaving
the meeting and coming back into the
meeting
let me see if anybody has their hands up
though it does not appear oh i can
promote people now
it doesn't appear anybody has their hand
up but i do believe they are here
yeah okay well then we'll just go on to
the commissioners and see if they have
any questions that
need to be answered by the people who
are proposing this
um so commissioners anybody have
anything to
say this is commissioner gordon on the
screen right now it shows this one thing
that did a letter that says select
that's one sign is it is this little
diagram to the right of it the second
sign
or is that the same sign with his side
view
madam commissioner uh commissioner
gordon uh you are correct at
the select um the
sign on the left is going to be the
corner sign that they're proposing the
sign on the right is their wall sign
that they're proposing
okay well there's just no there's just
no dimensions or anything on the second
one
well i'm sure they're well within a
hundred feet hundred square feet so
i don't get the question it's not very
clear as to
what that thing was i thought maybe it
was just a side view
of that one sign that says select
no it's two separate signs all right
any other comments or questions
okay seeing none i guess we'll have roll
call
commissioner gordon um
i did a site visit there's basically no
discussion
it does go along with elevate las cruces
it does
work within the idp and based on staff
recommendations i vote yes
commissioner moniz i vote yes
i'm voting yes upon staff
recommendations and they're going to
follow the conditions
that they've been asked
commissioner guerrero uh i will yes as
well based on staff recommendations site
visit
um and elevate las cruces and as well as
i think
this will just make downtown look even
more vibrant so
yes commissioner smith
i vote yes based on a site visit and
also that it meets with
compliance with the mpo terrafail plan
their fair plan um commissioner bennett
uh i vote yes um it meets neighborhood
character and compatibility
as well as elevate las cruces
commissioner vega
i vote yes uh it complies with the
downtown master plan and
also based on site visit and staff
recommendations
chair tom i also vote yes based on a
site visit
and staff recommendations and
that we need more songs like that
downtown
and i hope they get the um
downtown plan revised so that it's
easier to have
more a greater variety of signs
okay so that passes right correct
and madame cherry do you want to let you
know that um
although they were having trouble
logging in they were able to log in so
the consultants
us for uh the westminster industrial
amendments have joined us i will leave
it at your discussion whether or not you
want
to hear them next or wait till the end
of the agenda
i think i think we'll go ahead and hear
them next since they were first on the
agenda
so is there a presentation for that
madam chair yes there is and apologies
for
my troubles getting on tonight but um i
started well in advance but here i am
okay and i need to swear you in right
correct do you swear and affirm that
testimony you're about to give is the
truth and nothing but the truth under
penalty of law
i do thank you state your name and
proceed
will gleeson principal with deca paris
sabatini
and uh good to be with you this evening
so let me go ahead and share my screen
here
do we need a motion on this
yes
all right then this is commissioner
gordon i make a motion on the road
business that we
approve item number one is there a
second
commission i'll approve it oh sorry
uh commissioner smith go ahead
oh this is the commission smith that
second emotion that we approve this item
number one
okay then moved and seconded and we're
moving on now to the presentation thank
you
mr jordan for getting me back on track
thank you um i have a brief presentation
uh just uh to refamiliarize yourself
your
uh all of us with the where we were with
this
and then to focus on the framework plan
itself as you know we've
we've gone through the master plan um
and that has gone to council so and that
overall you know the that we're really
just trying to make this uh
las cruces uh innovation industrial park
uh working better and taking advantage
of the the good economic conditions that
uh
that we are currently in so um we do
think the master plan is really helping
with
improving its visibility integration
with the airport
we have some good good strategies for
promoting environmental and energy
efficiency
and some good alliances
to leverage for economic development
um as as you may remember we had quite a
bit of public outreach on this
last most of it taking place last year
we had a number of stakeholder
interviews and this helped to inform not
just the master plan which was part one
which you've already approved
but this part two which is the
regulatory framework that
is before us tonight
um part of this was also informed by a
market and real estate analysis that was
done by economic and planning systems
which found that
um there's about an average absorption
of a little over 100 000 square feet a
year of industrial space
that's about 40 of the regional total
and that the
las cruces innovation industrial park
has plenty of land
still available to accommodate future
industrial demands
we identified three high target
industries aviation
value-added agriculture and advanced
manufacturing
and just anecdotally it seems like uh
all these areas uh and
and really advanced manufacturing um
aviation and agriculture are all
uh areas where we're seeing strong
demand across the state
so um but we still we do think you
should also make
don't try to put all your eggs in one
basket pursue multiple
uh industry sectors and um
and sort of spread out the the chances
of of what types of businesses you're
gonna attract
and then the development strategy
included a full-time project manager
um streamlining the land transaction
process
having a dedicated park website and a
branding strategy all of which
are um underway
so but tonight we're really here to talk
about the regulatory framework which we
have
resubmitted uh we've worked with staff
um
we have a we we've made a lot of
progress and we've simplified it
we've um we've made it more kind of
aligned with
the regulatory processes that this city
is comfortable with so i think that
we're
um we're pretty close to what we need
for for your review and approval
so the the table of contents hasn't
changed that much
sort of an over overview land uses
administration
general development standards and
definitions
and then just some of the highlights um
you know we revise the land uses
so we really have these four basic uh
districts
the red the commercial that's near the
interchange as you would expect
the purple the manufacturing that's
focused south of
i-10 the aerospace that uh
is more strategically located close to
the airport
and the value-added agriculture which is
um
on the south end of the park
um and then we've simplified the and
broadened the
use categories and updated conditional
use standards
associated with that we've worked quite
quite a bit with staff
to make this as clear as possible
and to really align with the way that
the the city
sort of reviews and classifies
different land use and different types
of businesses
and then we've we've created some
development standards
that pretty basic but i think will help
elevate the quality of the park without
adding undue cost for development
some basic things about building
orientation on-site circulation
walkways and
some outdoor spaces for larger
businesses
and we've really tried to separate the
on-site
standards and kept away from the the
more
the standards that are more relevant to
the public rights of way in the public
realm
so we just pretty much clar we tried to
really uh strip that out of here
um and then as far as architecture we've
updated the the development
the the architectural styles that were
really out of date from the prior
plan um and some basic
uh basic requirements in terms of
massing and screening
for uh four buildings
and um and then landscaping too we we
think it's these are very reasonable
requirements ten percent on site
