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The September 25th, 2023. It's
approximately 1 p.m. Before we
begin, I'm going to ask if you
please rise, as we say, the
Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge
allegiance to the flag. States
of America and to the Republic
for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
Thank you. Okay. We always start
off with our Our Pets of the
Week. And I believe Amy, Felix
is on Zoom. Are you there, Amy?
Yeah Hello? Yes, I'm here. Okay
Hello, everyone. My name is Amy.
Felix. I am one of the adoption
and rescue coordinator for the
Animal Services Center of the
Valley. And of course, every
week I pick up pets of the Week
and present them and kind of
network them on Facebook. And
our social media to try and get
them adopted. So let me go ahe
ao
ahead and get started and also
turn my video off for now, um,
and then end up being a lot of
slides, like a lot of text. So
I'm going to try and kind of go
through it really quickly. So
we'll start off, of course, with
our Cat of the Week. Her name is
Kiki. Her number is 52164. And
she says, I came into the last
year as a barn cat, so don't be
afraid of the ear tip. My former
family decided to bring me
inside and attuned me to the
indoor life, which I took to
quite well. I spent the last few
months in a foster home as well,
and my Foster said that I am
reay
with strangers, but I love
scritches and pets. Just give me
some time to adjust to new
situations. And then we also
have our Dog of the week. His
name is Mark. His number is
60335. He says, I am an
energetic and friendly dog who
would love to have a forever
home to take me out on a nice
walks and coming home to relax
together. I'm eager to please,
so take advantage of that and
help me learn some commands and
good behaviors. Come by the DMV
this week to say hi to such a
special boy like me and the oh,
our adoption events. We will be
actually having an adoption
event at Hatch, New Mexico. This
Saturday the 30th. I didn't put
a date or time. We'll be there
this Saturday, the 30th from 10
a.m. to 1 p.m. We'll be there at
Village Hardware. So that's the
address of village hardware. If
you happen to be stopping by
hatch or if you know people
hatch looking for a new a new
dog, definitely stop by. We are
also having our adoption blitz
to kind of take part in this
sort of like sports kind of a
theme going on with like
football season starting and
everything. So from now until
the end of September, so
September 30th, all of our
adoptions are discounted. It'll
be $50 for animals that are
already altered and $75 for
animals that aren't yet altered.
But of course, they will be
before they go home, no matter
what, you'll be getting a spayed
or neutered pet. And now we're
kind of keeping along with sort
of like the behavior kind of
aspect of animal owning. I'd
like to talk about dog bite
prevention. Um, so far this year
is January 1st until the close
of business yesterday, we have
received 135 dogs have been
intake for bite quarantines. I
have some statistics. 1999, So
73% of these quarantine dogs
were males, 36 27% were
females, 90 were unaltered, 27
were already altered and 18 were
unknown at the time of intake.
So the ones that are unknown at
time of intake usually when
brings in a bite dog, they can't
immediately see if the animal's
already fixed yet. Probably
because they're acting too
aggressive or too fractious. Um,
and so that's why those 18 have
been marked as unknown. We can
presume that they were probably
a little too fractious for
someone to be able to get a good
a good look. They were just
behaving too aggressively. I
think everyone should be
educated about bite prevention,
not ju dog owners and these
kind of next few slides kind of
lean more towards the not the
dog owner itself, but people
kind of if you ever happen to
interact with dogs ever in your
life, which a lot of people do,
here are some pie charts I'd
like to point out just so you
can kind of see the percentages,
kind of like visually see the
majority of the dog bite dogs,
the dog bite. Quarantine dogs
are males are almost three
quarters of them. And the
majority of them were not
already fixed. And you can
suspect that this could be, um,
a lot of Bitcoin dogs coming in
unsterilized and being males.
You can make some guess theory
that it could also be related to
a hormonal aggression. I know
like unaltered males, they have
like the testosterone
aggression. They get really
defensive of their territory.
They get really kind of
aggressive when they're when
it's like mating season. If they
they smell a female in heat,
they start they can act a little
bit more aggressively. And this
could kind of makes help you
draw some conclusions as to why
some of these dogs that are bite
quarantines nd of came in. So
in general, to reduce the bite
risk as a person that ever
happens to interact with dogs.
This is taken from the Aspca's
article specifically regarding
dog bite prevention. Definitely
be aware of the dog body
language, aggressive dogs. They
usually want to make themselves
bigger. They have the pillow
erection, so that's when the fur
on the back of their neck and at
the base of their tail stand up,
they have their ears straight up
and forward. They're standing
tall and very stiff. They're not
really wanting to move around
and kind of be loose, kind of
loosey goosey. Their tail will
bt
might even be wagging. I know a
lot of people think like dogs
wagging their tails. They're
immediately happy. And that's
not necessarily the case when
their dog when the tail is
straight up and wagging very
quickly, like kind of like a
like a really fast metronome.
Guess that's not a happy dog.
That's definitely a dog. That's
kind of like on the, um, kind of
tense and potential might be on
the biting kind of territory
over there. Of course, baring
teeth, growling, barking,
lunging. Those are all kind of
aggressive behaviors that you
would like you should avoid if
you see a dog exhibiting that
behavior. And of course, there's
also feaul a anxious dogs
and they want to be smaller in
general. Um they usually cower.
They have their tail tucked
underneath. They can be
repeatedly licking their lips or
yawning, a lot of kind of mouth
movements. Their ears will be
flat into the back, avoiding eye
contact. They might even have
something called a whale eye,
which their eyes get really
wide. So you can see a lot of
the whites of their eye and
they're kind of like side
eyeing, you. That's kind of a an
indicator that they're being a
little anxious or fearful. And
of course, even the dog is even
if a dog is fearful, they can
still bite if they're feeng
threatened enough. So if you see
a fearful dog, definitely don't
try to approach it and kind of
comfort it physically. That
might make it feel a little too
, um, threatened. And then they
might bite. Um. You should
always ask the owner before
petting their dog. And it's okay
if they say no. Of course, these
owners know their dogs better
than strangers. If they think
their dog is a little, a little
nervous, kind of a little
weirded out by strangers, they
would know better and they'd
say, No, don't really pet them.
But of course, always have the
permission no matter what. That
can also kind of help the dog.
Kind of see you and kind of get
a feel of you as a person
before. Like immediately going
to approach the dog and then
might freak them out if you do
have permission that some sniff
your closed hand. So kind of
like like kind of like a like a
gentle fist. Have them sniff,
kind of like your knuckles
instead of sticking your hand
straight out, fingers spread
apart. Um, just so in case they
do maybe nip there, they'll get
like, your knuckles or the meaty
or part of your hand instead of
your fingers. Avoid reaching
over the dog's head to pet them.
You can start with like, the
sides of the shoulders or even
the chest reaching over the
dog's head. And sometimes is
startle them or freak them out
or make them feel threatened.
And then they might nip if the
dog seems uncomfortable. In
general, you can go back to kind
of the fearful and anxious
behaviors. You can casually and
slowly remove your hand and
offer maybe gentle words of
comfort and affirmation, but
avoid jerking your hand,
removing it abruptly, or moving
abruptly. In general, fast
movements can startle a dog and
they might react poorly. And of
course, avoid interacting with
barking or growling dogs,
especially ones that you don't
know because you don't know how
their reactions are going to be
if you approach them. Now, we'd
like to say something I learned
when I went to school at MSU
regarding animal behavior. We
were taught kind of the be a
tree, so if an unknown dog
approaches you, approaches you,
and maybe not immediately
aggressive, not lunging,
charging, ready to bite. Um,
very aggressive. If a just a
strange dog is coming up to you,
you can stay calm, quiet and
still so you don't run or scream
. That might agitate them or
just kind of arouse them. And
then they might. It might
escalate the situation. Um, if
you are bitten, if they do like
nip at you or bite you don't
pull away, don't jerk away. That
might make the injuries worse.
That might also escalate the
arousal and make them want to
keep doing it because they think
it's like a like a prey
instinct. Possibly you'll put
your eyes down, you can ball
your fists up and tuck them
under your chin and no sudden
movement. So that's kind of like
being a tree. I found this
infographic online. It's not
specifically kind of every
detail that I've mentioned, but
it's kind of like, Stop, be very
like kind of tall, kind of stand
firm, um, you know, fold in your
branches. This one has their
hands down. Um, but to better
protect your neck and your face
, just in case, you would
suggest kind of keeping your
hands in a fist and covering
your neck with your head tucked
in, that'll be more protecting
your neck area. And then, of
course, watching your roots grow
and count in your head. This is
mostly catered towards children
and dogs safety, which is
definitely important. Um, just
kind of wait in this position
until help until the dog either
loses interest and walks away or
help. Is there to help you and
of course there's also kind of
the a Rock, which is the other
instance of a dog approaching
you if you're knocked down by a
dog trying to bite you, you can
roll into a tight ball clasp
your hands behind your neck with
your head and knees tucked in.
This will protect, of course,
your face, your abdomen, your
neck, all of the kind of vital
organ areas. If you tuck in like
a little ball, like a roly poly
or in the fetal position, um,
that will help kind of protect
those areas. Um, and if you
stop, like, if you don't like,
wiggle around too much,
sometimes you'll family dogs
will kind of lose interest with
an object that is more tn not
like, like immobile mostly. Um,
so they will eventually leave
and kind of go off and find
something else that kind of
catch their attention or kind of
arouse them in a different way.
You can also carry deterrents.
There are citronella sprays, not
like the bug spray. They're kind
of a they look like, um, maybe
even like mace. You can get them
at PetSmart. We also have them
at the animal shelter to kind of
help with dog fights. Dogs don't
like the smell. If it kind of
gets in their mouth, they don't
really, like taste it is they
become averse to wanting to like
interact with you or try to
avoid the situaon eirel
early. And here is a little
infographic I also saw online
about kind of being a rock. You
can see this person's kind of
clasping the back of their neck
, kind of keeping their vital
organs protected. And while this
cartoon dog is acting kind of
aggressively towards them, I
know it's kind of hard to think
about these in the moment, so
it's good to kind of have this
keeping in practice. Um, and
just always keep it in your
mind. And the more you think
about it, the more you kind of
are aware of it, the easier it
will be to maybe recall this in
caseou e up a situation
where you're a strange dog might
potentially bite you and you can
kind of navigate that situation
a lot more carefully. Um but
that is all I have for today. So
thank you. Okay. Thank you, Amy.
