thank you foreign I don't know foreign good morning thank you for joining us this morning at the ascmv built meeting I'd like to call this meeting to order um uh I'm if you all would join me in the Pledge of Allegiance please and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you um Becky I would ask that we determined we have a quorum board member Ward president board member Enriquez president board member Macias board member Flores is absent warmer Ellens is absent woman here former Sanchez is absent and chair corn here thank you yes we have Quorum thank you thank you very much Becky I would entertain a motion to approve the agenda and I would propose one minor change to shift report the Coalition for pets and people report to the end of the committee reports so we are sorry number five a shifted to 5D functionally so I would entertain a motion with that friendly Amendment so moved um with the changes that chair Quran has indicated thank you thank you is there a second from anyone can people second yes please second manager thank you thank you and if you need a third I'll put it in as well thank you I appreciate it if we can call it call the vote please yes board member board yes board member Enriquez yes former Macias yes board member Gandara yes chair Quran yes the agenda is approved as amended and then before you in your packet we also have the minutes from the August 25th meeting hope that you've had a chance to look those over and after having done so I would entertain a motion to approve Madam chair I move that we approve the uh minutes of the meeting held on the 25th of August of 2022. second Gandara thank you thank the board member Macias and seconded by board member Gandara any amendments hearing none uh back here if we could please board member Ward yes former Macias yes former Enriquez yes a chair colon yes thank you the minutes to the August 25th meeting have been approved next up we have the reports and presentations so we'll hear from the city and county acos first please City oh whichever you you guys decide thank you good morning good morning there we go good morning everyone I'm Brian Hulsey I'm the case worker for donana County Animal Control I'm now be giving the August 2022 monthly report for our reported Strays for August we had 293 reported stray animals out of those animals we picked up 234 Strays out of those 94 were cats 140 were stray dogs we had 17 sick or injured animals in the month of August we had 10 cats and seven dogs and we had 14 owners surrendered dogs this is our report history animal called four-year comparison chart and as you can see August was a little bit higher and most months August usually is one of our higher months because it's getting towards the tail end of the breeding seasons and everything for the cats so we usually end up picking up a lot more cats um this is our four-year RTO or field return to owner comparison chart for the month of August 2022 we had 16. for addition animals picked up again we had no owner surrendered cats we had 14 owner surrendered dogs we had 17 sick or injured animals we had one welfare hold and that's again if a sheriff unit or State Police they go and pick up a cat or go pick up a person and they have a cat or a dog inside the vehicle we usually go and pick up the cat or dog and take it as a welfare hold uh we had nine shelter quarantines we had zero neglect we had two home quarantines we had two cases that are being held at our courthold for either quarantine or for a vicious or a livestock attack currently we have eight animals being held in our live evidence facility awaiting for court or anything along those lines and we had one rabies submission that turned to be negative um these are our districts for for the county and these are cats and dogs picked up per District in district one we had seven dogs in District Two we had 28 cats and 24 dogs in District three we had seven cats and 27 dogs District Four was our high one again it was people started to trap cats again in District Four a couple months prior we had a very big spike in that and it kind of went down now they're starting to trap again so we had 66 and most of those were cats District Five we had 14 districts 6 we had 17 and district 7. for some reason we saw a spike in a lot of stray dogs and so we were had a lot in that area these are stray cats picked up by District for for the year these are our stray dogs again you can see that big spike in district 7 for the all the stray dogs that we were able to pick up in August and these are regions of release of ownership we had five that the people just weren't able to take care of them we had two that were livestock or vicious attacks we had two that were just old and they requested for euthanasia I believe one of them was sick at the time as well this is a new one for most people we had four that were transported for hatch so we have a contract with hatch sometimes they have us go and pick up some of their dogs in this case it was for owner releases that they had for us to pick up for them and we had one that was aggressive um one other thing for our our vicious for this or for August as well is the vicious dogs were attacking other dogs of the same owner so they just wanted to get rid of the vicious one and for that I stand for any questions thank you and if we could also let the record reflect the board member Flores says join us please thank thank you very much good morning good morning board members Lieutenant Joy wheeler for the record and I will have our city Animal Control Park I'm looking to how to make it bigger there we go foreign good morning this is going to be the report for our August numbers we had 505 reported stray animals for August of 2022 275 were gone on arrival 230 stray animals were apprehended 197th Strays were impounded at the shelter that included 102 dogs and 95 cats 33 were successfully billed returns 18 were unsuccessful attempted field returns that ended up being impounded at the shelter uh that meant that there was a total of 51 identiful aisles stray animals that number is from the successful and the unsuccessful attempts here are our numbers over the years for 2020 2021 and 2022. uh you can see we are currently in the yellow and so very similar numbers to last year in 2021 as far as reported strikes again here's your field return to owner comparison again we are in the yellow for 2022 as you can see compared to 2021 we dipped down a bit but it was very comparable to what we did back in 2020. here's our community cap program and again this is something that we are tracking that is new since we've passed that Community cat ordinance uh 2022 it shows the cat and trap calls so for August of this year we had 39 of that there were eight that were already part of that Community cap program and they were released obviously the goal here would be to see these numbers reversing in the future here are our reasons for the owners releasing their animals we had seven in reference to dogs that were aggression towards people and or others or pets one was towards a child one was towards the owner one actually bit the child in the face three dogs were the owners no longer can afford to have them two dogs where the new landlord does not allow the dogs two dogs were their court orders to be removed from the home uh one that was a dog that was injured one because the dog was old one because the dog was damaging property and escaping one was a cat owner moving across the country and did not want to put the cat through the excessive travel another one was a cat owner and was moving and could not take the cat with them here are those reasons why we were unable to field return to owners when the Animal control officer was in the field eight were no contact by phone or at the residence in this kind of circumstance a lot of times it can be the Animal control officer trying to reach them late at night and if we're not able to reach them late at night we have to take them to the shelter seven the chip was not up to date one the owner was visiting in Mexico another one where the owner lived in El Paso and could not pick up the animal another one where the owner stated that they could pick it up later from the shelter and that is the report any questions thank you lieutenant any questions from the board none hearing none thank you very much next up we'll hear from from Clint thanks for the shelter statistics good morning chair board Quint Thacker executive director at the Animal Service Center massillo Valley again I'd like to give a special thank you to Bernice Navarro for preparing this she needs to get extra credit because I have been home ill Monday and Tuesday and half of Wednesday and so she was putting all this together on her own so I really appreciate her doing that her services are invaluable to me these numbers are from our August currently at the center however there's 521 animals at the Animal Service Center Museum Valley intake we had a huge Spike and then it'll intake 886 animals 473 dogs 407 cats we are we know that August is a high month anyways but this was a surprise but boy did we feel that August was a hard hard month we did our best to keep