some very doable storm water management
strategies and then using the las cruces
airport landscape plan as a guide but
not
not tying it directly to that and we
really took some direction
from um director from catherine on this
in terms of what to uh what what will
work for las cruces
and then uh landscaping in parking lots
one tree for
every 10 parking spaces
and and that we're also
encouraging but not requiring covered
parking
and really as far as parking goes one
interesting uh standard is that we're
not
we are saying you you can you can supply
the parking that you feel
is needed for this business and we are
not imposing a parking standard
on uh on the park
and we're encouraging things like porous
surfacing for
portions of the parking lot to encourage
more groundwater
infiltration and reduce the
the demands on the stormwater management
infrastructure
um and then as far as definitions we
really worked closely to
make sure that these were aligned with
what's in the
las cruces zoning code and we only
included
unique definitions that were that were
really particular to this
this plan so
um our next steps hopefully are to go to
council
and uh and get this ordinance adopted so
that uh the park can
take advantage of this and um take
advantage of opportunities that are
with us today so with that i will stand
for questions
or sit as the case maybe
okay we have questions or comments from
commissioners
nobody i have a question on uh
well on x page it says x11
it talks about um
uses that are classified as instance
may continue in perpetuity unless
the use lease ceases for a period of no
less than 12 months
however the use slash structure could
not be
expanded enlarged or extended
can you explain why that is
um this is about uh grandfathering in
uses that are not compatible with the
adopted plan
and um can i just go to that page i
think that might might be helpful
if i could do that it's page 11
okay let me let me stop sharing for a
second i'm going to
pull up the plan itself
um
let's see i have that plan up before
will this is catherine while you're
looking into that i i will
um at least give some background in
terms of our non-conforming clauses that
we have
in other portions of the code okay um so
commissioner thomas and members of
planning and zoning
uh we have a couple of special sections
related to non-conformities
so those uses that were created legally
but perhaps don't conform with changes
that occur to the code over time
we have it generally sort of a a whole
section of code that discusses it for
for most of the zones in the city and
then a couple of our overlays have
special provisions regarding their own
non-conforming uh
language and that would be the case with
this that's just a little background
about
about why that was included so that we
can address those types of uses that
become non-conforming over time as codes
change
are there some out there now that are
non-conforming or
and if so are there very many of them
um i commissioner thomas uh
commissioner i i do not believe that
there are very many out there i think
this is more
um just to it's sort of standard
language that we put into a
into a master plan in terms of how to
deal with non-conforming uses
i don't know if catherine if you have
anything to add to that but i don't
i i can't think offhand of any
structures out there that would
be non-conforming at this point
commissioner thomas members of the
commission um
there are a couple of small examples
that i can think of perhaps related to
to fencing or buffering but but no
really large structures that come to
mind
in terms of being completely
non-conforming there may be some
components of the site
uh that are non-conforming that i think
of in a couple of areas
but it generally is not a huge issue and
so if those
if they wanted but then if they wanted
to expand or
they would have to come into conformity
is that what would happen
commissioner thomas members of the
commission that's correct and they can
do that through a number of methods
they can either do improvements that
bring them into compliance
they can request variances um in a in
accordance with our codes they can
request flexible development standards
all of those ways those are all methods
by which to come into compliance with
the code
okay so it's not going to handicap
anybody too much
okay so my other comment of course is
that
i always worry about the fact that that
we have all these
jobs way out on the edge of town and we
don't have any housing
and and it's hard to do live work play
in this kind of situation so i just want
to say that
um going forward i want to keep that
in mind would be nice maybe at some
point if
we started to have some housing in that
area so that
it wasn't just jobs
when i was a commissioner for district
six i used to say oh fine
people in my district are the people who
work on the others on the west side of
town and they have to drive
back to the east side every night so um
let's think about having jobs in other
places and
in the future be trying to combine
living and working close to one another
if when possible
though i i have to always bring that up
because i think that's important
any other comments or questions from
anybody
okay i guess we're ready for roll call
david where oh i think lavon has her
hand up so i don't know maybe she has a
comment
sorry i don't have all of everybody
listed here
yes commissioner muniz
i can't see her on my screen
i think she's unmuted
maybe she had to leave like she said
can you hear me yes okay
my question is um
what do we have out there in
manufacturing i know there was a cheese
company
and my question is will this new
development
enhance what we already have and how
many
vacancies are out there already
the plan looks wonderful you know you're
saying restaurants
space work uh manufacturing
we have buildings out there now
for many big enough for manufacturers
what is the city going to do to fill all
these vacancies
you're going to build more and it's
going to sit empty or
or what what what plans do the city have
to fill this development up and how can
it enhance what we already have
commissioner muniz members of the
commission
i will actually defer to economic
development
either griselda martinez or
celicia viegas to answer that question
okay
thank you commissioner
i so there are um plenty of plans in
place
that we are currently working on yeah
can you hear me yes can you state your
name for the record please
felicia viegas economic development
we are currently working on a marketing
strategy
uh with our pio office mandy
gus and a consultant uh we're
getting ready to launch that it's very
exciting
um we are utilizing
our some existing tenants out there
you're correct we have the cheese
factory we have
um premier distributing as a
the trucking business alaska structures
as some of the big players out there
and we want to leverage on some of their
successes
to promote the industrial park further
we have been in discussions with city
manager
and community development
mr larry nichols in looking at
a a process to prioritize um
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businesses that are looking to locate to
the industrial park
uh to to better um
to walk them through the process and and
and try to kind of hand hold and
make that process a little easier on
them
i think that will help in um
in attracting uh new businesses and and
uh larger businesses uh we
are in the middle of we just applied for
a certified site program where
um we would be able to market
the parcels as pretty much
shovel ready ready to move in
and that will assist in the time to
market for these industries
so there's a lot of things exciting
projects we have going on we're learning
a lot about
the land out there as far as
infrastructure
being able to answer a lot of these um
questions that
are that leads that come in um
have a a lot quicker than we've
had before so i'm really excited about
the progress that's
been happening currently
i hope that that kind of helps answer
your question
commissioner bernie says that did you
have any more to ask about
no um i have a question
cecilia uh have you been in touch at all
with uh
workforce connection