Thank you for sharing those
those those ideas with us. We
appreciate it very much. So
next, we're going to go to the
jobs of the week and I believe
Sarah Rainey from the New Mexico
Workforce Solutions or
Connections is with us. Sarah
did. Hello. Good afternoon,
everyone. In just one second and
I'll share my video. All right.
For the jobs of the week for
this September 25th, we have for
the city of Las Cruces. We have
a deputy director in the
business services that position
starts at 85,000. The position
closes on ten two. So there's
just another week of
applications. We also have for
the city of Las Cruces, a victim
assistance program coordinator
for that position starts at
45,000 and closes on October
second for the White Sands
Missile Range. We have the Hvac
technician one and that, um,
that position is an hourly paid
position for 20 2754 sorry. And
that it closes on 1213 on. We
also have a dialysis patient
care technician, technical
technician excuse me, you all
for the US renal care Inc. That
position starts at 26,000 and
the posting closes on 1015 for
the Dias Charities. We have a
maintenance worker that one's
1927 an hour with a $500 sign on
bonus. There are some
stipulations to that, but check
out the post on that. The
posting does show does close on
1017 and then finally we have
core and main LP. They have an
inside sales and operations
associate. That position starts
at 46,000. The posting closes on
ten six. As always, if you're
curious about any positions that
we have, we have full time, part
time, remote lots of positions
available in the Donana area.
Come see us down on Alameda
Boulevard or you can call us at
5246250 or catch us online at
employee and any one of our
social media outlets. Thank you
all and have a wonderful day.
Okay. Thank you, Sarah. All
right. Next, we're going to have
the recognition of the mayor's
top teens. So normally weon't
ve it on the work session, but
we had to kind of change the
schedule around a little bit.
But so I want to present to you
my colleagues, the this year's
mayor's top teens. And just so
that a little bit about the top
teens. So I'm going to just talk
primarily to Ifo because he's
the newest of them. Well, I
don't know. You have a couple of
new council members as well. But
this program we've been doing
since 17 years. So the one who
started this initially was Mayor
Mattis. And then I took over the
following year and we've had it
for the last 16 years. And so
it's an opportunity to kind of
showcase our students who not
only do they do well in school,
but they've over overcome some
huge obstacles in their life as
well as being well rounded and
participating in various
activities throughout school and
throughout the community. And so
this is our way to kind of
showcase them and recognize them
and congratulate them. And so
one of the things that we like
to do is give you a little
plaque here. So and then they
have some some duties that they
do around the community. I think
the next one is going to be in a
week or two. So if you see them
along the trail on Travis
cleaning up trash, honk at them
if you want, wave at them, throw
them a soda or two or some
water. But anyways, so we'll get
started. So I'm going to turn it
over to Carolyn or Ronnie if you
want to join me up here and then
we're going to ask that they're
going to come here, State their
name, what school they belong
to, what high school and then
we'll give them a plaque and off
they go.nd then we're going to
probably I don't know how we're
going to take a picture and then
they're going to go behind the
dais and meet you all. Okay All
right. So you. Okay Go ahead.
Get started and make sure you're
loud so they can hear you. And
this is my top teens. There's 25
of them, and they've had their
struggles in life. Like we said
, and hardships and their own
personal medical issues. Some of
them. And I'll go ahead and get
started. This is the first group
. Of 23 to 24 class. Thank you.
Hello, I'm Haley Aldrich and I'm
a senior at Arrowhead Park.
Hello I am Hunter Campbell and I
am a senior at Arrowhead Park.
Hello. My name is Madeline
Danner, and I'm a senioat
Oregon Mountain High School.
Hello. I am Andrew Evans and I'm
a senior at Centennial High
School. Hello My name is Sarah
Fong and I'm a senior at
Centennial High School. Hello,
everyone. My name is James
Galvan and I'm a senior at
Arrowhead Park Medical Academy.
Hello I'm Jason Gonzalez and I
am a senior at Arrowhead Park
Medical Academy. Hello. My name
is Kaylee Harvey and I'm a
senior at Las Cruces High School
. Hello. My name is Sergio
Hernandez and I'm a senior at
Las Cruces High School. Hello My
name is Kian Kamali, and I'm a
senior at Arrowhead Medical
Academy. Hello My name is Megan
Lago and I'm a senior at
Centennial High School. Hello,
my name is Liliana Martinez and
I'm a senior at Las Cruces High
School. Hello. My name is Morgan
Martinez and I'm a senior at
Mayfield High School. Hey, y'all
. My name is Holly Norsworthy
and I'm a senior at Mayfield
High School. Hello. My name is
Kylie Odom, and I'm a senior at
Mayfield High School. Hello. My
name is Emily Osborne and I'm a
senior at Oregon Mountain High
School. Hello. My name is Colby
Priest and I'm a senior at
Mayfield High School. Hello I'm
Giselle Ramirez and I'm a senior
at Mayfield High School. Hi My
name is Taylor Ramirez and I'm a
senior at Mayfield High School.
Hello My name is Brady Riewaldt
and I'm a senior at Centennial
High School. Hello. My name is
Dana Sylvester and I'm a senior
at Arrowhead Park Early College
High School. Hello. My name is
Jose Manuel. I'm a senior at
Centennial High School. Hi. My
name is Noah Snell and I'm a
senior at Mayfield High School.
I'm sorry. Hello. My name is
Raul Terrazas and I'm a senior
at Mayfield High School.
Class.
And thank you parents, for your
tendce. Thank you for all
that you do to help guide your
children learn and becoming the
future leaders that they will
be. So thanks again.
Would you. It was you. It was
okay. So we have three items on
the agenda. The first one is
going to be the automated
traffic enforcement, the speed
van. So this is going to be a
little bit different discussion
than the last time. This is this
this was something that we saw
that the city of New Orleans is
doing. And they're basically
these vans that they can they're
clearly marked okay. And they're
used to target areas that
residents throughout that city
of New Orleans was having
trouble with. And so I think
Council had agreed to they
wanted to hear more about it.
And so with us here today is
Lieutenant McBride with the
police department to share with
us some more different
information. Lieutenant.
Okay Good afternoon, everybody.
I'm Lieutenant Tate McBride with
the Las Cruces Police
Department. I'm in charge of the
traffic section. I appreciate
you having me here. I know this
has been an issue where there's
since this was presented about a
year ago, give or take, not much
has changed as far as the
basics, but there has been some
new information that came out.
The good thing about last year
is there was a lot of questions
that were asked that we can
hopefully I can hopefully clear
up for you today. One of the
ones towards the end was the Las
Cruces Police Department. Have
an opinion. One way or the other
as to whether or not this is a
direction we should go so I can
tell you that I am in the
enviable position of not having
to make that decision. I am in
the position of informing you so
that you can make that decision.
So I tried to approach this with
a mindset that we are objective.
We don't necessarily have a dog
in this fight, but I am going to
give you pros and cons because
there's not necessarily good
decisions or bad decisions as
far as this technology is
concerned. There's just pros and
cons and trade offs. So
hopefully I can answer some of
those previous questions for you
. Okay. So a quick review. What
is automated speed enforcement?
Automated speed enforcement also
called photo radar or speed
cameras, is operated by
recording a vehicle speed using
radar radar or other
instrumentation. And take a
photograph of the vehicle when
it exceeds the threshold limit.
Very similar to what a motor or
any other police officer would
do with radar. The equipment can
be fixed at a position or mobile
and we will expand on that in
just a little bit. What is the
purpose is to increase traffic
enforcement resources to
positively impact driving
behavior and issue citations to
speeders who endanger
pedestrians, cyclists and other
drivers. We'll go into a ltle
bit more detail about the
citations themselves and if
there's any questions, please
let me know at the end. I know
there's a lot you can go pretty
deep into the weeds with this
topic, so please ask if I don't
cover it already. It's designed
to identify violators and lessen
the need for the police presence
on the roadside. How does it
work? Mobile or fixed units are
equipped with radar or other
instrumentation that monitor
monitor vehicle speeds as
traffic approaches and passes.
So if a vehicle is exceeding the
enforcement limit, which can be
adjusted, you can choose as the
threshold for what that speed
might be. Your tolerances is
what they're called the radar
unit signals a camera to take a
picture of the violating vehicle
as it approaches the mobile or
fixed unit and a second image as
it goes past. And this is used
for verification of certain
things after the fact. The
images document the vehicle, the
license plate and the speed the
system itself captures high
resolution photographs and
video. If it detects a violation
. That's important to note that
it's not recording anything
unless that threshold has been
triggered for speed before a
notice of violation is ever
issued. A commissioned officer
or a third party. And that's
kind of up to you if it's an
actual officer for a position
that you'd like to create or if
you'd like to contract out with
a third party for those reviews,
just based on how you choose to
allocate your resources. But
they'll review the video to
ensure the violation is valid.
If the violation is valid, a
citation is issued and it's
going to be by mail to the
registered owner of the vehicle
that the plate returns to. So
this is all regulated by a state
statute. 318 Dash 17 Hopefully a
copy was handed out to you. And
that's it's important. It's
broken down into municipalities
with populations over 200,000 or
under. Obviously we fall under
category, but it kind of
establishes it helps dispel some
of the myths about perception
that this is a moneymaking
scheme where the money goes and
how it's spent is entirely
dictated, for the most part by
state statute. So even funds
that are outside of the cost of
the system itself, which we'll
break down here in a moment,
it's not like you can just spend
it on whatever you want or a pet
project. It does have to go to a
certain place. So additional
costs for the personnel to run
the program. And then the rest
is going to go to a municipal
traffic safety program. And
that's by law. So different
types of cameras. It kind of
depends on what you want. Again
you can go down this rabbit hole
as as deep as you like. But
generally speaking, there's
mobile fixed speed vans, warning
cameras, which some
municipalities do use. They
don't issue actual citations.