animals moving through the center and having with a live outcome some returns of adoptions now we had five dogs and four cats as you look at those reasons just know that we always ask why and then we present offerings for them we partner with donana County Humane Society the rough to ready program it's called so on behavior issues Donita County Humane Society actually pays for a behaviorist to come to their home for one session and they can help them with any of the problems they have some people do as I reported last time they do take advantage of that and they do a fantastic job the the trainer that they have goes into their home and tells them what needs to change and some of them do make those changes however as you know when somebody's fed up with something and done they're done so those numbers for the returns there and it looks like a dog's allergic to humans there that'd be two diverted intakes 267. this question came up in a board meeting one time so we included this slide we're gonna once we get enough data for several months we're going to be putting on a graph so you can see if it goes up or down diverted intake is anything where our staff does something to divert the animal from coming into the center so it could be trade or scan the somebody says I found this dog we scan a microchip and the has an owner we contact they come and get it it's that boom it's diverted or they come to owner surrender an animal and we say here's some resources for you we ask that you contact them first and so they make Con they call those and they said oh I found a rescue that can take the animal so another one that's diverted so 267 animals were diverted um from by our front staff and others we end the the August with a 73.3 percent live release rate and when you consider the numbers of animals that we had coming in that is a phenomenal live release rate higher than the than last year 2021 which had a significant lower intake number 26 percent of our of the outcomes were adoptions 10 were reclaims 21 were rescues Community cats were 18 percent and euthanasia excuse me euthanasia was 28 percent with 247. so that's 73.3 percent live release rate live release rate is animals that left this the facility alive that came in these are our rescue partners that we went with in August that took animals from us so they all together took 192. we thank each and every one of those locally action program for Animals broken promises cherished canines I know there's others on there but all of all of our local rescues do phenomenal work in taking dogs from us and we appreciate each and every one of what they do we did have to travel a little bit further this time we made some trips to Denver we made some trips to Tucson but it was worth having those animals leave the center alive into new homes that love and cherish them so a total of 192. the breakdown's 138 dogs and 53 cats here's our euthanasia reasons our number one euthanasia reasons for dogs is still medical and you see that it says space medical so remember when we do need to make space we're not euthanizing healthy animals for space we look at our first thing we look at is medical reasons so that's why it says medical space we looked at them specifically to make space but they do have medical reasons for that the next highest or I'm sorry the highest for cats is failure to thrive this is generally for kittens when they come in and these kittens we get high numbers of them this time of year and they just do have a failure to thrive so they are euthanized the next highest for the dogs is behavior aggressive so those are the two most common for the dogs and the next it looks like you would be respiratory for cats I Believe those are this time of year those two reasons are exactly spot on with the high number of animals in the center and the respiratory signs in the respiratory issues I believe that is concurrent to what we're seeing our surgeries continue to do an incredible amount of work trap new to return surgeries did 146 adoptions 158 shelter Foster 57 and other is 80 441 surgeries in the month of August is phenomenal if you've ever been to the Animal Service Center you know that there's one room one veterinarian working at one time with a four individuals prepping the animal while they're prepping it moving animals back and forth and then doing recovery in the area they are working all the time and we appreciate all that they do phenomenal numbers from a small dedicated team just so you know other [Music] excuse me other is like somebody comes and reclaims their animal return to owner and they said they would like it the animal sterilized so we allow that and we do that there's also if a individual goes through Snap the the program SNAP program then we also euthanize I'm sorry sterilize for that too so those are as an example of some of the others that we have other surgeries may be amputations or fixing what a surgery or if what a sterilization complications Etc total visitors and 1909 to the ascmv last month this is a slide showing that we had 113 appointments for adoptions and you see that 66 percent of those 113 ended in adoptions so that's a great number over half 66 percent of the 113 resulted in adoptions for an appointments and when you look at our walk-in so 408 individuals came into the center and signed the sheet and checked the box that says I'm here to adopt and they walk in fully expecting to adopt well 26 of those ended in adoption we still see that the appointment based is is still a higher percentage but we're still moving animals with the walk-in method as well volunteers are doing an incredible amount of work 846 hours of volunteer time that was dedicated to us 75 on the Walking team did an amazing job this time getting through events and getting the dogs walked thank you our website had forty thousand three hundred and ninety views uh just to remember a view is each page not just a new new hit so if they're looking at a dog and they go back and browse the dogs and they click on another dog so that would be two two views there and Facebook stayed pretty much the same with the 4435. I know that we were heavily present on our Facebook page this last month because of our best friends and also working with Donia County Humane Society and we had several events going on Via via Facebook and here's Devin and Guido our pets of the week they can entertain any questions that you may have thank you very much Richard Thacker um any questions from from the board members oh board member Flores please I don't have a question I just want to thank you Clint for all your work and Bernice yes you deserve a raise I hereby Grant you a raise no but thank you very much for all your work thank you thank you board member Flores thank you Clint um also Becky if we can please note that board member Sanchez has joined us please thank you um next up we're going to hear from committee reports and I think we're starting off with the finance committee and there are a few items to cover under that so please come on up good morning chair and board members yeah we had a finance committee last Thursday and we went over the financials there was no real significant issues in which Mr Lerma will come out today and and prevent present the financials and then after he's done I'd like to ask Leanne Demus to come up she has a recommendation for the board thank you thank you very much Mr Lima thank you thank you madam chair my name is Armando Lerma accountant with the finance department and I'll be presenting the monthly financials for the period ending August of 2022. foreign we'll start with the statement of net position we had a cash balance of one million 208 651 dollars which makes up our total assets liabilities we had a balance of 114 561 dollars Revenue collected in advance 540 dollars which leaves us a unassigned fund balance of eight hundred and eighteen thousand five hundred and fifty dollars okay next we have our change in net position total revenues through August are 979 175 dollars and total expenditures are 462 299 dollars which equals a positive net change of 876 dollars okay next we have our change in net position budget to actual same numbers as the previous slide just as they compare to budget so this being the second month of the year budget parameters 16.7 percent uh total revenues are at 23.4 percent of budget and total expenditures are 11.5 percent of budget so well under that budget parameter okay next is our revenues and expenditures per month how we could see our revenues decreased quite a bit from 720 000 to 259 000. um the biggest reason for that is the way uh the city and the county contribute to the Animal Service Center the initial month they make a 22 percent contribution of the total budget and then the remaining balance is paid out you know evenly over the remaining 11 months so going forward we can expect to see a more consistent Revenue and then expenses increased 138 000 to the biggest reason for that increase was salaries and that's due to the way we do the um the accrual for the fiscal year 2022 so in July that payroll the first payroll in July the period the pay period some of that includes June so we incorporate