um personally commissioner thomas i have
not
but we are working hand in hand with our
business development
department elizabeth teeters so she's
handling
more of the business recruitment side
of things on that end she is out this
week but
um definitely can uh touch base with her
on on her conversations with workforce
uh
the workforce kitchen yeah so the any
money
federal money that's available for
training comes through workforce
connections
and um and one of our problems sometimes
in attracting industries is we don't
have the
skilled workforce that they need so
um i think it would be good to set up
something with
with them so that you're in conversation
with them and
about the kinds of um businesses that
might be coming in and what kind of
skills they're looking for and workers
so that they can um be working on that
so um i can give you i can send a couple
contact
share thomas um i i don't mean to
interrupt but uh dr christelda martinez
who is the director of economic
development
does have her hand up and i believe she
may have something to contribute
um yeah okay well yeah i'm sure gizella
knows what i'm talking about
yes good afternoon pnc committee members
madam chair yes to your question yes we
are in close contact with workforce
connections
we we have been exploring different
opportunities for us to partner we
for instance in the recent announcement
of the
expansion for saputo we
made that connection between the company
and workforce connections to ensure that
we we were utilizing the
resources available we also offered
tu saputo to host
a job fair for the jobs that they're
they'll be hiring for in in the near
future
um we also included um saputo's
jobs as as part of jobs of the week
as we have on a regular
on a regular basis during council and
work sessions
so we will continue to ensure that that
those connections are there
and also we're planning to have a series
of job fairs
coming starting in august
in partnership with workforce
connections and we'll make sure to reach
out to
our tenants at the industrial park and
the airport
as potential businesses
part of the job fair so we appreciate
your your offer madam chair we're
working
on that already thank you very much
i appreciate your support i'm trying to
get them to
get more organized in terms of the
career pathways and so anytime i can get
direct information from companies and
just
specifics i want to make sure that they
get it so
thank you very much for picking that up
hey anything else madam chair again this
is catherine
i do want to just remind everyone that
um the the ordinances that that are
are being recommended this evening um
you you received two versions one in
your packet and one that i sent via
email
they were very very similar there were
just some minor um
clarifications on a couple of phrasings
and a couple of changes on the maps i
can't say that it was substantive but
the one that you will be making a
recommendation on was the one that was
sent via email
okay thank you for that
all right i think we're ready for a roll
call
hey madam chair this is uh for
recommendation approval by city council
of the las cruces innovation in
industrial park overlay zone district
regulations
um commissioner gordon
you're on mute sir
yes commissioner manis
based on yes
and the reason i'm going to i'm voting
yes because i think it'll
enhance the entire area and make it come
alive
with jobs and good industrial
jobs for people we need jobs here
commissioner guerrero um i vote yes
uh based on the staff recommendations
and
also similar to commissioner moony's
jobs but also diversifying our local
economy a little bit
i'm a big supporter of that commissioner
smith
i vote yes based on that staff
recommendation and also
uh with the you know further development
on the west side of las cruces i know
the east side has really been taken off
from a
residential standpoint and from a
commercial
and business standpoint i think
important
to develop also commissioner bennett
i vote yes i just think that this is
fantastic it's gonna
um it's gonna do some great things for
us so i like
i like where this is going um and i'm
excited for
what's what's to come uh commissioner
vega
vega about yes um similar to
commissioner thomas though i
agree with all of her statements and
would like to know or hope that there's
some thought given to
transit options outside of just a you
know single driver
driving a car one person in one car
going back and forth across town so
thank you chair thomas
yes i vote yes um also
i want us it's really nice to see
something happening out there with
between the airport and the
industrial park and at the time it got
some attention and it
looks like it's finally moving in a
better direction so
and i agree i think um commissioner vega
that um
the economic development and the people
working on this project have been
in tr in touch with um a company that
does provide band service and so
maybe we can at least not have so many
single car drivers going out there
okay so i think that passes
and now we're ready for the last item
that would be item two under new
business
i need a motion and a second to approve
it's commissioner vega in motion to
approve
there a second
thank you we have a motion in a second
to approve item number two under new
business
is there a presentation
madam chair members of the commission uh
can you hear me okay
yes this is vincent banegas interim
planner
for community development i will be
presenting
uh the case uh for
1700 arizona avenue it is an infill
uh development proposal
and uh it's listed as case 2105
current conditions involving this case
the property is presently
zoned r1a that's our single family
medium
density district this location
falls within our infill overlay district
and is subject to
following the idp process
as outlined in the zoning code uh the
property at present sits on the
southeast corner of arizona
avenue and rio grande street uh and this
location i might add might be familiar
to you all
uh there was a an alternative plan that
was brought before the commission
late last year which i'll get into in
some of the history of this case
the property sits vacant at present and
includes roughly 0.15 acres of land
and again the surrounding neighborhood
is predominantly single family in nature
single-family detached housing there are
some
alternative housing styles in and around
the subject property
but the predominant style is single
family
this is a zoning map showing the
location of a property
the cross-hatched polygon that you see
there is the subject property again on
the southeast corner of
rio grande street in arizona
i want to point out that this these two
long parcels which are not part of the
subject property
uh will come into play in terms of the
history and i'll get to that a little
bit
they have since been re-platted into one
so this map is a little dated
but it serves a purpose in talking to
the historical aspect of the development
and as you can see majority is r1a you
do
have little ellipse of zoning
r1b which is typically tight townhouse
style
development you got some r2 on far
west side of the area
and you also have some beauty zoning
south southeast of the subject property
the aerial view confirms basically that
the style of development
single family detached again
this is the subject property the aerial
view
map is again dated there is a single
family home that is currently
constructed
this includes those two townhouse lots
uh that i've just identified and so
please consider them as one lot and
consider the fact that this
property directly east of the subject
property is presently developed
having a single family detached unit on
it
okay going to the history back in 2007
this subject parcel was part of a larger
acreage that was proposed to go through
uh the approval process in this case the
idp approval process for a six lot
single story townhouse style development
or subdivision in this case there was a
variance or deviation to the r1a
standards at that time
that required consideration
and it talked to the issue of density
the density at that time was exceeded by
0.71 dwelling units so that had to be a
consideration as part of the
request back in 2007.