It's just a warning through the
same process. And enforcement
are ticketing cameras. So the
mobile is just a heavy box that
ts on the ground or in a
trailer. It can be moved around.
So if there's certain places
that come up because I can tell
you, in my experience, I was
emailing somebody this morning
because they knew this
presentation was coming up. They
were giving recommendations on
where they thought they needed
to be. So it's nice to have
something you can pick up and
move to put it in a neighborhood
or a feeder street as opposed to
something like a major arterial
third thoroughfare. The downside
to this is they are more subject
to vandalism because they are
reachable. So there's an example
of what it might look like. You
have options as far as would you
like thito bhardred into
the city's electrical grid or
solar powered? The fixed is
mounted to a pole or other
structure. It's about a foot
tall. You again have the option
for solar power. It can be
removed and mounted elsewhere.
It's just a little bit more time
and labor intensive than picking
up a trailer and hauling it to a
different location. And again,
these can be subject to
vandalism as well. If somebody
is motivated enough to climb
that high. So this gives you an
idea of what municipality it's
not a requirement that you have
a special kind of pole. You can
use prettyuch ythi that
you want the city property to
mount it wherever you like. So
speed vans are typically manned
. A commissioned officer will
sit in the van to deter
vandalism, bullying an officer
from the streets or on overtime
so that that is one of the
considerations with vans
unmanned vans are parked and
left unattended. But I can tell
you, I tried to speak to as many
municipalities, at least in New
Mexico, that have this
technology to say, just give me
an honest review. I mean, the
companies are going to obviously
try to sell their pductBut I
want to know, does this work and
what are the things that they
may not tell me? One of the
things that was said is that if
you leave a van, unmarked,
unattended, it is going to be
more subject to vandalism and
the vans themselves, because
they have to run constantly for
power, is they are a little bit
more demanding as far as
maintenance because they do have
to run consistently. So it's one
particular type of technology.
But again, it has its own pros
and cons. Rio Rancho has about
eight vans, but they're moving
to eight fixed devices
ecifally for this reason,
due to cost warning cameras,
they work the same as any other
fixed or mobile device. But
issue warnings instead of
citations. Warnings are sent by
mail to the registered owner the
same way as a citation. Warnings
can be customized, so some
people get to put certain
messages in there. You can do it
in English or Spanish or another
language of your choosing. You
really use in tandem with speed
signs and this is generally
considered a way to warn people
and make them more aware of the
fact that they may be speeding
as opposed to an immediate
intervention. And these are less
common because the equipment
doesn't pay for itself. So again
, the money, the first chunk of
money that comes about once a
month, depending on how you
choose to contract with the
company, the first chunk of
money comes to pay for the
system itself. If with warnings
you don't have that. So the cost
would be on the city itself. For
ticketing cameras. It issues
again, these are all civil
penalties. None of this is
considered criminal. It issues a
civil penalty. It's capped at
$100. And again, that's by
statute. It's one of the first
th you have. And they're bye
mail to the registered owner of
the vehicle. And these can be
fixed or mobile. How effective
are they? Granted, this is CDC
number, so we're talking big
nationwide federal numbers
reduction in average speed of
between 1 and 15% and 15% is
generally considered something
that statistics be relevant As
far as a change, if you're
conducting a study reduction of
injury crashes between 8 and 49,
reduction of fatal or serious
injury crashes between 11 and
44% from a US Department of
Transportation, Federal Highway
Administration fixed units can
reduce craes o urban
principal arterial roads up to
54% for all crashes and 47% for
fatal and injury crashes, as
mobile units can reduce crashes
on urban principal arterials up
to 20% for fatal and injury
crashes as so some statistics.
The numbers for 2023 are year to
date. So you can see we're at
2688 crash reports as of
September 6th, when this
PowerPoint was originally
created, traffic citations for
speeding about 2109. I can tell
you that over the years, through
Covid, you did see a dip in
these numbers the way that law
enforcement was asked to
interact with the public due to
concerns for being in close
proximity to people exposure
changed since times have changed
somewhat. We are starting to see
the numbers creep back up to
being on par with where we were
at before Covid, and that seems
to be a general trend with many
things, but in particular the
traffic section on. Again, on
the National side from the IHS,
29% of all fatal crashes were
speed related. So speed is
considered Asian. And this goes
it applies locally as well. The
state of New Mexico, 11% of all
crashes and 3% of fatal is were
speed related, where speed was
at least considered as a factor.
And in the city of Las Cruces,
3% of fatal crashes were speed
related. And that comes from our
track system, which also reports
to the state and UNM collects
that data and does a lot of
different research with it. So
the state statute itself, three
dash 1817 What the sta statute
does is grant the city or
municipalities the right to
define certain types of
nuisances. One of those
nuisances that you could choose
to define and has been done in
the past, for example, would be
the red light redflex We've done
that in the past and speed is
usually kind of in tandem with
that. As far as the verbiage in
the statute and our municipal
ordinances are concerned. But
again, according to state
statute, the citation shall not
exceed $100. That's a cap per
the statute. Each month unless
you dcide to choose a different
scalype cle with the
contracting company each month,
the cost of the system is
retained by the city. So of all
the money for that month that
comes out, the first chunk of
change is going to go back to
paying for the company and the
equipment itself. After that,
the net is going to half of that
is going to go to the state
treasurer and that's also in
state statute. The second half
is retained by the city for
traffic safety programs and the
other costs of the program. So
what might that mean? So
essentially the personnel
required to run it, we're
looking at potentially an
attorney, paralegal, a hearing
officer, and we'll go into more
detail about that here shortly.
But there are additional costs
and processes associated with
this outside of the system
itself. This must be audited
annually by the state and they
can choose to do so themselves
or hire a third party. And we
have to have a hearing officer
selected by the district court
judge over the civil section
because again, these are civil
penalties and people still have
a due process. They have the
right to appeal through a
hearing should they receive one
of these citations. So more
detail on that. What would this
program require? We're going to
update current ordinance and
follow legal steps for
implementation. And the one you
see listed here is the current
safe traffic operations program.
This is the one that that
reflects kind of our history
with Red. So a lot of that
verbiage that's already there is
it talks a lot more about red
lights than speeding so much.
The verbiage could relatively
easily be changed to be more
inclusive of that particular
type of crime. So is alady
there. It would just need to be
tweaked and we would have to
appoint a hearing officer or
officers and that kind of
depends on how many citations
you get and how many appeals you
get from those citations. So
generally, one, it could be more
depending on the amount of
citations. But again, that's for
people to have that due process,
right, to contain just the
citation staff for the program
depending on contracted work
with the vendor. So there's a
lot of things that the city can
choose to do itself or for a
slightly different amount per
ticket is usually the way it
goes. You can have that
contracted out, including the
officer for review. I know
there's one third party that
will they have a basically a
retired police officer out of
Louisiana who's still inlet
certified which what that means
is he still has access and ispcs
at an officer would so he can
verify those things and you can
farm that job out to him for a
little bit more per citation
than depending on how you choose
to pay for it as opposed to
creating a new position for an
officer. Fixed camera location
selection. I can tell you a lot
of people are concerned about
where these things go and what
they're watching. There's Big
Brother is a phrase that comes
up quite a bit and that's
understandable the way it would
be implemented here is strictly
out of date to focused. So the
Las Cruces Police Department for
many, many years has conducted
traffic studies. We conduct
about 6 to 8 per month. They're
all saved. They're all on
SharePoint. And for no other
reason other than we have a high
percentage of injury crashes at
this particular location. No
other reason other than we put a
traffic study out here and
confirmed what the residents are
telling me, that there's a lot
of speeders here for those
reasons, things would be
implemented at that location and
for nothing else. An LAPD
officer or third party for a
citation review. So they do you
can't just run the plate and
start sending out tickets. We
want to make sure that the data
that we're getting is actually
correct out of fairness to
people. So everything has to be
reviewed. The notary and a court
monitor, an attorney and legal
assistant, and then a physical
office for staff and hearings
and everything that would be
required. Computer, phone,
furniture, telephones, recording
software. So to give you an idea
of examples, at the end of the
day, this can be set up and in
most cases throughout the
country and the state is set up
to where it is completely self
funded. So there's really no
money up front, even on the
ancillary positions that we just
mentioned. Assuming you
structure the system the right
way, are actually covered by the
cost of citation and it's still
all within state statute. So
there's nothing going on other
than covering the cost of the
system and everything else would
go towards a municipal traffic
safety program like vision Zero
is what Albuquerque has, which
is dedicated to reducing fatal
crashes. So an example is one
mobile camera that's solar
powered with a flashing speed
sign to warn drivers is
approximately $30,000. Again,
there's nothing up front. The
same device without the speed
sign is about 22,000. There's
again, depending on how you
structure possibly be for zero
upfront cost. So turnkey full
service, $30 per citation. One
of the examples that was given
to me today from another city in
New Mexico is they pay $27 per
citation plus 5% for the online
portal. So because all of this
is obviously tech that's
automated and you essentially
have to pay for a cloud for the
storage, this particular company
offers, a two year warranty,
does not cover vandalism. So the
cost of vandalism would come out
of the city's coffers. Typically
these things are insured by the
city. Each camera can generate
1500 tickets per month, which,
according to the salesperson
said that's quite a bit. If
you've got 7500 a month, you're
you've got a different issue or
15GB of data without additional
costs. Another example would be
two trailers with signs, three
pole mounted cameras with signs
is about $139,000 approximately.
And that was a recent quote that
was given to a different city.