that amount into our June financials which brings down the July amount so that's that's the main reason for our our salaries being so low in July okay next we have a percentage of total expenditures so total expenditures are 462 299 dollars of that salary was 52 percent benefits 18 percent temporary services three percent repairs and maintenance 0.3 percent is 15 supplies three Insurance eight and other of one percent okay I will now stand for any questions thank you very much Armando is is the cat's name Binks or I have that same question this is the one that I got that's the one that's the one that we have for the city and it seemed seemed appropriate for the relaunch of Hocus Pocus but uh now I'm not sure but either way an adorable black cat I think so any questions from the board board member Flores please thank you madam chair and thank you so much for your presentation on the prior page page six a year-to-date expenditures you have the percentages of what it's gone to to date but what is a percentage of 462 299 of the entire annual budget do you know I mean do you do that that's gonna be should be 112 right or two 12s yeah it's that 11.5 percent amount yeah okay great thank you very much yes yes thank you board member Flores other questions from the board hearing none thank you thank you thank you Mr Number uh would you like to invite Mr come up and give us some insight please thank you chairman board chairs this is just a recommendation to the board um it's something that we and the financial services have discussed this as you know for Animal Service Center we're the Fiscal Agent and so we just have sorry the can you state your name sorry uh for the record my name's Leanne de mush and I'm the finance director for the city of Las Cruces we have a very short presentation again this is just a finance recommendation one of the recommendations that we would like to make to the board is the consideration of going back to a reserve it is not a requirement for the Fiscal Agent however this is something that they had prior to 2019 and I think some of you that have been on this board for a while I want to say counselor gandada when I went back in the minutes I saw your name in there in the minutes because I did go back to this particular resolution which was in 2019 which is 2019-09 and there was a recommendation to remove the reserve the 112th and as you can see the 112th is on the expenditures we as a city the city of Las Cruces and also the county are required by the state to have a reserve and we would like to make this recommendation and go back possibly to this reserve for the Animal Service Center one of the reasons that we would like to see an adoption of a 112th Reserve is because of course this is best practices are the gfoa which is our government Finance Officers Association recommends this 112th Reserve because it maintains the adequate levels of funding balance to mitigate any current or future risk the animal services the Animal Service Center may have it also replenishes the fund balance within one or three years of use and as you notice from Mr lerma's art the fund balance currently is only 301 thousand dollars um it has also been more than three years since we adopted this in 2019 um it so that we've used those reserves I think at the time that when I went back into the minutes to see why this policy was adopted it was because of the fund balance being needed for you know the expenditures at that time and so we just would like the recommendation of just for the board to consider going back to the 112th the also the one a 12th Reserve just let you know it's only one month of expenditures so that way if something happened they would have one month you know of fixed cost that they could pay it also mitigates the risk of any audit findings currently the New Mexico state auditor 2.2.2.10 if you have budgeted expenditures or more than the budgeted reserve and currently the Animal Service Center expenditures are higher than the revenue then the prior year cash should cover the deficit and and it currently does but if we could have that Reserve 112th then we know that this possibility of not having an audit finding would really help in the future just to give you an idea this is the same numbers that you just recently saw what we are showing you as you see the beginning balance is three hundred and one thousand the revenues currently that are budgeted at about 4.1 and the expenditures are about 4.3 as you can see there is a resolution going forward to you of a transfer from their operating to their capital and that resolution will be later on so that gives them an ending balance of a hundred and forty four thousand the 112th reserve requirement would be that they would need to have 357 thousand dollars for that Reserve right now um reserved we find them with the city that they're really critical for financial planning we actually with the city adopted another 112th so we're required uh local and the state to have two 12s we find that to really help with risk mitigation it protects us from RE reducing our service levels just like that's what we want to acquire for the Animal Service Center and also it helps with raising fees and then hopefully meeting operating needs and meeting future needs and with that myself and of course I have the accounting staff here if you have any questions and of course this is only a recommendation from us to the board so it might be something future and later that you might want to discuss but we wanted to bring this forward to you thank you so much chair thank you very much I would entertain questions from the board um Civic to this and then we can talk about what the next steps might be please board members yes do you have the ending balances of the budget for the last three fiscal years for the Animal Services Center board chair board chair board Macias I do not have that in front of me sir but I can get that to you um hopefully by tomorrow we can pull that information for you are you aware whether there were balances or not yes sir there were balances at that time and would the balance have covered the 112th requirement I think and I'm going to ask my Contra yeah no sir they wouldn't have I I was pretty sure that that was the answer but I was asked I was going to ask her to come up because she knows those numbers this is my comptroller uh Josie Trevino good morning Jose Trevino comptroller no the past three years did not the reason we removed the fund policy reserved in 2019 was because we were not going to meet the 112. so prior to 2019 yes they were meeting we have not met 2019 2021 I'm sorry 20 21 22 and as you're going to see a resolution come up that'll be fiscal year 23. so prior to 2019 we would after 2019 we did not are you able to share the numbers yes we are not with me right now but yes we can share the numbers do you have just a sense in terms of this last fiscal year what the balance was as you close the books up uh so fiscal year 22 as it shows here was it the 144 no uh it's the 301. oh yeah so these are unaudited because we're still working with fiscal year 22 but I don't see any changes going in after audit so it is 301. So currently you're 22. forgive me Madam chair uh you were just short to 56 000. if your beginning balance is 301 and what you and your reserve that you're looking for is the 357. the reserve would be on the budgeted expenditures so it would be 1 12 of your budget expenditures so 4.2 times the 112 is the 357 and yes we would be short to 56. yes so that would have been a yes okay so again the the gap between the two isn't isn't that much at least for this last fiscal year that's why I'd be interested in looking at the prior to fiscal years as well and I understand the intent I'm not opposed to the intent I'm just trying to get a sense of where where the potential exposure to the to the Animal Services operation is thank you thank you for giving me thank you thank you board member Flores thank you so much um my question is if we had 301 674 dollars at this point you know just looking at what we have there where are we going to get the money to have that 12 112th Reserve I mean if it's not there it's not there so where does it come from if all that money has already been allocated or expended this is where planning comes in and where we start looking at our expenditures and our revenues if needed to get back to where we were so well yeah that's a given but what exactly is well I guess that's a budgetary item or that's something that Finance does and as Leann knows I'm a total when it comes to numbers and stuff like that but not entirely stupid um so my question it remains how are you going to are you just going to move numbers around or what how it does come through the budget and the planning just planning yes so then does that mean then that certain budgetary items are money is taken from those allocations or allocated expenditures future expenditures support chair um board member Flores it could be a combination of different things it could be that we could ask for an increase in the revenue again we could also look at lowering some of his expenditures it could be raising fees it could