there was significant neighborhood
protests
citing compatibility issues not
too far from what we
heard on the previous case back in
2020 uh and not too different from
what we've been seeing come in as of
late regarding the subject proposal here
tonight
as a result of the protest um
planning and zoning commission at that
time requested that the applicant
postpone further consideration of the
matter
go back to the neighborhood and see if
there was a middle ground
with a proposed development
and in so doing the applicant came back
with a redesigned
proposal uh basically knocking
down the six lots to five lots
uh two of which were the town health
townhouse lots that i
identified in the parcel slide
and three of the lots were detached
units or
detached lots i should say for single
family development
it was approved in december of 07
and then as we know uh on november 24th
2020 the single building quadplex
version of what we're seeing tonight was
presented
to the planning zoning commission and it
basically sought to
uh be allowed to construct 57 roughly 5
700 square feet
four units each having about 1400 square
feet
consisting of obviously living
livable area and single car garage
for each unit again with this proposal
there was significant protest
from the neighborhood exciting
compatibility with the neighborhood
existing style of the neighborhood
development
the structure size there was some
the two-story aspect was concern of many
of the residents
not fitting in with the single story
style of what you saw
most out in the neighborhood increased
traffic was also concerned
additional noise being created from the
proposed development was a concern
and also solar access ultimately
that proposal was denied by a vote of
three
in favor and four against
so what we have in front of us this
evening
is a proposal that again takes
into consideration a single structure in
this case a duplex
unit so two units being proposed instead
of the four
previously it is a two-story unit
or building roughly 27 feet in height
it uh consists of roughly 4 500 square
feet
so a decrease in size from the previous
version
if you will and each unit is
looking at roughly 2250 square feet
and each unit will contain a two-car
garage
this style of development
is what the
new urbanism congress for new urbanism
calls missing metal housing type
it's basically an attempt to introduce
alternative
single-family or alternative residential
styles
in areas that are predominantly
single-family
and trying to bridge the gap in terms of
housing supply and affordability
and also to introduce walkability uh
into the equation to allow those
individuals that occupy these structures
a chance to walk to the
stores and businesses and offices that
they
would need to go to at any given day
in terms of our elevate las cruces
comprehensive plan
the area is identified as an urban
neighborhood
and as we know in reading the
comprehensive plan
it includes a variety of residential
housing types
at a density of medium to high it
also encourages a mix of single-family
detached housing types
uh including of course variations to lot
size
bill two lines and other spatial
characteristics as it relates to
development
these are the a table of deviations that
are associated with tonight's request
again the r1a standard is what we're
looking at
so we have two primary deviations
one dealing with density and one dealing
with the number of units per lot
so in the r1a zoning
district the maximum density is 8 000
per acre
uh based on the fact that we're not
dealing with a full acre
and dealing with uh 0.16 basically
acres of land the calculation obviously
goes up so we're dealing with
approximately 14 drone units per acre
as calculated the number of dwelling
units per lot in a code currently allows
one
unit per lot they are requesting two
and that it is a duplex style of
development
there are two variances these are
administrative administrative variances
that are
authorized in the las cruces design
standards and they pertain to the
driveway
uh that i will show you here in a little
bit on their site
uh the driveway with as identified in
our
design standards
codification points to the fact that
the width of the driveway cannot exceed
27 feet
what is being proposed is 36 and a half
feet
and then the distance to the corner of
the driving
apron i should say to the corner is a
minimum of 35 feet
required and what is being proposed is
17 feet 3 inches
now again those two variants related
matters
go before the
internal administrative process in this
case it will be traffic
engineering and in speaking with the
traffic engineer
that will be reviewing this matter
he did not see any significant concern
with the request given the code
and its requirements at this time uh
these items will be dealt with
and formally reviewed closer to the
building permit submittal step
in the process and so there's no
disposition of approval
denial on those matters at this time
we have some photos i'm sure most of you
have taken a drive out there if
not previously in the previous proposal
this time around perhaps but this is a
photo on the far
left looking west on arizona avenue
generally speaking where you see this
utility pole
over to further in the corner is the
subject property
right in here where you see part of this
building
that's the single family home that was
built on
uh the re-platted two townhouse lots
that were replanted back into one if you
recall
uh and so that's what that is reflecting
but again the property subject property
is located in the corner
uh and extending further
uh east uh up to the property line
that's
a border property running with this
structure
the middle photo is looking south on rio
grande street
again here is the subject property there
are two
other properties along the real brand
after the subject property corner
property and so i just wanted to reflect
that after those two vacant lots
beyond the subject property you do start
getting into some of the single family
style
development discussed here this evening
you do have
curving gutter and sidewalk along rio
grande street here
you have curb and gutter on arizona but
no sidewalk
along arizona avenue at the time of
building permits metal
if this gets approved the applicant will
be responsible for
including any missing sidewalk
that is immediately adjacent to the
principle
and then finally on the last
photo uh to the right um
you're looking southeast at subject
property from the intersection of
arizona avenue and rio grande
uh you can see our sign that we put out
there
announcing the case and
just see a lot of vacant land in that
media facility
so this is the site plan that was
submitted
for tonight's consideration uh
you can see i'll speak to the site plan
first
it is again on the corner property uh
corner of this intersection arizona rio
grande
the driveway that i briefly discussed
is located here along rio grande avenue
so access to a property will be from
little grand avenue
and there will be as
evidenced by these floor plans a