So pros and cons, pros, it's
public safety and it's 24 over
seven. So even if I put one of
my motor guys on a location for
an enforcement project, at some
point he has to go home and then
it would fall to someone who's
working at night. But that's
dependent on cl volume. This
camera is always at that place
and it's always doing its job
for as long as you choose to let
it. This does allow for law
enforcement to attend to other
calls for service. There's a
video and photo photo evidence
of violations. So when people
can test them, there's usually
not much that can be contested.
And these are unmanned. The
corner, like we talked about,
the Big Brother concerns is one
of the arguments that I've heard
to that is that there's cameras
everywhere in 2023. There's
cameras in this room. I've got
one on my vest. Everybody's got
a cara i their pocket, on
their phone cam. Cameras are
kind of a ubiquitous part of
life nowadays. There's a con
that it could be considered
profit raising mechanism. Now,
each state has its own laws and
some states don't adopt their
laws. The way New Mexico did.
And they have more issues with
that perception because where
the funding goes is not
necessarily where it would go in
the state of New Mexico. So I
feel like New Mexico is in a
pretty fair job of trying to
anticipate that and get ahead of
it. Equipment issues and
vandalism. Again, those costs
are going to be on the city and
delayed enforcement so that
getting pulled over and getting
a citation from an actual
officer has a pretty immediate
effect. Most people remember
that and adjust their behavior.
This is not that case. So
touching the hot stove, there's
no immediate burn. You may get
it a week or 2 or 4 later. For
now. So it depends on how you
set this up. If you have a
permanent or a fixed station,
people are going to figure out
where that's at and adjust their
behavior for the mobile ones can
kind of play with that a little
bit and you can move them
wherever you like. And it may be
a surprise to somebody. So some
additional considerations. They
work in very specific locations.
So I asked a few cops from
different agencies and said,
just be honest with me. How is
this working out for you? And
they said, it does work in
certain circumstances, in a very
specific location. So to give
you an example, if you have
intersection A and intersection
B and you have a racetrack with
speeders in between and in the
middle of that racetrack, you
have a crosswalk or a place
where people commonly go on foot
, on bike, whatever the case may
be. If you put a camera in that
locati an wilhave a
measurable reduction at that
particular location. But but the
analogy that was given to me is
people driving down the highway,
they see a state police officer
off in the distance and they
slow down until they pass them
and then they speed back up. So
it does have a very localized
effect, but it is a measurable,
localized effect. They do seem
to help on major arterial
roadways with some reduction.
And that's typically where
you're going to find these. So
neighborhoods that have an HOA
gated communities, things like
that, they can buy these
privately and keep them in their
neighborhoods. And some
neigorho.
This only cites the registered
owner who may not be the driver.
So if you're a teenager or you
borrow grandma's car and go out
and rack up a bunch of citations
as grandma who's footing the
bill, there are ways to mediate
that. There are forms that you
can do to contest and say, Hey,
this I loaned my car out. This
was not me. This is not
accurate. So there is a process
for that. But initially they're
the ones getting that citation
in the mail. What happens if
people don't pay So non-paid it
only affects their license
newa None of this is tied to
a Social Security number, so
it's not points against your
license, it's not going to
affect your credit score. But if
you get enough of these, it
could affect your ability to
renew your in New Mexico license
because, again, they're running
the license plate, which has
your registered owner
information attached to that. I
know other municipalities. I
believe it's Albuquerque has
gone to a boot program. There's
other options as far as payment
where you can do four hours of
community service, but then that
takes personnel and the ability
to track, okay, this guy only
has three out of the four. Are
they actually meeting it? So
there's just additional
logistics that come with it.
There are certain ways that you
can rewrite ordinances to make
this criminal after a certain
number. And I know that's
something that has been explored
in certain places, but there's
nothing definitive that I'm
aware of yet again, we talked
about the boot program option. I
was told that due to the
inspection of the Public Records
Act, this would all be subject
to that. And with the sheer
volume of citations that
generally come in, the people
who are responsible for taking
care of the Ipra requests are
not a fan because there's a lot
of paper requests. If you think
about it, even 1500 citations a
month that it depends on who
wants to contest and those types
of things. But it's all public
record. So I've heard that
anecdotally the Ipra request can
be a bit of a bear public
opinion. I can tell you that I'd
say 2 to 3 times a day. I talk
to someone on the phone or email
with them and I've had a lot of
people requesting this type of
thing. I had an email this
morning from a gentleman who was
at the town hall whe I kind of
gave him a heads up this this
was coming. And he said, Please
put some in hospital zones and
cross areas for school zones. I
can tell you school zones are
one of those things that I talk
about a lot with people on a
daily basis. It's just a huge
concern. One agency did moved
some of their cameras based on
complaints. So it's not
universally accepted. I was kind
of surprised that more people
didn't reach out to say that
they didn't like it, because I
know there's not always
consensus about it. But again,
anecdotally, from what I've the
people who've reached out to me,
they seeto be a fan generally
. This is run by a community
development division or
something similar with a
municipality. It's not
necessarily the police
department. So the image of
being associated with the police
department and it kind of
depends on how you choose to run
it. And that's it for what I
have for you. Any questions so
far? Thank you for that,
Lieutenant McBride. Before I
turn my to my colleagues for
questions, I'm going to just
kind of just share with them the
best that I can remember. And
at might help answer some of
the questions. So what you were
discussing was primarily
stationary, and I think what
what I was thinking, what I was
envisioning and it's not so much
now, but a few months back, I
would think the majority of the
council were getting emails
primarily in District five seem
like and they were just all
over. Okay so I'm I the reason
why I like the mobile van is
because they don't have to be
out. They can they can be
parked. And then when like for
example right now it's probably
been quiet. I haven't received
it's been over a month since
I've received an email about
someone's speeding bad. But no
sooner if we were to say no,
then here they come again and so
if we just have them parked and
just pull them up when we need
them, that's that's one thing.
The second thing is, believe it
or not, we actually had a nine
mile buffer. So on Lowman, it
was 35 mile speed limit, right?
It didn't go off until you hit
45So i you were doing 44, you
still didn't get a ticket. So if
you got a ticket, you were
speeding, you were doing ten
miles. And the reason why the
city did that is because
depending on if you buy a bigger
tire or a smaller tire on your
vehicle, it could change the
miles per per hour. So that was
why they put a nine. Of course,
that was a it was probably one
of the worst kept secrets. But
it was a nine mile an hour
buffer. So they were signages
all over and there was a rumble
strip. When you were going over
and you knew you were coming up
on on a camera. Now, can we do
that on a mobile van? I doubt
it. But like I said, I'm
envisioning that it would just
be placed and pulled out when
needed and not there all the
time. Just on those on those
traffic areas. But I mean, it's
Council wants to do more. That's
fine. But I was just thinking
for those few two streets that
that seemed like it was getting
a lot of attention, the money
would go back to public safety,
I mean, to the public safety, to
the road department for some
type of public safety. As far as
repaving a road or whatever it
needed to be. As mentioned, this
is a civil it's not criminal. So
I would think and I think UFO
was checking with the chief if
we could probably use police
service aids and not police
officers if we were to do a
mobile van because they're just
parked there and to prevent them
from stealing or vandalizing the
van on the difference that we
had over Albuquerque is that we
only paid based on what we
collected and Albuquerque paid
the whole amount. And they
sometimes actually owed more
than what the what was
collected. We never had that
problem because we only paid
based on what we collected. And
now can we find a contractor
like that? I don't know. But I
you know, I'd be a little
cautious of having to pay up
front. But if we can do it for a
little or no cost. All right.
Our hearing officer was a
retired magistrate, US
magistrate judge and attorney
John Darden, and we just needed
one. And so it was okay. We had
about 80% compliance. The 20%
that didn't want to comply, the
city would send him a little
letter saying, you know, this is
the city program, which you're
subject to possible non-renewal
of your city services and they
started paying, you know, city
services like water, like gas.
Well, hey, they owe no. Well
that's how the ordinance was. So
we and it actually brought down
a lot of speeders. So. All
right. Now, who had their light
on? OkayCounlor ren
Councilor, Flores Councilor.
Bencomo Thank you. I really
appreciate this presentation and
some of the things, the specific
concerns that I had in
particular sort of related to
what the mayor was speaking of,
only using data to decide where
these are going. That's really
important to me. I've come to
understand that people complain
about certain people's behaviors
in disproportional ways that are
deeply problematic and so I
appreciate that you all have,
you know, objective research
studies that can balance that
out. Um because I think folks
definitely see different people
different ways when they are
doing perceived bad acts. I've
certainly learned that as a city
councilor. Um, so I appreciate
you talking about how you would
use that information to guide
this. And also sort of your,
your pragmatism in terms of the
relative effects. Um, and it
sounds like you would have data
related to traffic studies, but
to the sort of additional
comments that you had, do you
feel like you have that would it
be overly intense to analyze all
the data, to figure out the
places like that? You mentioned
that where it's particularly
effective, like there's an
intersection or pedestrian
interface in a long stretch. Do
you feel like you have enough
data to identify those places?
Because if we were thinking like
3 or 4 or someone said three,
that sounds like, um, a starting
number, but it seems like we
would have to be really
strategic and think about how to
do that. Do you feel like that
data exists for you now? And or
would it be really labor
intensive to make sure that
these are station in the most
optimal places, not for profit
making, but for changing
behavior in a moment where it
could help people? Councilor the
answer to your question in the
short term is yes. I'm
relatively new to the traffic
section, so a lot of this I had
to do some digging just to find
out what's been done throughout
history. And that's what you're
getting at, is we would like a
long term, a longitudinal type
study to say this is the way
it's been for X number of years.
And due to this one
intervention, this is the impact
that it's had as far as
localized information. Yes,
we've we collect data. So the
y traffic studies are done is
generally it's by somebody's
complaint saying, I've got
speeders in my neighborhood.