be as Miss Trevino said it it's a mixture of planning and that's something I think that the director in the Animal Service Center would need to get together and do that planning okay so yeah that makes a lot of sense to me so does that mean that Clint Bernice well Mr Navarro and Mr Thatcher will get together with your department Liam um Madam chair and Madam chairman chair floors that is that it we could work with them and work on that if that is something that this board would like to adopt and to recommend going back to the 112th um or it could just you know if the board decides that they don't want to adopt the 112 we just keep going status quo with what it is right now so Leanne or Mr Bush are you then going to have you already met with Clint and Bernice or the powers that I need um Madam chair chairman Flores I know that the budget department has been meeting with him off and on um we have not sat down and I'll say like a work session or to look at you know how he could be reducing his expenditures it could be that maybe they need to come up with a long-term plan like a five-year financial plan that might be be something that we could sit down and work with them in conjunction yes ma'am great I thank you so much Mr Irina and Mr Moosh and thank you madam chair thank you board member Flores board member Sanchez please thank you madam chair uh Mr moonshine I'm trying to get under at least a little bit of the historical uh understanding of why I guess I'm taking a guess here understanding that they didn't they were not going to meet the 112th Reserve in 2019 is that associated with the capital expenditures that began in 2019 and continued through this day because I mean we've had uh the the renovations that went on at the ascmv 2019 2020 and then now you have the expansion going on so I didn't know if that increase of budget because of the capital expenditures and that increase of the amount for the reserve the necessary Reserve would have caused the board at that time Madam chair chairman Sanchez I do not believe I don't want to say 100 with Shore it's a little difficult for me to even remember yesterday back into 2019 but I'm pretty sure that all of this was in operating which is their operating budget which is the 7440. all of the capital expenditures are in 7441 and that particular fund is doing okay I also think at that time back in 2019 and I'm looking at board member Gondola to see if she could help me remember but I also think that at that time and maybe even the the year after that which was 2020 we even forego the city did the administrative fees at that time as well which I want to say were like probably about eighty thousand dollars and we foregoat even that in the 212s to help out on the budget and expenditures for the Opera really fun okay and I'm just trying to get an idea because I was understanding so that the 112th is based off of the 7440 does not include the 741 okay that is correct all right I appreciate that clarification and that was going to be my my question by next because I was understanding if we try to plan and do this any future steps given where we're going in the future how that would affect the numbers that we're looking at but I think clarifying that it's only for 7440 makes a huge helps me understand that better so thank you so much Mr Moosh and appreciate that information thank you madam chair and board chair and board members what we can do is we can get the the numbers to you that board member Macias wanted will get the three years to you we can actually probably go back five years as well and we also have a copy of that resolution which is attached to it as an exhibit which is the fund balance policy that was adopted at that time so we'll hand that we'll deliver that to Mr Enriquez and he can send it out thank you so I just want to sum up what sort of is the proposal here or the idea and then knowing that we have to have subsequent conversations just to get a sense of what you all see my sense is this is taking something that has been sort of um in the general fund balance and making a specific budget item that would be less touchable on not touchable in this in this sense that would be slightly more than it has been in the recent history which would probably require some type of operational changes and shifting to that budget model so that just to clarify if we passed a resolution to to do that that's what that that would mean correct uh board chair that is correct okay and and the the positive outcomes of this include increased risk reduction sort of uh risk mitigation I I don't know that we necessarily have a fee leverage a place to leverage fees necessarily in the ascmv budget typically in terms of revenues but I do wonder if we have things I don't think we have significant Debt Service either that would that would benefit from increasing a reserve so just to put some of the other things that might normally be benefits of having a 112th I don't know the things like Bond ratings are or anything like that are at play so hearing all of those pros and cons and the ones that that are at should we what I'm looking toward the board to see do you feel like this is something we should consider and have those conversations and and work with Clint in the budget office to I appreciate the presentation um yeah we definitely need to be fiscally responsible and I think moving in this direction is is at least to have the conversation is worthwhile um I like the idea of getting the numbers from five years and really looking at different things that have happened along the way um I I think it's important and and as we continue to be prudent especially that we're opening up a new facility um and and it so I'm I'm I think we should move forward but we this should probably be a part of our strategic planning event that we have um coming up um I I don't know that we'll have a significant amount of time I don't know what that agenda is going to look like but it's something we should definitely talk about and moving forward and maybe I would recommend a work session and I'd like to hear from Clint about what he is um you know I I noticed I think it came it feels like it came as a surprise um and I want for Clint to to to come up and speak to what he's willing to do with his analyst moving forward because I think that's important thank you Leanne thank you so much Madam chair could I just get one clarification because I think it's we don't need to perhaps over complicate the issue what we're looking for is a reserve of 357 thousand dollars and you know the city and the county budgets we it's the reserves are in the millions millions of dollars and so yes you can't spend on in an emergency situation Beyond a certain amount you have to make sure that you have it there to continue operations for not an extended period of time but in a transition period of time so I want to make clear I want to make sure that we the money that both the city and the county contribute that formulates the budget the operational budget is it at the end of the fiscal year those monies don't revert back to the City or the county they stay with the Animal Services Center is that correct and that's technically what your beginning balance is but then you're beginning balance you get I think both the city and the county are contributing at this point 1.7 something million dollars so technically then you have that additional 300 000 as part of that Year's budget why not just reduce it um the balance down to two hundred thousand dollars over the course of two years to make up four hundred thousand dollars and just move it into a reserve account because you're starting out what we I think what confuses people a little bit is that we think well we're putting in 1.7 million each year and that's what they're operating on but they're operating on that 1.7 million times two plus the reserve from the year before that's why I wanted to see a couple of years worth of reserves because couldn't you have just taken couldn't we just authorize that some of that beginning balance actually be pushed into a Reserve account so that you're basically operating in that three to four hundred thousand dollar range of money that is there in reserve and not part of the operating budget and yes it may mean some belt tightening but it could be really almost as simple as that because all you're looking for is to maintain that that uh 350 to 400 000 Reserve and so if it's in a separate account that isn't touched during the course of the year and it remains there haven't we resolved the issue relatively simply we use the 112 Reserve just as with the city but yes there is other options and that would be one of the options um so this is where we would start conversating to see how we get to a reserve we just recommended 112 and this came up just when we saw these last actually yesterday the budget that is coming forward that we do see that we're now starting to use fund balance we used to have a we're used to seeing a budget balance with animal services and as you're going to see with one of the resolutions we're actually starting to use a fund balance so this actually was something that we did see