singular
uh access point to the first unit or
unit a as it's identified on arizona
avenue
again giving the appearance of a
single-family structure
and then a singular access point for
unit b
on the south side of the property line
which is located in this facility here
it is a two-story structure um bottom
obviously having the two-part garage
upper portion having bedrooms study area
or
flex area i think is how they refer to
it
and the elevation of a proposed
structure shown here
uh several um not all but several homes
do have two car
uh garages and so i think that's what
they're attempting to reflect
in this elevation and not showing any
immediate access to the structure so
again
kind of implying that there's a
possibility that this
structure is a superficial unit
in terms of public notice and input uh
reviews were sent to all relevant
agencies and departments and
nothing came back citing any significant
issues or concerns
we also sent out letters
both regular certified letters pursuant
to code
uh to the surrounding properties
and as of today i've received
three emails and one phone call
protesting
case uh one email supporting the case
and two phone calls that were neither
for against it but asking for staff
packing copy for their review
and given the previous submittal um
that involved the fourplex the applicant
was strongly encouraged to meet with the
neighborhood and try to
again seek middle ground seek ways to
resolve any concerns that the
neighborhood had
and i'll let mr noel speak to
to his experience with that
but in terms of recommendation staff is
recommending approval
again the property was vacant and
eligible for the idp
and based on what has been submitted uh
certainly falls in line
with what we feel the character in the
neighborhood
has become and uh we also
recognize that the comprehensive plan
encourages
use of alternative housing styles and
types and living arrangements
and this is one element of that and
follows the recommendation that
encourages
denser housing option within
neighborhood
urban neighborhoods and again that's a
comprehensive plan
element there and the proposal meets uh
again as indicated comprehensive plan
the infield development
overlay ordinance and criteria
for decision making by the planning
zoning commission
and follows in line with the power and
authority of the commission for
matters such as this your options here
tonight
madam chair and commissioners is to vote
yes and approve
of a request you can vote no and deny
the request
staff would recommend that you provide
new information
facts and that the facts are going to
fight here tonight
or for an affirmative vote
uh you can vote yes with conditions or
vote to table
request and that concludes that's
presentation at this time and
stands for questions thank you mr
renegas
um commissioners
anyone who would like to ask questions
or make a comment
and i can't see everybody on my screen
so
catherine you might have to point out if
there's someone who wants to speak
commissioner guerrero has his hand up
yes thank you um so this
is a perfect example of why minutes are
so important to keep
because um in that slide that said about
how like even previous the middle
protest
and the applicant was strongly
encouraged to meet the neighborhood i
was trying to remember why that was
and so i actually i remember this
perfectly like it just happened
yesterday but it was back in november of
last year
this was presented it was presented as a
four plex actually originally
um and i was just looking at them at the
i was looking at the minutes to make
sure i have the
i think i had the right place um but
there was there was a lot of contention
from the neighbors i remember and i
remember that was you know there was
some of the biggest complaints was you
know like
well you know we'd rather or not
complaints but suggestions that were
made were
prefer to have a duplex over a fourplex
um you know kind of maximize the space
um and so i'm really i am really glad to
see that it looks like mr knoll
uh who is a proponent uh to take
those things under consideration um
because there was like a petition for
like there was about 39 people that
signed against it last time and
i think this was one of the the latest
like the cases that i've stayed the
latest for
um in this commission so um i just
wanted to throw that out there just kind
of remind everybody
um i know uh i think most of us were
here
i don't think commissioner vega was here
but uh commissioner smith was in the
notes as well so
um you know just a reminder that this is
why minutes are so important um because
i needed that that refresher
chair commissioner gordon also has has
his hand up
mr gardner um i happen to agree with
uh commissioner guerrero that if
we do remember what happened back in
november this originally was proposed to
us as a four-plex
and i remember the complaints also were
the fact of parking
which now i think that fear has been
eliminated
there was also some comments and a lot
of concern about
they thought perhaps with this this
being a fourplex it was going to have to
be rentals
and they were concerned about the type
of rentals that might be that there were
other problems caused by that
basically with the additional amount of
people there would be traffic problems
but i think that this presentation of
reducing the size now to
to a duplex with only
the petitioner using one one of them and
his and his parents
using the other so i think he's very
concerned and i think he's interested in
maintaining
what he thinks is going to be very nice
for the neighborhood
and i think he's
tried to to allay the fears of the
neighbors
that this was going to be a problem and
i think if we go back and remember that
all the problems that were cited then
i think have been taken care of and what
has been presented here tonight
so let's see what happens uh with mr
noel i'm also concerned to see what his
uh if he has had any access to the
neighbors if he has a conversation
and what uh what he has uh heard and
learned
uh also i i do believe also that
uh the amount of people who were against
this last time out
was dramatically decreased to the point
where it's just
basically a letter from two people who
live i believe with the same residence
and another one that came in today and
another email
and there are also the people who are in
favor and
basically a habit to uh that's it i
think basically i think i've said what i
how i feel about this at the moment but
i'm interested in hearing what the
presenter has to say
anything else from commissioners before
we try to
um any kind of public or or through the
petitioner
okay sure there are no other hands up
from the commission
thank you catherine so um
does the petitioner want to say anything
commissioner thomas i've allowed uh mr
noel to speak
harden what did you say i've allowed
commissioner
i mean mr noel to speak okay um
hello everyone i need to swear you in
do you want to affirm the testimony
you're about to give is the truth and