That's one way. The rest is we
look at data for crashes and
that's tracked since 2018
through tracks which is reported
to the state. And it's a good
reporting system to look back
and you can search for whatever
topic, whichever way you would
like. Injury crashes, you can do
it by severity. Any particular
data point that you'd like to
look at can be searched and even
before 2018, the traffic section
has actually been very good at
keeping track of, especially
crashes, injury crashes, fatal
and that type of thing. And down
to a very specific location. So
the data exists to accurately
report. The other thing is we're
also we're not an island unto
ourselves. We're going to be
working with a lot of the city
personnel. So traffic
engineering, huge resource for
us. And there's a lot of other
resources out there that we have
access to. Thank you. I really
appreciate that because we serve
on the MPO where we hear
actually there's a dissonance
and a heavy lag in the data. And
so but I know that youll kp
up better statistics than
actually might exist in the
track system. So I'm glad that
you're, you're on that. So thank
you. Then my last sort of
question related to where where
the information goes and then
hearing the idea that we would
cut off city services, I just
want to make it clear that that
would never be an acceptable
path for me if we were thinking
talking about consequences. I'm
open to hearing a lot of other
things, but not that one.
Cutting off city services for
people, um, if they don't pay.
So that's just to put it out
there if that's even on the
table, I wld s we should
stop this discussion now. Um but
uh, the data that is collected,
how is it, where is it stored?
And who is it shared with? And,
and or is it used for other,
other operations outside of
traffic enforcement, outside of
traffic enforcement, within the
traffic section, the data that's
collected is generally used for
traffic enforcement. So it's a
question of where do we put our
officers if we want to work a
project, that's the data that we
go to is kept all of you should
haveccesto it on SharePoint,
on the city's website. So I want
to say maybe even as far back as
2015 or earlier, and it goes
back surprisingly far
considering that tracks is what
we use now. And it's a great
system that that's all reported
to the state. So we do have some
older data that essentially
we've been looking at the same
numbers for a long time. Tracks
is going to report to the state
and then again, UNM does a lot
of studies as more information
than you could ever want to know
about traffic. They do a lot of
studies on that. MPO is proving
has been a good resource for us
. So a of at data is there
just in whatever way, shape or
form that you'd like and it's
easily accessible. There's no
issues with transparency. I
guess I was asking about
individual people's data, so for
instance, would someone getting
a ticket in a certain area be
potential source of evidence in
a different domain of police
operations? For example? No. So
the way it works is the
information, because you're
right, you're running a license
plate that has people's personal
information attached to it. Yes
That's why even if you chose to
not use a policoffir to
review those citations, all of
those things are still they're
not going to be accessible to
just anybody who would like to
see them. Uh, even if you used a
third party, that's still
someone who is considered, even
though he may be retired, he
still is certified law
enforcement officer. And thats
what endless certification does
, is it says that not anyone has
access to these databases
because they contain such
sensitive information, personal
information, identifiers and
things of that nature. So, no,
it's all confidential. Thank
you. I appreciate that. Thanks
Councilor. Flores Thank you, Mr.
Mayor. And thank you, Lieutenant
McBride. Thank you for your
presentation. Um, well, I was a
victim. Um, I was a victim of
red light, and I was going to
fight it, and I fought it, and I
lost. And And it was Judge
Darden who was officiating. It
was here at City Hall on the
second floor. This was back in
2012 or 20 2013. And it doesn't
keep me from speeding. You know,
I speed I do. You know, and but
I've gotten a lot better. You
know, I go 40 and a 35 and 45
and a 40. Uh, you know, that's
probably safe enough. But I have
slowed down. But but it wasn't
because of that. It was because
of a presentation that was made
here by concerned residents who
are affected by the traffic on
Lowman and Amador, and that
there's stative Stickley.
There's been more deaths related
accident, car accident related
deaths on that street here in
the city. So it's information
like that, too, I think that
jars people jarred me um but but
the part that really bothers me
is that. That you don't know
who's driving the car. So the
owner is the one that gets
punished for, for, as you said,
maybe the grand child or, you
know, sister, brother, whatever.
You're in the car and they may
not even be aware that there was
a ticket that issued. I mean, if
you have a relative visiting
from another part of the country
or the world, how are you going
to bring them? You know, so you
have to pay the ticket. So
anyway, in losing that case, not
only did I pay the 100 bucks,
but it was $25 for a late
payment. And I think there was
another tag on thing and it was
like, dang, you know, you just
pay the darn thing. But but that
that part really bothers me. I
mean, you lend your car to
someone, a neighbor, a friend in
need, a relative, whatever. And
then it's your name that goes
into that system. Exactly. The
question that Councilor Corrine
hasbout about how much
information does Big Brother
have on you type of thing. And
it just that's problematic for
me. Just really problematic. Um,
and then the vandalism. Um, you
know, doesn't the vandalism
affect the accuracy? And one of
the arguments I brought up and
lost, of course, was the
calibration. How often does an
officer go out there to make
sure that it's recording the
speed correctly? And I'm sure I
know how busy you all are and
how how understaffed the police
department is at this time. I
mean, how can you and you're
checking your watch, Oops, I've
got to go. So I the accuracy is
a concern. If they're being
vandalized, used from time to
time. What's the cost involved
with that? And I think that we
could add, frankly, living
between Roadrunner Parkway and
Lowman, I think if we had more
officers go going up and down
the street, we'd be a very rich
city because there's no way I
mean, there's people just speed.
They must be going 60 or 70
sometimes on on a roadrunner
parkway. So so the accuracy, you
know, the calibrate on, you
know, how often are they
calibrate dated maintenance,
what kind of maintenance There's
vandalism and then you said
there's a possibility, a
possibility of no upfront cost.
But we didn't really get any
numbers as to what that cost
would be initially and then
continue going and what the
returns would be. So yeah, I, I
think. Yeah. And then it says
that it's run by the community
development Department. You, the
police department has a
community development
department. There was one slide,
it was slide 25. It was slide
25. That uh, the last dot there,
generally the last bullet
generally run by the community
development division of, of your
department or a police
department or the city. The
city, ma'am. Oh no, we don't
want them. No no, I'm just
kidding. Larry I. I'm kidding,
really. But I think it just
presents a lot of problems
because why would the city be
involved with, you know, that
aspect of police work? But my
biggest, biggest, biggest
problem is, is the maintenance
is the accuracy, the calibration
and then issuing a ticket to the
owner. I mean, that right there
is a violation of due process.
And I think that's why that's
why when a police officer issues
the speeding ticket, there's
more credibility there. Because
you see the person who's
driving, you get the information
from the person and it's fair.
But a camera that that's I don't
know. But thank you very much
for your presentation,
Lieutenant. Thank you, Mr. Mayor
. Before we go to Councilor,
Bencomo, so Councilor Flores, if
you were to lend your car out
ant
and it was their fault, wouldn't
you, as a registered owner also
be included if they were going
to sue the driver? Well, if you
were my carrier, you probably
wouldn't because you're my
friend. But seriously, seriously
, we. Yeah, I would think so.
If. If uh. Well, no, I wouldn't.
No, I don't. Do I don't do car
accidents. You would be, you
know, so. Okay, so you know that
for a fact that if you, if you,
if, if you but the, the issue
here. Mr. Mayor, is the driver
and the speeding. We're not
talking about that. We're not
talking about an accident where
maybe there was maybe the owner
would be at fault if that person
was intoxicated under age,
didn't know how to drive,
etcetera. But I certainly don't
think the owner should be held
liable. But you're saying that
they are. But that's why. Yes
absolutely. That's why it's
important for you to know who
you lend your car out to, not
just to anybody, because they
could cause an accident. And who
knows, it could save an
accident. Because if they are
consistely telling you I'm a
safe driver. Yvonne, let me let
me. Your car. And then it turns
out that they're not okay. But
the difference here, Your Honor,
or Mister Mayor, is, is that
when there's an accident, you
know who is driving you know who
was driving. But this camera
thing or this whatever, you
don't know who's driving. It's
just the car owner. So. So you.
Yeah, there'd be some liability,
but it'd be the insurance
carrier. That would be paying
for it. Anyway. Thank you. And
also the maintenance. I'm
looking at the ones that they
would actually provide it to us.
I don't know if there's a
company out there or if they
would if they would let us have
it and they would maintain it.
And until it's paid off, you
know, kind of like our previous
company. And then the
calibration, I believe, is done
weekly, that's not enough. Thank
you. Okay, Counselor Bencomo and
then Counselor Graham. Thank
you. I thought I was never going
to get a turn to speak. Thank
you, Lieutenant. I appreciate
the presentation. So just. I
have a couple of questions,
please. But first, I'll start by
saying that in the four years
I've been here, it's been
ingrne,
thanks to David Sedillo. He's
smiling over there. Education
and enforcement, engineering.
And so maybe this question might
be for you, but it might be for
city management or David as
well. I am curious around what
is the budget, for example, for
education piece of traffic
enforcement? Like what is that
look like as far as the funds
that would be coming in as a
result of the program? No Well,
we already have now, right. So
like if this is our frame for
the city, when a constituent
reaches out and says, look, this
is is happening in my
community, the three E's right
before we get to any big changes
in engineering, which is what I
believe ultimately changes
actual behavior, is the design
of a road. We have education and
then enforcement and then
engineering. I am curious around
like how much are we actually
putting behind education efforts
to, you know, help people
understand the dangers of
speeding? And I sound silly and
I laugh about that because it
is. But it's also true, right?
Like, what is that's obviously
our framework. And I am curious
now. Well, you're right. Theight
there's a lot of solutions, a
lot of pieces to tackling a
particular problem. There is no
one one size fits all solution
as far as specific numbers on
budget, I don't know off the top
of my head, but I can find out
for you. I know certain city
resources go to our line items
in the traffic section just like
any other, and that we also have
a traffic safety fund generally
that's going to be used for the
additional equipment specific to
traffic safety. So it's not
really spent on anything outside
of traffic enforcement. On the
police side, the issue with the
nds at come in as a result
of this is, is you can kind of
spend them on whatever you want.