yesterday and say we need to start doing something and not be at the end of the year where we were in 2019 and we had to do something last minute so what we were able to do in 2019 was let's remove the fun uh the fund balance policy at that time so we would be able to meet our year end right now we're being proactive and starting before we do get at the end of the year and we're like how do we get out of here so yes there's more than just doing the 112 and that is one option so this is where we do need to start talking and Madam chair if I understood the some of the comments that were made one of the other things to consider if there is a if you're having to use the previous year's fund balance at the beginning of the following fiscal year perhaps one issue rather than just contributing 22 percent of the contribution from each of the city and the county that we upped that contribution to 30 percent right from the very beginning so that there isn't the need to technically be using the balance from the prior fiscal year so again I'm just I don't want to over complicate the issue I I think it's a good policy to always make sure that you have a reserve and if we look at this as a distinct operation from the city in the county then perhaps they should have their 112th obviously the city and the county have at least today thankfully substantial Reserves thank you so I think hearing your comments and and board member gandara's comments it does seem like something that is relevant this year but needs to be part of it definitely needs to be part of a future planning process and so I know we have a strategic planning session set up for for the November 30th um or planning an information session I'm hoping that we might be able to do some I'm hoping that Clint you can work with the the management analysts to to sort of come up with some models for what this would look like because I by my sense is that it does have the the carryover that exists represents some unfilled positions I believe and so I'm I'm not sure so I think figuring out what that would mean in terms of changes and how to plan for that would be I think very helpful for us to consider doing that at a at a subsequent meeting to to make this an official policy perhaps in January or sooner when we have more budget conversations does that did you want to talk Clint Madame chair I have a question for Leanne oh sorry police board member thank you Flores Leanne Ms dumoush and and Miss Trevino um is this something that should be implemented as soon as possible is it necessary to wait for our strategic planning at the end of November the city I or is it is it separate and apart from independent of whatever we do in terms of our strategic the city's strategic planning it's separate from the cities but as mentioned in one of the slides usually when you re use your reserve policy which we did in 2019 you want to replenish it within one to three years and where past those three years so it's not something you need to do tomorrow but we do need to start looking at it as soon as possible yeah yeah that that's that's what I sense too and so we need to hear from Clint and um and Bernice to see how soon that could be done because I feel very strongly that we should have that 112 perhaps at 212. not now okay Shorty's shaking your head well I just believe in having all these safeguards so we'll dab three four seriously uh yeah so thank you very very much for that clarification thank you thank you board member Flores I this is coming as a surprise to me presentation is a surprise no communication has been made to me about this with the presentation that was that was done I agree that it is good to have that reserve and we can work towards it uh just so the record straight we had to put 705 000 of my own budget money into the new center it was either that or we had to cut 705 000 value engineer out of the new center so when we looked at our fund balance and we knew that money was there that's when we decided to take the money out so it wasn't that we didn't have it for all that time is that looking in the past with the transfers we've had that we were able to access and take that out so that that's the reason why it is there um I again I have no problem whatsoever doing doing the 112th I think it's sound financially responsible for us to do that 2019 was a pretty volatile year as far as our budget goes because there there was so many uncertaints of what was going to be happening with Staffing and um uh other complications if I remember right we had some significant purchases that needed to happen and so that's why we lifted that and was able to make those purchases so um I just as a reminder also we I we had commitment coming into this year and Eric will remember this that we were told repeatedly that whatever we're going to roll over the fiscal year 22 budget into fiscal year 23. because our budget wasn't approved so we're going to roll that budget over and we were going to fiscally responsible look into see how much the new center was going to cost to run the new positions we had to run and then we were going to come to the board for a budget adjustment for the money that is needed and and so I with that move forward as long as that's still on the record and we understand that's going to be happening because it sounds like what is is being said is that there hasn't been any fiscal responsibility happening our responsible fiscal management whoever you want to say and I don't believe that that's the case I believe we've been doing the best we have with what we have so I again I don't have any problems with the 112th I think it's the sound to have that and I I like the idea that board members see us had of increasing that and we can move forward so thank you thank you I don't think that the suggestion is that there hasn't been sort of financial responsibility but I do think it suggests that we need to be make sure that we close any gaps in our planning and and budgeting to make sure that we we have a really clear picture of what we have how we're spending it and how much of sort of a reserve we can possibly have so I think it gives us a really good opportunity to have some grounding for those conversations as we go forward so um thank you are there any other questions from the board [Music] no hearing none next up the executive committee meeting uh we did meet on the 6th of September we had conversations about what kinds of sort of up-and-coming things that will be coming to us including the upcoming resolution and conversations about budget and the future strategic plan which again is scheduled for November 30th and the kinds of things that we can include in that conversation as well so um we also talked a little bit about the building and the progress on the building but I'll leave that to the facilities committee report which is next please board member kandara thank you so much chair Karen we did meet we meet the first Thursday of the month um some of the discussions surrounded the the retention Pond and and trying to figure out who is physically responsible I think the city has indicated that AC CMV is responsible for the ponding it'll be around twenty one thousand dollars so when I hear this too I want people to understand you know when we meet in facilities there's always these issues with the the facility because of the age of the facility the the the things you know are breaking down so this is really hard to to say okay where are we going to pull this out and then say Oh and by the way you have to have a 1 12 you know Reserve so I do believe that they are doing the best that they can under the circumstances the roof is leaking in kennel B um and um on and on and on right there there are just so many of those things that are that are happening that um even though this is um the city's facility they're asking acmb to be responsible for for much of the of of the upkeep and and you know the figuring out how to you know stop the leak and and and things of that sort um let's see we spoke a lot about the facility it looks like still a completion date will be in January a whole month has passed so I'm looking at Clint he's smiling so it looks like yeah it's still um January they're really sort of the hold up is in those cat cages fabricating and those cat cages to ensure that we have those to go ahead and the materials and stuff and again due to covet and supply chain issues that continues to be a a issue I think Clint and our project manager there is hopeful that December that they'll be a December date opening but still not still not sure it's again 86 percent completed um at this point let me say I'm working through my working through my notes um Clint did indicate that Paul Clint and volunteer coordinator have done the walk-throughs to talk about access and Pathways and what that's going to look like in that new side um and just sort of get acquainted about the about the area um let's see there is an issue with um a piece of the of the of the area that needs to be cemented for cleaning um purposes it was value added out Clint please help me with that most specifically so they're going to be looking at that that will be an issue