nothing but the truth on their penalty
of law
yes ma'am thank you
um yeah i just want to wish everyone
a happy tuesday um
so after november happened
i definitely went around and i
looked at the neighborhood made sure
what could be compatible took in
everybody's
kind of concerns um i realized that
maybe
a fourplex would not be the best for the
neighbors
in general um so i went around and i
really did my research i looked for
kind of the aesthetics of the
neighborhood
um i was able to find that there are
some houses that are even though they're
single family there are two story
um one is literally right in front of
the property uh that i own let's see
then directly across maybe two houses
down
um i don't know if mr
uh vincent calls that a townhouse or a
duplex
um but there is a a unit
or a building that has two two sides to
it
um a joining with the wall
and i really try to go around and kind
of take into consideration what
would be um possible
and you know taking the neighbors into
consideration even though
i had tried um i guess
my drive and passion got the best i mean
for fourplex
um let's see and then i did reach out
uh to the sosa family
um i went ahead and
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tried to you know talk to them see
see what opinions they would have on a
duplex
and they kind of gave me the same um
answer
knowing kind of the aesthetics the fact
that there are a town house or a duplex
i don't know how
you call that the nearby there are
two-story houses
in and around the neighborhood there's
even a church
there and the fact that
you know the variances for this uh
property would be
smaller there's not um i believe
there was a back then there was a
variance on the backyard front yard
um amount of dwellings basically
everything
and even though i try to accommodate
back then yeah i believe
this is um this is possible
and i hope that it gets approved and
um yeah
thank you thank you for what all the
work that you've done on this
um so catherine is there any more
public other than what we've already
read or
heard about thomas there are several
attendees uh no one has their
their hand up at this point in time we
also have somebody who is on by phone
um who may or may not wish to speak they
said they would email me if they did
wish to speak because of course
they can't raise their hand via their
phone
as i'm looking nobody else has raised
their hand
and so i will leave that up to you and i
will also check my email to make sure
that i didn't receive one
um for people on the phone just for the
just for anybody that
doesn't know i think it's star six to
raise your hand just so you know
oh that's fantastic information thank
you
so do we have anyone
nobody is raising their hand
commissioner thomas
okay well then we'll go back to the
commission any further comments or
questions from commissioners
okay see none i have my hand up
okay uh just to mr noah i just have one
question it is still your intent
to have your parents occupying the
residence next door to you
uh yes if that's permitted and if
they're willing to yes well
are they going to are you planning on if
they
if they are not have they definitely
committed to you or
or if there is the other option of you
renting this out now
the last time you were here a year ago
and back in november
it was your intent the reason that you
did this was to help you finance the
cost of putting up the building
and you intended to have renters so that
would help to defray the cost
and you also mentioned at that time you
were going to have your your parents
living in
in one of the units now it's just two
units one we will be
occupying and have your parents
definitely committed to moving into the
second one
currently that's still a plan yes
all right well thank you and that's why
we try to make it look like
one house also i understand i appreciate
your answer thank you
thank you anyone else
okay i guess we're ready for roll call
okay
madam chair this is for approval of the
idp at 1700
arizona commissioner gordon
uh i did a site visit um i think it's
compatible
i think it takes care of the idp problem
not the problem but having to to to take
care of
satisfying that need there is definite
commitment to elevate las cruces to
generate
some kubernetes i think this will be a
nice addition to the neighborhood
i think the discussion was fine um and
staff i agree with staff recommendations
i just hope that um this goes through as
planned
and i wish the gentleman's success and i
therefore
vote yes moniz
i'm going to vote no because the
majority of the area
is r1 and there's people who've
built their single family homes and i
think we have lots of high density
building
going on in the city so my answer at
this time
is no commissioner guerrero
uh yes so last time i voted no
and again there was there was just a
number of concerns um
and i'm not seeing those concerns so uh
you know i i uh really appreciate
uh just again this from mr knoll just
really appreciate the fact that you took
a lot of their consideration
um and maybe it's you know now it's just
gonna be you and your parents maybe
someday you'll get to rent it out that's
totally up to you but
uh all that to be said i vote yes i feel
like uh you know like
you did take under consideration and as
well
as it uh i believe actually as a duplex
it does fit with a neighborhood
um as well and um yeah that's it
commissioner smith uh
based on staff recommendation and also a
previous
site visit um i vote yes
and partly adding to that uh
just two blocks away from me there are
similar
style homes being built duplexes and i
live in you know
a very old home and and so
you know the addition of this this type
of housing
hasn't taken away from um you know just
the the neighborhood the
you know the older homes that are here
plus you know with the need for
affordable housing in the city uh i live
downtown
um i like seeing people um
you know continuing to to want to live
downtown
uh particularly you know uh you know
just a mix of
younger people older people um you know
to to really keep
you know downtown and and uh and the
continuation of
revitalization of downtown so
i think this this design that he has
come up with this plan
we're losing you
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okay uh commissioner bennett
uh vote yes um it meets elevate las
cruces
uh the staff recommendation um
i i i think he did um you know come
together and uh
and put something that kind of meets um
the neighborhood kind of halfway with
the duplex instead of the
quad plex um and we're filming uh
a vacant property so i vote yes
mr vega based on the staff
recommendations and
um the walkability of the area adding
some denser housing actually i'm
supportive of it
fits the elevate las cruces plan and it
sounds like
i wasn't here for the november meeting
but it sounds like significant changes
were made
um to support the
neighbors recommendations so i vote yes
and chair thomas um i vote yes
because of um what we're looking for in