So assuming you were to go with
these cameras, the additional
funds that come in after the
system has paid for itself and
after the state has had its cut,
it goes wherever you like. It
just has to be earmarked to
traffic safety. Right.
Interesting. Okay And then,
David, I have a couple more
questions for the lieutenant,
but I'm going to have a couple
for you as well regarding this
piece and then the engineering
piece, the design piece. So we
already have a couple of these
sort of mile its, right?
They're not necessarily
recording, but like the big eye
. And there's a couple on
Hoagland. I know there's already
I'm curious about the vandalism
on those. If you can talk a
little bit about like, does that
happen often? Well, it's funny,
you mentioned the one on
Hoagland because it was
vandalized recently. It was
spray painted. We had one of our
public service aides go out and
was able to just kind of scrub
it off. Vandalism does happen.
Anything that's accessible to
the ground. And even I did hear
some horror stories from other
agencies where certain ones have
been shot. It happened in, I
believe, Houston. So vandalism
is going to happen. It's just
kind of the cost of doing
business, especially when people
figure out what they are. They
can become a target. The
vandalism itself, the funding to
repair those does have to come
from the city because it's kind
of an incurred expense and
that's why they're typically
insured by the city. Right. Okay
Um, let me see. And then I think
on page 21, I can't remember. I
you just had a couple of
statistics that were talking
about like this between a and
40. And it just like I'm tryi
to,
what's the data that shows that
these types of measures actually
change behavior And maybe one
more before this it was like the
big CDC data that you showed. Oh
I was way off. Yeah So like,
like between A and 49, that's
like a huge sort of chunk of
data there. Right. Do you feel
like we have any of this locally
already? We yes. So that's why I
tried to couch this statement by
saying this is the CDC. This is
we're talking national numbers,
which is why you see a range of
1 to 15, 8 to 49. Interesting
But is it a statistically
relevant to what we're talking
about here in the city of Las
Cruces? So to answer your
question, do we have that
localized data? It's very
similar to your question. Yes,
we do. So And you can pull that
from, you know, sources like us
tracks and a lot of times I have
someone asked me today, can you
send me the results of the
traffic study that you did on
Cheyenne? I send it to them
right away. It's on SharePoint.
It's nothing that can't be
shared. So transparency is
there. To answer your question,
yes, we do have mh mo
localized numbers. So the issue
is, are we going to put these
things in appropriate places for
the right reasons? And yes, we
do have data to support that.
Okay. Okay. Interesting And then
I just have a whole bunch of
other questions around like on
the 3% that you I think that
might have been actually page 21
. Yeah The city of Las Cruces,
3% of fatal crashes were speed
related. And does that include
pedestrian fatalities? Yes This
is all fatal crashes. Okay So
this is going to be vehicular
ped cyclist or anybody on a bike
and then pedestrian as well.
Okay And then let's see. I can't
understand all my scribbles. So
this question next question is
for David. I am wondering,
David, if from like an
engineering perspective where
you feel like the data is
regarding what what is the best
sort of way to change speeding
behavior? Is it enforcement is I
mean, it's probably a little bit
of both. And that's why we have
all three E's, right. But I am
curious if youlsonow about
sort of the budget for the
education piece and then I know
there's a budget for the traffic
calming piece. Good afternoon,
Mayor. And Council. David
Sedillo Public Works Director
for the Record Councilor Bencomo
To answer your question, what we
would see as as a benefit to
address speeding is going to
follow those, those three E's,
It's going to be that
educational portion first. That
way the public is aware of the
rules, regulations again
followed that up with
enforcement and then lastly, we
take a look at what are those
design factors within the right
of way that help that. And let
me clarify for that. We have
existing right of way and then
we have new right of way. So
existing right of way that we
look at how can we modify that
space to help minimize,
encourage that activity. New
development. That's what we're
working towards to address from
the get go. Now, as far as the
budget for public works, you had
mentioned both the educational
portion of it and our traffic
calming. Those are actlly one.
Both are in one. So the budget
that we currently have right now
for fiscal year is $60,000.
Okay. Thank you so much, David.
Those are all my questions for
you. Thank you. I feel like I at
least have to marinate on this
because just off the bat, I
think honestly, I feel like we
need something in the short term
. I feel that frustrated, right.
With not with people who call in
to complain about speeders, but
with speeders in general. Right.
Like I on Hoagland and McClure
and Toshiro and legends West and
like all of these places, right%
That are it it's pretty
consistent how much I hear from
folks around speeding issues.
And so I feel just as frustrated
as them. And so I do feel like
we have to do something in the
short term. And what I like that
you just said that actually sort
of made me think, okay, well, I
think perhaps we should look at
one of these to move forward
with Which one? Yeah, I'm not
quite sure. But what you said
was once these, like the
original costs are sort of paid
off, we can use those funds for
anything related to this issue
that could go into education or
into traffic calming projects. I
do feel immediately like the
vans I feel like are maybe the
ones that I would support the
least. Given that you said
they'd have to be turned on the
entire time. Like idling and
they'd have to be staffed with
someone like that. Seems like
such a huge something huge to
take on that. I don't know if I
necessarily support it, but I do
feel like one of these options
could be possible, particularly
the mobile ones. So they could
be traveling from location to
location. But I think the
biggest piece that I'll say and
this is, you know, more for Ifo
and my colleagues is that to me
it's clear that we should be
increasing the budget to this.
The traffic calming program so
that we can invest in more or
more design and reengineering
type of measures. So thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Graham.
Thanks, Mayor. Thank you so
much, Lieutenant, for the
presentation and also for taking
the time to reach out to other
municipalities that are already
doing this. I think that that
information really resonates
with me, just kind of boots on
the ground and people who are
already working with it. You
very deftly and admirably
avoided the question that I'm
about to ask you at the start of
the presentation. So I apologize
because it's so what you so
desperately don't want somebody
to ask which is like, what do
you think? Is this going to work
? Can we jump to pros and cons
slide I'm sorry, I didn't note
slide numbers. Okay There we go.
Okay. And the potential con that
I'm not seeing and that my eyes
were really opened is how much
human power this actually takes.
The staffing. I wouldn't have
thought Theresa and Christine of
the Ipra requests that you're
going to have to field. And I
think thehinghat gives me
the most pause about this job is
that I sit up here and I'm like,
Oh, this is a great idea. And
then I happily float away into
whatever the next great idea is
and somebody else has to execute
whatever nightmare I've just put
upon them. I don't want to do
that. So So you did not list as
a con staffing concerns, but can
we talk a little bit about this?
What kind of a what kind of
burden would this put on our
existing staff? Just from your
perspective as an officer, Chief
, if you want to jump in also,
but really everyone who would be
affected by this, I mean, and
then the big question, does it
balance out? Are the potential
benefits going to be worth that?
And again, I'm sorry, because I
know this was the question that
you were like, don't ask me. I
also like that it's for it is a
nice balance. So I'm glad you
asked that question because it
does give me the opportunity to
kind of expand on that a little
bit. I did Rush through it for
the sake of time. However I'm
going to try and find the slide
where it talks abt t
personnel that's required. There
was an attorney legal
assistance, a hearing officer.
Here we go, Notary court
monitor, attorney, legal
assistant, physical office for
staff, potentially additional
administrative assistance and
kind of your choice of an Lcpd
officer to review citations or a
third party. So there's a couple
of ways you could go with it if
you wanted to implement this.
Now, the recommendation an and
this is actually a
recommendation that is carried
over since this presentation
about a year ago, and this is
after review from the city's
legal department, ishat these
are all new positions. So the
incurred cost on its face, yes,
it's going to increase
drastically. Now the caveat to
that is generally everybody has
a problem with speeding. So
whatever they put up, speeding
cameras, it's kind of like fish
in a barrel, like you were
talking about. There's no
shortage of citations. That
being said, and remember that
the money that's coming through
this system, half goes to pay
for this system itself. Then
excuse me, you have the cost of
the system itself. The first
halo
the state and everything else
comes back to the city. And
that's divided between
potentially these resource
resources that you see here. So
I asked again, you know, I told
people, just be frank with me.
Is this thing truly paying for
itself? The way people claim
that it is? They said, yes. It
kind of speaks to the
counselor's point. There's no
shortage of speeders and
whenever there's a fine attached
to that and people actually pay
it, there's no shortage of
funds. So the person w is
ying to give me a sales pitch
essentially said, you're not
ever going to have the problem
or she's not aware of anyone who
has had the problem of not being
able to fund these positions in
their entirety as a result of
the program. So if is it what we
most need to be devoting law
enforcement positions to, even
though that's a huge question
that maybe it's not even a
question, it's more of a comment
. I recognize a 100% acknowledge
that speeding is a problem. I'm
more honed in. Obviously on the
fatality and crash side of
things. And when we talk about
David, you and I have had some
great conversations lately about
behaviors and choices, ease of
drivers as oddball question, but
what's the recidivate rate on
speeding? If I get a ticket, is
it really going to is it going
to change me in the future? Or
how many people do you ticket
consists solely for speeding to
get you exact numbers? Again, I
would have to do the research,
but with the system that we have
that is probably an answerable
question I could probably find
out for you. Recidivism rates
for speeding. I think it depends
on the person. Will it truly
change behavior or is an
environmental solution an
intervention? You know, speed
humps? I know that's a common
one. We implemented someone.
McClure And eventually they were
removed as well as signage and
things like that. It just kind
of depends. We had a lot of
people pulling for them. We had
a lot of people pulling against
it. The tide will go, which way
it goes. It just kind of depends
as far as it goes back to the
statement that was made about
what how can we really solve the
problem? There is no one
solution. It's the three E's.
He's exactly right. Councilor is
right. It's going to take a
little bit more than just one
solution. It's got to be a
cohesive solution that comes at
the problem from a lot of
different angles. So will it
help? Most likely, again, it's
very localized. If you put it in
a certain place and you leave it
there and everyone knows they're
not likely to speed there, if
you move it around, it's going
to have less of a deterrent
effect long term because people
it takes them a while to figure
it out. So it's a very complex
solution that requires a lot of
different angles of attack.