in the new facility if we do not take care of that just given the amount of water you know to disinfect the the place that we need to also look at that yes what's being spoke of is the get acquainted area sorry Clint Thacker executive director get acquainted areas in at the new facility the value engineered out was a cement and it's going to be put on crushed rock so the problem with Crest rock is you can't you can't sterilize it in between ducks because it's essentially dirt it's rock it's no solid surface so what we did we went to The Architects we also had a great discussion of it in the actual meeting where we review every other week we review the progress of the center and we're able to but it's right now it's getting quotes the worry is if we just made a flat or a slope to one side that the water with small pieces of feces in it would eventually Gather in in the Rock chips that washed off the cement and so then there'd be a smell so then we thought well let's slope slope it in in the middle so we have drainage and we'll go into the sewer so that's right now of course it's going to add expense I raised the concern in our Geo Bond the city meeting that we have once a month and was able to get that and I was told that it will be taken care of so we're looking getting quotes for that so that is in the process of being changed good good good good and then lastly Clint you made mention of a curb that look is pretty high it's not Ada or from your perspective ADA Compliant it it feels like it's going to be a problem and there's some discussion about putting railing and such because of how high that curbing is and it's going into the um The Pedestrian gate yeah that's at the current facility so they removed the the orientation of the fence the fence used to go north and south and now it's it's done on a 90 degree turn now it's going to go east and west so those significantly High curb that's right there we have a quote in with the contractor right now or a requested one for the curb or for the railing to run 12 feet down so where it's more of a regular curb height where it's that's about 14 inches high is where the one we need and it's right by The Pedestrian gate opens up so dogs can easily pull somebody right straight forward off that curb people thinking that it's a normal height curb would be severely injured on that so right now let's count off and have caution tape so people won't yeah Clint and so you said you got a quote received a quote process okay okay I I would like Mr Enriquez to look and oh he's not here somebody take notes from Mr Enriquez please Leanne thank you I would like for facilities to look at that and really um I know there's been that dialogue but it it I would hate for an accident to occur I think it's easily remedied and I think it's something that the city should definitely be responsible for and to act swiftly so um so Madam chair I'm sorry not a chair um not important Gondola sorry for remember Gondola I want to let you know that it's it's not a facilities issue it's actually directly with our architect and the contractor because it's a new project facilities it's it's a yes we're just waiting for the quote back and for it to get done I believe it is safe right now like I said there's big orange cones yeah so I know it sounds like it but if you were to see it you see that it is ConEd off sufficiently um but you can have that it's just temporary you can't have that forever no you absolutely to find a a solution to that so as soon as we get that pricing back then we'll be able to start conversations about where it's going to come from very cool and then lastly I always get a Census count and at that point um 484 animals that includes dogs and cats at that point it's probably changed now as you know as you saw the stats today so thank you I'll turn that over to you come cheer correct thank you board member Canada thank you Clint any questions from the board all right hearing none thank you we're good next up that's the end of the committee reports so did you you're good okay um we had moved the Coalition for pets and people presentation to now so for on behalf of action programs for Animals I'd invite Kathy Stark up please please state your name and thank you for being here this morning good morning Kathy Stark and I'm here today representing action programs for animals and it's been many years since I've navigated this but we'll see if we can do it yeah okay Bernice no I do that all the time there it goes call the old-fashioned way now F5 there we go okay and thank you chair Koran for the invitation update everybody on the current situation at action programs for animals um as some of you probably already know we have a roofing problem we moved in the building that we're in at 537 North Solano approximately two years ago I think it will be two years in November and we late last year started having a little bit of leaking problem with the rough and so we started contacting contractors to come out and kind of assess the problem however on October 27th of this year with a tremendous rains we had the ceiling came down in our large dog room unfortunately none of the dogs were injured but it revealed as you can see quite a problem all the way down to the decking out of abundance of caution we moved all the large dogs into boarding and we have undertaken fundraising multiple bids were obtained looking at do we need to replace the entire thing can it be repaired and as of Monday the board selected a contractor and the estimated cost for the roofing portion of the work is going to be fifty five thousand dollars if I go by there today and they're not working I'll be really surprised because they were ready to just hit the ground and let's get this done we're awaiting mold test results all of our large dogs are inboarding and that cost is going to be about five thousand dollars we did get a mold report back yesterday and there is not you know you look at mold and you say oh my gosh it's black it means it's black mold and we're all going to die it's not toxic black mold there is mold that can be remedied in the areas when the contractor comes out and starts working on the roof however we're going to keep the large dogs out of the facility because that work is right over their kennel area and so there will be a lot of dust a lot of noise and containing any mold spores that are there then we've got interior damage to the 55 000 is going to cover the external roof problem um the the insulation and the um sealing drywall will come after that and we're getting bids on that this week and the community has been absolutely amazing in our fundraising efforts we are currently open we've got I think sometimes you know when you talk about there's a roof problem and there might be a mold problem people think that we're not open for adoptions and we are the animals that are in the facility given the nature of the work that will be done are going to be able to stay in the facility and hopefully we can find them homes barring any unforeseen circumstances we've got to be very flexible in all of this so how people can help they can donate to our raise the real fund on network for good checks can be dropped off people can offer to foster adopt or sponsor an animal take a dog on Doggy Day Out give the give the dogs a break from being in this work environment and then we remain open Tuesdays Wednesdays and Thursdays 11 to 3 and by appointment so anybody who wants to come in and see some of the animals can just call us and we'll be happy to accommodate them and these are just a few of the of the dogs we've got our small dogs are in-house um so if anybody's looking for a small dog we've got some great ones and then of course our cats and our kittens we currently have we've we've been able to take a few cats and kittens mostly kittens from the shelter but not at the rate we would typically be doing this time of year um we have approximately 40 kittens in foster care that now we're going to start trying to bring them into the facility and find them homes and we've got some we've got some great ones we took the in the lower left hand corner that's bare and he has heartworm treatment that's being done east of Las Cruces and so they needed a transport and so Jerry and I said sure we'll take bear over to Alamogordo and then connect him with his other transporter and he is just a gem he's co-pilot in the car and uh just gets along with everybody so just some of the animals to keep in mind and to make sure that everybody knows we are still open and if you have any questions I am happy to try and answer them if I don't know the answer I'll make it up just kidding thank you Kathy I really appreciate you sharing this presentation and always um keeping us in the loop and being a really extraordinary Community member when it comes to caring for the animals are there any questions from the board board member Flores please thank you madam chair and thank you Mr Stark for all the work you do on behalf of animals I just have a question who owns the building action programs for animals oh so dude we gotta we got a bequest from Sheila Pickett I'm sorry you got a request we've got to be