terms of elevate las cruces
and also in our infill policy and
work we're trying to do in that area to
increase the density sumpt in order to
support
south solano and el paseo
and um i live in a duplex
in a neighborhood with a lot of
townhomes and single-family
apartment building some very expensive
uh single-family six seven hundred
thousand dollars
so i i live in a neighborhood with
wildly diverse
types of housing and um and
it works very well and um
i happen to know that in
in las cruces we have quite a bit of
affordable housing at the very low end
and we have lots and lots of housing at
the very expensive end but we
have hardly anything in the middle and
so i'm a
big proponent of missing middle housing
and i hope this will be a
um a good uh uh
something that we can look at and see in
order to show how this kind of
missing little housing can work so i
vote yes as well
so that passes six to one
and now we're on to what's next on the
agenda
that was the end of the new business
commission commentary
anybody have any comments to make
i do is commissioner gordon go ahead
i have two items number one
i just have to just say that in trying
to find 275 north main street
was almost somewhat of a hassle and the
reason is as you drive through the city
and if you try to identify what the
address is on any building
you rarely see a number and luckily if
you find a street sign that shows you
such and such a street number 200 and
then another next block it says
such and such a street three hundred
well then you can take a chance that
somewhere
between 200 or 300 might be the number
you're looking for
i don't see any reason why city council
can't or
even community development can sort of
generate the idea of
making it a mandatory for
buildings to have numbers on it when i
lived in florida and i worked with the
i was on the
palm beach county government i worked as
administrative assistant to the palm
beach commissioner
uh this was one of the items that was
brought up and it was passed unanimously
it would be a great help for people
trying to find
what they're looking for and you go out
and try it sometime to see how difficult
it can be
also in relation to the same thing
relating to the same thing there's no
reason and when i lived also in florida
and even if you go to to tucson
you'll be driving down the street say
for example there'll be a sign that says
such and such a street and that's the
next street that you're going to come to
so you don't have to wait till you're
just
50 feet away from it trying to read a
sign and worrying about traffic coming
to an
intersection that you at least know
which street you're coming to
perhaps that should also be something
that should be identified and may be
considered
it will help a lot of people to navigate
that's the first item the second item
david i know i answered this the other
day but just remember
as a reminder if you please could try to
give us that list
thank you that was your list of names
and phone numbers and contact
information yes
commissioner gordon this is catherine um
i have
asked our uh admin assistant to to
prepare those for you and send them your
way
and i will ask her where she is in that
process and be sure to provide those to
you shortly
yeah that should go to the whole
commission
that is correct thank you we would
really appreciate it very much thank you
yes and it would helpful if if you put
um
adrian's uh contact information as well
sometimes i i needed to get a hold of
him today
any other um commission commentary
chair thomas um our director also has
his hand up larry nichols
yes yes staff announcements go right
ahead
uh well yeah good after good evening uh
commissioner the chairman and
commissioners uh larry nicholas
community development uh actually i i do
have a few announcements for
for staff but primary first of all i
would like to
answer commissioner gordon is uh
concerned about
building addresses and have uh
we needed something there to assure that
that happens
um we they that currently that language
is in our building code
we do a really i think we do a pretty
good job
uh inspecting for that one on our final
inspections
before we issue certificates of
occupancy
uh in the residential it's a little more
not as well done but they do uh publish
those addresses on
on the curb in most of our subdivisions
uh but answering your question uh
commissioner gordon
that is on our code our building code uh
we will do a better job of assuring
those
addresses are on buildings for one thing
it has a lot to do with public safety
you know response for the fire
department the police department
so we even have in the code it even
gives the height of the letters
that they need to be contrasting to the
background
so we'll we'll do a better job on
inspecting and
uh for that for the addresses um i i
share your concern i
i've experienced them myself i think
excuse me larry it's really the problem
is with the older buildings not the new
ones
yes sir that's correct but we need to go
back and revisit that and uh
get code enforcement to help me with
that go and visit
existing structures and get the get
their addresses on the building
it's important you're right sir madam
chair this is
david weir there's uh an addressing
ordinance that the
the address needs to be either posted on
the building or painted on the
uh curve of the street in front of the
building so there there are
several places where addresses um
uh required and as mr nichols said
uh we can work with with code
enforcement
on those those activities
thank you did you have something else mr
nichols
thank you madam chairman uh
commissioners uh for the record larry
nichols
community development i do have uh three
items i'd like to
call it for the good of the order for
the commission uh
first is city hall uh reopening
uh the city manager has declared that
we'll be reopening
on july the first
this is a result of
the the county and the city meeting the
public health classification of nearly
60 some percent for
vaccinations and so that's going to
enable the
plenty of zoning commission to meet in
city chambers
for i believe it's the july 20th meeting
i think that's the third uh tuesday in
july
but the main thing is that we'll be back
in chambers and i know
everyone is looking forward to that
uh the next item i have is a community
development department
over the last month and a half or two
we've been
uh experiencing some re-uh
reassignment some reorganization uh with
our department
i think i mentioned last time that the
community improvement program
in community development has been
transferred to the economic development
department and they're working
with the economic uh
development uh at this time we still do
a lot of
coordination and we still because the
indigenous development
economic development are like peas and
carrots we're all
the same we're all together on this uh
on how we're developing our community um
and then again another item uh yeah
we've lost
our uh our senior planner sergina
bassnet has been reassigned to the