Right All right. Well, thank you
so much. I'm just going to stew
on this for a while. Thank you,
Mayor. Thank you. Councilor
Abeyta and then Mayor Pro Tem.
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you so
much for the presentation. Most
of my questions actually were
just answered because it had to
do with staffing. But I do have
a few follow ups. One when half
of that money goes to the state
Treasury, what dedicated fund is
that been used for? So if you
refer to page, I believe it's
page. Three
Okay, I see it in section B, Yes
. Okay. So what happens to the
money that goes to the state?
65% shall be credited to the
court automation Fund, 20% to
the traffic safety education and
Enforcement Fund, and 15% to the
Judicial Education Fund. Okay.
Is that then money that stays
just at that state level or are
we able to access back any of
those things for education that
would be up to the state. Okay
And then hearing that these are
able to kind of and I'll say,
quote, pay for themselves in
some ways with the staffing, it
does look like, though, we wou
n,
though, at least for a while.
Perhaps a year at least. Perhaps
more so. So the way that works
is it because I wasn't
immediately sold on the on the
concept either. I said there has
to be a catch. Nothing's for
free. The way, the way it works
is you're signing a contract
with a company and there is no
upfront cost. Now on the back
end with personnel and things
like that to hire these people
on and have them in place prior
to the system going into effect,
possibly for the system itself.
But the actual cameras that is
part of the contractual
agreement that you would set up
potentially with the company. So
an example is. One contract that
was sent to me as an example is
$27 per citation. That's
automatically going to the
company. So that's the upfront
cost that was talked about. And
after that is when you have half
goes to the state, half comes
back to the city and part of
what comes back to the city is
what's then used to address what
they call a reason costs
directly related to
administering the program.
That's the ancillary personnel
that you're talking about, to
have those people in place ahead
of time, I'm sure they'd like to
be paid and the system is not
generating anything immediately
. Once it's in place and it's up
and running, it's working. But
again, one example of $27 per
citation, if that kind of gives
you an idea. Okay. Thank you for
that. And then in my opinion,
just for right now, of course,
more information and education
on my end is probably required
But looking at the mobile units
seems to be perhaps a better
option just I don't know. In my
opinion, being able to move some
things around seem to be because
there are so many locations, you
know, and if we have three the
fixed areas, it seems to me like
there there's going to be more
requests even once we have these
on that people are going to want
them in different spaces or
places. And if patterns of
behavior seem to change, being
able to move them with with that
sortf in mind, what systems
are most in place in the other
municipalities that you
researched? Is it the mobile
systems or was it the fixed
systems? Because it kind of
seems like the beating vans are
not as effective as people would
like. So most places are going
to use a combination. Again, our
data goes back far enough that
we can say this particular
intersection is a problem and
has been for years. So a lot of
places feel very confident
putting in a fixed location that
is hardwired into the city's
elet
there because it has been a
problem and will continue to be
until an intervention. Is there
. But when you also have the
option of mobile, like the mayor
was saying, you can park it or
you can put it wherever you like
based on additional new data or
citizen requests. And we verify
what the traffic study and say,
yes, this is a good spot for a
mobile system, then you have
that option. Okay So actually,
that's great to know that you're
not necessarily fixed to one
option or the other, but you can
merge. Correct. Okay And then
with that, did most
municipalities need to have a
certain number of cameras to be
able to recoup costs of
personnel? I am assuming if you
had one camera that might not
quite do it, but if you had at
least 3 to 5, you usually pay
for all the extra incidentals.
Again, anecdotally, most places
will start with 6 to 8 as the
there was one package. I think
try to give it as an example,
there was two trailers, three
pole mounted cameras with signs
in the upfront. Well, the cost
of that was 139,000 and that's
the package that they chose to
start with as a package. Okay
And the final question that I
have when if we did have the
mobile items, when we look at
that portion of money that we
can keep on our end, can you
store money to look at paying
for vandalism, like build up a
little buffer, or does it have
to come out of like general
fund? So generally everything is
on a monthly basis. So the costs
that are incurred are paid for
on a monthly basis after let's
say, for example, 27, the first
$27, and thethe states cut. So
so yes, you can again, the
spokesperson that I talked to
said you're not going to have a
shortage of funds. They don't
hear those complaints. So
whenever the city gets its
portion back and it says in
here, the municipalities
reasonable costs directly
related to administering the
program that is incorporated in
that. Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you.
Mayor Pro Tem. Thanks Mayor.
Thank you, Lieutenant, for your
work on this. I rlly
appreciate it. We've been
talking you're right about this
for some time. I think we need
to do something. Did you get the
sense that if we start at, say,
with this particular 1 or 6 to
eight cameras, that you have a
plan in terms of where where you
would locate them? Or is that
for a larger conversation with
other departments? It would be
nice to include other
departments. Sure. Again, we're
not an island unto ourselves. We
have a lot of data, but we don't
have all of it. And I would be
going to people like Mr.
Sedillo. I speak to Sue Julie
through email quite a bit.
There's a lot of subject matter
experts that are far more
qualified than I can interpret
data, but there are some people
who are very much experts in
their field and a comprehensive
solution, including everybody,
is probably the best way to go.
Yeah and that's what I'm hoping
that we're going to do. I and
once we do that, then we know
across the city where it's the
most applicable, right? Where we
should be putting them based on
the number. I mean, I think all
of us get those kinds of calls
with complaints like it's an
accident waiting to happen. Kids
are going to get hit and die and
we've unfortunately have had
some fatalities in in pretty
seems like hotspot sites around
the around the city. And so for
me, it's more of a comprehensive
it's not just one strategy. It's
going to be a number of
strategies. And I'm really
interested if is not here, it
Connie in making sure that we
have that that plan that we know
exactly what it's going to cost
, that not only the three E's,
but we they're strategically
we're going to place them. And I
would say that for me, more
education to the public is
probably warranted so that
people are aware that we're
doing this, why we're doing it
with data, and then. I that I
would like to know also, I think
all of us know of streets that
need a redesign, right? And I
also would like to know where
that might be in including Hawk
systems, because we've talked a
lot about that as well as a as a
way. And if I remember
correctly, we had that was it
about a year ago when we had the
individual on Zoom that spoke
about the number of strategies
and this one being one of them.
This is one of the things that's
going to really deter speeding
fatalities, those kinds of
things. So it's more of for me
to say, yes, I'm in support of
it. I'm really looking to you
all and staff and administration
to give us, you know, a really
comprehensive way of looking at
this with some costs associated,
because I believe, you know,
we're the budget people. We
should be able to know what that
is and then be able to put forth
the money. So we want I want to
say yes with the caveat that I
know what the cost is going to
look like and that we give you
every single tool so that you
can make it work. And I think
our citizenry deserves that.
They're really there's a lot of
outcry around around the city
about this. And but I don't want
it to be a place where, you
know, big Brother is looking and
we're giving information. And
I'm a little concerned about
stuff being on SharePoint. I I
think there needs to be some
tightening up on that. I don't
think that everybody should have
access to that, and that's just
my feedback. Thank you, Mayor.
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Just a
couple of things. If Council, we
can't really decide here. So
what what would propose is if
council the majority wants to
move forward, then and if we had
to just step out for a minute
and then what what happens next
is staff will then put together
a bid. They'll go out to bid and
then various companies will come
in and then we'll be able to see
what the actual costs are and
things of this nature, how
they'll be able to see exactly,
you know, hopefully align with
some of y'all's concerns. And if
it's and if at that point we
choose not to do it, then we
don't do it. But at least this
way here, we move forward and
let them, because right now it's
in. Tenet has done a fantastic
job in getting us as much
information as possible. But but
until a company sees that we're
actually going out for bid, then
they're going to then they'll
start releasing real numbers and
say, hey, this is okay, this is
what we can do it for. And this
is what we can do, you know?
Right now they're they're just
giving us generalities. But it
still it still has to be voted
on. And if you want it based on
what comes back and it's still
going to probably take a few
months before they develop a
type of a bid to go out. And but
I think staff has enough
information as to what you all
are looking for. Probably would
be something mobile, something
that we can just and you're
right though, once it starts
getting out into the into the
throughout the city, they're
going to want them in their
neighborhoods not the major
arterials like like you like to
speed on Councilor but in the
neighborhoods they want them
slow and they want they want to
be able and if we can pull them
out, just like we do with Eye in
the Sky, I mean, I bet you once
we started doing that and people
started finding out that we had
that, I think we had by four or
more. And they're probably still
all out, you know. So I think we
have 6 or 8 and I think they're
all being utilized. And so
again, I think if we move
forward, it's just to move
forward for staff to start
developing the bid, go out
there, see what's out there,
bring it back to us, see how
much it's going to cost, how
there's going to be different
companies are going to I hope
there's different companies.
Hopefully it's not just one as
to what they're going to propose
to give us. Yeah this Councilor.
Thank you, Mayor. I think that's
right. It's a little bit
difficult to try to figure out
what decision to make without,
you know, more solid numbers.