quest which is how we were able to purchase the building so um but doesn't insurance cover uh this kind of damage to the roof I know that um when there's severe when we had the golf ball hail storm some years ago that was covered by my insurance so does it cover did you look into that yes we did the insurance adjuster was out and surveyed the roof we went back and we looked at the inspection report from the point of purchase and that inspection report while it was very very brief noted that the roof needed some routine maintenance and last year we did some patching and so the insurance company has said no this is normal wear and tear and you are on your own so this hurts I mean this is a huge hit for us yeah it yeah well I'm sorry thank you thank you very much I appreciate it and as always again thank you for your help and if any of of my comrades feel compelled to take out an animal to to Foster them and mind them while they're getting their roof worked on or donate to apa I hope you'll consider it thank you again Kathy all right that's all we have for the reports and presentation section next up we have our one action item that was alluded to earlier um I believe Clint has a presentation resolution uh 20 2022-09 which is a budget amendment for some transfers so we're not going to go as much as a presentation why does it want me to open that uh just as just as much as a walk through of what the resolution is requesting so if you have a copy of the resolution in front of you first of all this is a resolution authorizing an amendment to the 2023 budget so we need to correct the beginning fund balance that was that was put up originally and then we need to transfer out of fund of 440 and into oh and 441 of 705 000 and then transfer 21 000 from fund 744 0 to 744.1 and then decrease revenues by forty thousand six sixty nine and increase expenses by the 259 331 it all will make sense when I work this out with you so you can see the beginning balance of the sheet exhibit a is three three hundred one thousand six hundred and seventy four that is the correct feeding bounce it was incorrect when it was rolled over from the previous year because it included the 705 thousand dollar access to the fund balance that that we had again that 705 000 was for the fixtures and furniture and equipment for the new center so this resolution will correct that uh the next correction is to zero out that transfer of the seven hundred and five thousand because it's already taking place so you'll see that in in the resolution and that occurs right here you see that that it's being taken out and then the twenty one thousand dollars that is for what uh board member gondra spoke of of the ponding project what we're doing is we as if you remember a presentation I'd done several months ago about relocating the retention Pond when it rains all the water drains into this Pond the pond is archaic meaning that there's no drainage in it we have tadpoles which mosquitoes which we feed on our dogs that have heartworm and spread heartworm so we need to we had two options either redo the pond so it does correctly or relocate it because of our parking issues I opted to relocate it we worked with the city of Las Cruces they put it out to bid for engineers they're going to be moving it into our outside of our gravel parking lot area and it'll be a longer trench instead of one big pond but they assured me that no issues or problems and it will be the amount of twenty one thousand dollars for that to be done so they're just waiting for that money and then they can get started on it so you'll see that coming here you'll see the twenty one thousand dollars being taken out and placed into this is our 7441 which is our Capital fund you'll see that it's being placed here into our Capital fund now the three hundred thousand dollars that we're going to be accepting from the county this is a kind of a book A book mistake that was occurred if you remember last month you signed a resolution accepting that three hundred thousand dollars well on the exhibit it only showed 300 000 on the revenue side it didn't show any on the expense side so now you're seeing it on this on the expense side so that's covered that's clearing that part up and then on the last whereas for the 40 669 again because the budget was rolled over into 23 it included City Licensing as part of revenues as you know we passed a ordinance in August of last year not doing doing away with the City Licensing so we needed to subtract out that revenue and also the expenditures so you see here the 259 331 that is the incoming amount shown on the ex that's the incoming we already showed on the revenue so now we're showing it on the expenditures but it's a 259 331 minus the 40 000 669 so we just took that out of the expenditure side of the 300 000. and that's why that shows the 259 331 and not the 300 000. so that is the explanation of the resolution are there any questions commissioner Sanchez I can see the look on your face you're like what board member Sanchez thank you madam chair and and Mr Thacker I think my question comes from the fact that um I guess in terms of the expenditures I know you're saying that that we accepted the money from um and I'm just trying to I'm trying to think over the last few months since uh We've entered into the new fiscal year I know at the time I just wanted to make sure that I know we're we're making the numbers match here as a kind of the general gist of it but yeah the does this match the budget the the approved budget for the ascmv the four point uh sorry I lost my number here but with that additional 300 000 which puts us at uh was that 4.4 million is that correct that's on the revenue sorry that's the revenue I'm looking at Revenue sorry about that uh 4.287 million under expenditures I was I was told that this is what's needed to match the budget up yes okay I just wanted to make sure of with all the changes and I said I just want to get verification that this does match the approved budget for the fiscal year thank you thank you board member Sanchez any other questions all right hearing none I would entertain a motion on resolution 2022-09 move to a group ultimately the second emotion it was moved by board member Gandara and second by board member Sanchez uh any other questions or discussion seeing none Becky please former Macias yes board member Flores yes chair Quran yes thank you um up next we move into public input uh I'll start on my right I'm not seeing any in the first few rows Jerry no no no please come on up and state your name for the record when you arrive please good morning council members my name is Renee Chavez and I'm here to ask a couple of questions I'm an advocate as you know for the animals and the shelter and the volunteers I'm speaking on behalf of the volunteers at this point we have I do have some questions we did meet two of our members couldn't be here today uh that would be Miss Haynes because she had to uh take a training in Dallas for her job the other member had to work my questions at this point um Mr Macias was very kind to meet with us took time from his hectic schedule we presented we spoke at extent extensively he gave us the suggestion which we tried to follow however we ran into some pretty heavy glitches those glitches were inaccurate information that we had requested we had given the packets I know that they were quite lengthy packages and you all don't have time to read everything but hopefully I'm here to focus again that you take the time and help get the answers for us so that we can address and help and support and move with the shelter to resolve and contribute more volunteers there are 14 as far as I know okay I don't have all the accurate information right now but there were 14 volunteers that could have helped Foster uh some dogs with the situation especially with APA we've got that I know that it's a it's it's an overwhelming problem that's why I'm here I'm here to try to figure out a solution best way possible straight let's just you know we need to get it figured out but we didn't get all of the information what we did receive was incomplete we never received I believe the girls requested the policy manual the only thing that we received was um some information I believe on 2010 and outdated procedural manual no contracts everything was incomplete accurate information well you can't base a decision it's like a multiplication problem if you've got the incorrect information how do you solve it so we need to have that information and uh Council Karen I believe you were in touch with Harriet she didn't receive information I don't know I'm just here to address the fact that we need accurate information in order to respond to the suggestion you gave us so that we can work together to figure something out because there was a time where seven kittens I believe got put to sleep and the Foster was told no which is unnecessary because the kittens and it's happened again and again well we'd like to see that stop it's not it's unnecessary the medication that it takes is inexpensive all we need is the antibiotic we have one Foster that's a tech uh Foster was able to We rescued some