city manager's office her new title will
be
performance officer she'll be
seeing how all departments are working
with the
elevate las cruces comprehensive plan
within their departments and their
programs so we'll be recruiting
uh for another senior planner
and that advertisement will be going out
shortly
uh then the last item that i wanted to
uh
to visit with you about is that we all
are aware
that the new mexico state legislature
this last session
had approved a house bill 2 which was
the
cannabis they call it the cannabis bill
which gave different
company you know different
use of cannabis uh recreational use as
well as
medical use is going to be it's going to
require the city
community development department city
manager's office
the legal department to
begin to compose and develop a
cannabis ordinance
and then once we have that uh develop
we're working very
uh energetically on it right now but
once that is uh put in draft form and
presentation form
uh we think it will be about august of
this year
of course and that will come before the
pnc
for your review and your recommendation
for city council consideration
the target date is and we have
the uh initial ordinance on
um for september the first
for cultivation and for
a recreational personal use
then by january of 2022
will be the remainder of the ordinance
and that will involve
the more commercial endeavor and the
more
a larger scale cannabis
development but
we'll be doing outreach as well public
outreach on this on this new ordinance
mr ware and and
miss harrison rogers catherine they're
working extensively on this
with the city manager's office and is
coming together
quite quickly those are my
announcements for the good of the order
madam chairman and uh
thank you for the time i yield the floor
back to you
thank you for all those exciting
announcements mr nichols
madam chair we do have a couple of
people with their hands up they've been
waiting patiently
okay commissioner guerrero and then we
also have a member of the public
who has their hand up william ross okay
so commissioner you want to go first
uh yeah so i just wanted to make a
comment about um
just uh as we are preparing to
get back in person together um
and i know we're all super super excited
about that um you know
one thing that's really been on my mind
is just like how more accessible
uh zoom and other uh virtual platforms
have
made it for people to participate
in the government process in general and
and uh just be more active in their
community so
um i just wanted to throw this out i
don't know maybe
you know i don't know if it's like way
above our wheelhouse or the city's been
thinking about it
um i've heard that uh i think the new
mexico house
is planning next year to kind of have
like a hybrid
session still where they'll still allow
people to do call-ins
uh for public comment um of course this
was
when i heard about this this was this
was way before um
restrictions were going to be lifted and
we started you know people still weren't
sure about
when vaccines were all going to be
available so it's been a while um so
that the plan may have changed um
but uh i mean i do as much as i really
want to
be in the same room as you all and i'm
super excited about that um
i think you know we definitely want to
honor i mean you know sometimes people
can't make it to
a meeting when they don't know when
they're going to speak and it might be
easier for them like you know people
with children or
uh elderly individuals may not be able
to make it
to a meeting it might be easier for them
to call so um i just wanted to throw
that out there maybe this is part of a
larger conversation that the city can
have in the future about
accessibility um but yeah i'm just
excited to
see your faces again in person and not
in front of my computer
thank you for that oh commissioner smith
did you want to say something
about that uh no but
i just um i i kind of do agree with uh
commissioner guerrero
uh about being excited to to finally
meet in chambers uh in person get to
meet everyone
you know face to face um however you
know
i i work for bureau land management and
i'm a wildland firefighter and also a
fire information officer and
as you know wildfires are starting to
heat up in the west and
i am hoping to be here uh for that very
first in-person uh
uh meeting but uh i can make no
guarantees going into the month of uh
july um but i i am excited
as commissioner guerrell said to to
actually meet in person meet in chambers
for that first uh in-person meeting and
i'm hoping i'm crossing my fingers that
uh i will be here
and uh maybe i'll i'll get called on the
fire assignment
after july 20th
thank you we hope to see you and there
was a member of the public
catherine
i've allowed them to talk it's mr
william ross
hey mr ross did you um did you want to
comment on something should i swear you
in
um well it's just a general comment
just a general comment in response to uh
commissioner gordon's uh
concern about the uh addressing uh in
the downtown
area on main street um
yeah uh i'm the managing member of the
llc that
operates the building at 275 north main
i think downtown we did have numbers on
the door
and the tenant may have possibly removed
those numbers from the door
but it's something that that we want to
design into the building
um another issue that that
that i've run into while uh walking up
and down the street
a lot of people are confused um as to
the numbering
primarily because grigg street is
is um the eastern
east and west corridor which separates
north main
from south main so as you proceed north
on
main street from griggs you're going 100
up
and as you proceed south on greek street
you
you're once again going 100 south
and um people looking for
200 south main street are
wandering around in the north street
section
of the street not realizing
that there's a dividing line
so i would encourage
um when when looking at
um encouraging people property owners
and and and tenants to um
address their buildings to also
incorporate
the north and south main portion of the
address
on the building itself um and that's
that's that's my my concern as well and
i will i will definitely be addressing
that issue on my building
thank you thank you very much that's a
that's uh useful information and maybe
we can get the city to
say put something up about north main
this way in south maine that way
and that would help people in the future
so but if you've ever tried to find
anything in santa fe
you know it's much worse there than it
is in las cruces
they don't have any numbers on buildings
it seems
so other if there aren't any more
comments uh entertain
a motion to adjourn
all right commissioner gordon i make a
motion will you adjourn is there a
second
i'll second it so we can all go grab
dinner yeah
okay every i've you can just my voice
say
yes and and we'll adjourn everybody
ready to adjourn
yes yes okay thank you
thank you for being here right good
looking at everyone bye good night
everyone
um
right here
you