kittens and we she was able to save save them and they're willing to do it so there's no reason to put I mean I understand the other ones that have to be vicious I don't understand the timid ones because you can make timid once so there's a lot of uh incorrect things that need to be adjusted things that need to be corrected and that's what we're trying to do we're trying to move forward with that so if you would all please help us get this information and help us move forward together no one is too um should be pinpointed for trying to help because that's what it's about it's all about trying to help the gentleman that originated with this problem is still living up with those dogs in a place that is not really livable but the dogs are safe the man has no access unfortunately to electricity or to water he has there's an exorbitant bill but there these Fosters that have been taken out are continuing to take food continuing to take water and helping this men so they turned the whole thing and this is what we're trying to do is just make it workable for everybody so um the other thing was my understanding is that there's a list called shutter love I think the shelter uses it I'm not certain I was asked to bring it up because it's got a lot of personal information and whoever's able to access this information can access information of the people that are no longer there so that has to be looked at as well now if I can have a way to approach this how can I work with you again how can I how can we move forward if we don't have the information that we need how can you help me get that accurate information how can we put together a procedure manual you know I would like to find a way to do that if you want to hire a man for hire I'm retired so I can help but that's the point we want to take care of these animals I know that the city is overwhelmed with pressing problems I realize that but these animals have nobody to speak for them we are we're trying we're trying and we're not getting back what we need so please again if you will you have my emails if you want to write to me individually I would welcome conversations you know so that we can we can move forward um I think thank you very much that's it thank you Miss Travis and I appreciate your inputs you're welcome any other public comment from the back up here no no public comment hearing none uh that's the end of public comment on to board member and board member comments um I will just follow up and even though we can't respond to public comment really quickly I do want to say that I will follow up with with Clinton Bernice to try to get you additional information as we can um and supporting your understanding of how these things can be addressed so um we I will follow up with that on a second note I would like to uh just give a note to the uh firefighters Union 2362 who have produced a calendar with the ascmv you can pre-order that calendar all of the proceeds benefit the ascmv and they're also going to have a kickoff at andelay's Dog House in November to to launch the calendar that they produced what I know it's super exciting so there it's a firefighter steamy firefighter slash dog calendar I don't know if there are any cats represented but um but that's that's what it looks like and you can pre-order it they're 25 on the iaff website or Instagram so that's my main comment thank you I'll start with board member Sanchez thank you madam chair I just did want to say give you know thank you to I'm sorry I mean that is I know last night we had a uh that community meeting in Lincoln we had some very Lively discussion about the cats and dogs that are in the area there so hopefully um you know we'll start looking at it from the county perspective and trying to see what we can do I don't know how that will in the end affect the asemv as we kind of move forward but um you know it's something we'll have to take a look at I know they've they've identified at least or mentioned that there's a large colony of cats of feral cats in that area that's not a registered colony from my understanding so it's something we'll take a look at but I really appreciated everybody coming out and appreciated um like I said off stardom and that is coming and helping with some of the initiatives that we're working on through the County Animal Control and so you know if there is something that ultimately Comes Your Way Clint hopefully will will be able to work with you and figure out how we can work through that so but appreciated everyone that came out and it was a good Lively discussion in drink one which which was nice so but just wanted to let everybody know that like I said we're trying to work on this I know it's it's we I think we'd have a lot of comments and I hope within the city on stray stray animals and so um you know we start getting in the rural areas we're seeing very similar things so but thank you all thank you I'll just move if that's okay chair Karen thank you um Vice chair Sanchez for those comments I think we all are seeing and uptick in loose animals and more specifically feral cats um I am had a couple of neighborhood meetings specific to the tree streets area and and specific to our lift up program and they're mentioning an increase in loose animals as well and I've talked with Mr peedly about doing a sort of two-week canvassing with codes and and animal codes officers to address some of those issues and mostly to provide education to the community so I'm really looking forward to hearing more I know Mr pelia's work as there's a sort of like a committee that of staff that are are looking into this and trying to decide what next steps are going to be and so that's certainly on my radar as well and then I'll I'll work to look for an email Miss Chavez I I don't see the email right off the bat I think you've emailed few months ago and I don't have those saved up and and I'm I'm asking Clint and Bernice to look at that and to be as accommodating if they're ipras that have been made that that we make sure that we get that information to you and that we work diligently to um you know do what we can to to to make out the the state um of the animals I'm safe and and secure and to keep from having to euthanize those animals but I also think that I'm challenging each of the advocate groups it really is about responsible pet ownership we don't see enough of that and there sometimes we point the fingers at each other but really what we need to be doing is educating our community about responsible pet ownership because we see very a lot of irresponsibility I'm related related to that and not enough information out there specifically I know some of the groups are working on training or going to the schools and training the Young The Young Generation the young kids that's really where you know we as parents are learning a lot of that information and so I would ask that you work with Clint um to um you know pres to provide that kind of training and information be it social media and other other avenues because I think really until we become more responsible pet owners um all this these efforts are are sort of in vain because we look at you see the numbers month after month after month and the center can only do so much and you heard a whole lengthy agenda item about a 1 12 reserve and all the competing demands that we have that prevent us from from doing that and so we want to be fiscally responsible the center can only do so much and so can the volunteer programs so I've always tried to say it's a shared responsibility and we need to continue to assert that pet owners need to be responsible so thank you picture thank you for my soapbox sorry thank you board member Gandara board member Flores thank you madam chair well just working off of what mayor Pro tem Gand that our board member Gandara just said um I think maybe we can would it be possible Clint to coordinate something with lcps to maybe have presentations um you know a volunteer group that you can get I know I'd be willing I'm sure people appear other board members would be willing to go into a classroom and talk about responsible pet ownership um how does that sound sound like something we can kick around yeah because I think it's a great idea and that's where it begins because I know that in other quote movements such as climate change um it's really working when you go in and talk to Children about how important it is because then they go home and say well Mom Dad or Grandma and Grandpa you know whoever they're with we'll say shouldn't we you know do this or that regarding you know climate change issues but um so great so that's all I that was my only comment thank you madam chair and thank you Clint Bernice thank you board member Flores board member Macias thank you madam chair I have no comments to make thank you sir good board member Enriquez no comments board member Ward all right thank you no comments uh hearing no further comments from the board I would entertain a motion to adjourn ES it's been moved and moved by board member Canada second by board member Flores Becky please and thank you former Macias former Flores yes yes former Sanchez yes chair Quran yes we are adjourned