But I did just want to ask you,
Lieutenant, off the top of your
head, do you think you could
tell us about how many problem
intersections signs you would
think? Yes, for sure. A
stationary camera at that one,
20, 15, 50? Well, it's like the
mayor said. You can go as far as
you would like with that problem
. There's no shortage of people
who contact me on a daily basis
and say, I have a speeding
problem in my neighborhood. As
far as major intersections,
again, I think starting with
five is this example. 6 to 8
would be maybe a nice pilot
project out to see long term
longitudinal study. Is this is
this effective and is it
actually doing what we think is
going to do? I'm sure if you
asked for a certain number, I
could probably provide you. I
have no shortage of people who
contact me and say, please look
at my neighborhood. Please look
at this. A feeder street or a
major intersection. I personally
would love to see that sort of
estimate of like what you from
your professional data driven
experience, If there is an X
number of intersections that are
pretty problematic, that'd be
helpful. There's again, there's
no shortage of suggestions. It
kind of depends on where you
want to set the parameters. So,
you know, data is data and it
can be manipulated. So it
depends on how severe of a
problem are you wanting to look
at or are you saying that one
mile and over on the speed limit
is problematic? Again, that's a
fair point. Nine miles an over
is generally the standard, but
you can change that for a school
zone. Itoulde 4 or 5 miles
an over because it's a school
zone. We want to send the
message, this is not we don't
want you speeding, but we
definitely don't want you
speeding here. So it kind of
depends. That's helpful. Thank
you. I know the number one
intersection was Telshor and
Lowman. In fact, I think I can't
remember, but one of the videos
caught I mean, they would
occasionally show the accidents
to city council, but I think one
of them caught some a hit and
run driver and was able to track
it down that way. So, I mean, it
has a lot of good to it. So okay
, so move forward. So Connie and
Sonja were good. Okay. Okay,
great. Thank you, Lieutenant. We
appreciate it very much. Thank
you, sir. So next next item is
number two to connect Las Cruces
GIs and Data Services and
Courtney Granite. I don't think
I've had maybe. Do you work for
the city, Courtney, or are you?
Yes. Well I've been gone for a
little bit. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. I've been okay
. Whatever that was. Okay. In
and out. Look who's talking.
Miss Mia. So I'm sorry. I
actually do like her. I didn't
look like. Okay. Good afternoon
, everybody. Mayor, members of
Council City Administration. My
name is Courtney Granite, for
the record, and I am the manager
for Out of Community Development
at. I want to thank you for
inviting us to share information
today abouthe citi things
that are happening in GIs today.
We're going to be sharing
information about some topics.
The first thing we'll be talking
about is GIs. What is GIs
technology ology? The next thing
will be discuss a little bit
more about Connect Las Cruces
and what that is, and then
really focusing on some ideas
for what's next. So I work with
a high performing team of
individuals who who will briefly
demonstrate cabilities,
applications and share
collaborative use cases for
Intel, location, intelligence.
Here are the topics we're going
to go over today. Alan Wright,
who is a GIs analyst, will talk
about GIs technology. Trent
Bianchi, who is also a GIs
analyst in community
development, will talk about
economic connections and service
connections. Next we'll have
Heather Glaze talk about a
public safety connection and
also talk about some highlights
from what Connect Las Cruces is
k
about how we want to expand a
little bit on this Connect Las
Cruces initiative live. And then
I'm going to introduce a couple
of other success stories. So
I'll have Carol Bray come up and
talk about services. Cilicia
Village GIs talk about economic
success stories, chief story and
Chief Smith about public safety,
and then I'll follow up with how
we would like to see business
intelligence services expanded.
This is this presentation
probably will not flow like a
typical work session because
we're going to navigate through
the online, the online GIs
system. So we hope this
information is helpful and we
ask that you hold questions
until the end. So with that, I'm
going to go on into GIs and I'm
going to kick us off with a
video to get us started here.
And while this is playing, I'm
going to ask Alan Wright to come
up and he's going to share
information. When you look at
the world, what do you see? We
see patterns. Relations tips.
When you use location,
technology, you can see where
things happen before they happen
. But as relocation technology
AG, you can see what others
can't memory. We thank you can't
Courtney and good afternoon,
Mayor and also city council
members, executive staff my name
is Robert Wright, for the record
and I am a community development
department as a GIs analyst,
what we're going to discuss
briefly today, because I don't
want to bore people with
technical all mumbo jumbo, is
that GIs technology actually is
built upon the existing cities
infrastructure that it manages.
And there's a cooperation
between it and GIs to be able to
present the information that
you'll be seeing today. It is a
collaborative effort that
gathers resources from across
the entire enterprise of many
different enterprise systems,
not just at 1 or 2. It grabs
that information, assimilate it
and makes it a geographic
component. So with that, there's
a spatial element of location,
an with location, you can start
applying other information in
leveraging that location to be
able to present a better
collaborative story of what is
being presented to you today. It
is very similar to an enterprise
, a Microsoft office deployment
, it in that everybody has
access to it and everybody can
use it, whether it's a view to
or to collaborate it and build
the later in the presentation,
Courtney and also Heather Glaze
will be talking about the Kinect
Las Cruces program, which has
made big strides in this
direction. So with that, you can
actually, as I said, have that
opportunity to reach out and
engage with either the public or
members of the departments as
our program, the GIs program is
a decenter ized program
throughout four major
departments in the city, and it
allows us to then collaborate
and work together. It visually
see because as it is a
geographic location, it can
visually represent information
to lots of people. For lots of
different purposes. So one of
the things that we all utilize
is a base map and the base map
is actually a lot of information
that is fed to Esri. It is
viewed by by the entire world.
So if ybodis going to be
going into to the city of Las
Cruces area, they can actually
get to this information. And I'm
going to just zoom into city
Hall and as I said, it's a way
to convey, say, a lot of
information about the city of
Las Cruces in this case, we're
showing parking lots, trees,
buildings, various resources
that are available to us. And it
it paints a very good picture of
the city of Las Cruces. I'm
going to go back. To oh, great.
Where did it go? Yeah. I did
apologize. Yeah, I got it wrong
. I do. Yeah. There you go. This
one. Pardon me. Let's see. We're
going to have to do it again.
Technical difficulties. Oh
apologies. So let's saying the
base map, which is actually
underneath many of the maps that
we've produced for the public.
Can I can I have you talk into
the mic just a little bit? Thank
you. So the base map, which I
was on, on actually allows you
to overlay information directly
on top of that. And so the
information is then shared, can
be layered to represent what
people are very interested in
knowing about.
Okay.
Okay Apologies for that. And as
I was saying, what what you're
looking at today is not a
PowerPoint presentation. It is
actually some of the GIs
technology that's currently
being available. So we are
allowed to actually present this
hub page so that it engages with
not just you, not just just
members of the public, but the
entire organization could get to
this exact website. But it is
not really a web page. It is a
collaboration of a lot of
information from a lot of
different sources. And with that
n
over the presentation to Trent
Bianchi, who's going to be
talking to you about some of the
economic and service connections
that are made available.
Good afternoon, Mayor.
Councilors, city managers. My
name is Trent Bianchi. As Allen
said, I will be talking to you
all about economic connections,
ways that we can visual depict
through GIs as we have a lot of
folks coming into the city
trying to whether they want to
purchase or lease land to bring
business to the city, to bring
to boost our economy. We have a
map that's readily available
that folks can look at and see
what parcels are available for
rent or to buy what's already
taken. Things that are land
management folks can use at
their disposal to show these
folks what's available. I won't
go too far into detail with that
because Lisa is going to talk
about that a little more. Let's
e
. It'll be out soon. It's coming
soon to visit Las Cruces for
visit Las. Cruces People will be
able to type in a location and.
And they'll be able to see
what's near them. So I'll just
go ahead and put in 700 and. So
700 North Main Street. If we
look at 700 North Main Street,
we can see items that most
people want to talk about or
have been coming by talking
about recently. It would be
cannabis shops, thing, points of
interest, even parks and
recreation stuff within half a
mile. If half a mile doesn't cut
it for them and they want to see
further, they can adjust the
slider all the way out to five
miles, Five miles would be a
little excessive for our city,
but maybe a mile and a half
would be good for them. Next it
this is a mapping based app. So
this will show the business
register for cannabis in the
city and it's broken out by
year. So 2019 we had one 2023 we
have 28 new licenses. As you can
also look at it based on
district eight and down below
there's a attribute table. The
attribute table will let you
know if this is actually a
dispensary or is this like a
wholesale retailer for cannabis
. And now some service based GIs
that we can do for folks? What's
coming up soon? An election. So
what do folks want to know? They
want to find out election
information about their council
district. So, again, they can
type in an address. So say I
lived at 400 West Las, Las
Cruces Avenue, and I want to
know what's going on for me.
I'll be able to vote for Mayor,
district councilor and the
municipal judge in different
locations. It'll change based on
who's who's available for the
next election. Now that's great
for that part. Now let's find
polling stations so. So we'll
use the same address as. And the
same address. I look within a
within a mile. And what do you
know? City Hall is where I can
come and vote. But let's say
it's busy there and, you know,
I, I only have so much time for
lunch. So I'm going to go to one
of the other locations nearby me
and I have now now instantly
four more locations that I can
look at. These are both these
two apps are currently available
on the Las cruces.gov site under
election as so any citizen can
grab this. Check this out and
fid
out what they can vote for in
their district. Um and now my
final map will be a view of, of
what's available per district.
Just different kinds of sites
and an and shopping parks,
anything that's available per
district. Um to anyone who wants
to know if they're looking in
their area and they're like,
hey, I want tonow,ou know,
where's the police station or
the police station is right here
in District one. And we have a
variety of parks shopping,
Senior facilities and government
infrastructure. These are
different. Just quick, uh, items
that folks can search through
and they can pick and choose
what they want to see and filter
out what they don't want to see
within some of these maps. Thank
you all for your time. I will be
passing on the presentation to
Heather Glaze, who will talk to
you about public works. Thank
you, Trent. Good afternoon,
Mayor. Members of Council and
City administration, my name is
Heather Glaze and I am the GIs
analyst for the Public Works
Department. And where are we
here? Okay so right now I'd like
to show you another example of
an application we've put
together to just sort of further
demonstrate the capability that
we have with GIs. This one was
built using ArcGIS insights, and
it is coernewithavement
condition across the city. So
pulling this up, we see what is
probably a familiar map here in
the upper left hand corner, we
are looking at pavement
condition across the six Council
districts. The pavement
condition is also visualized
here on the right in seven
categories, ranging from
excellent to very poor. So these
columns show the sum total of
segments in each category. And
when you click on these columns,
you actually highlight these
particular segments within the
map. So these happen to be
excellent streets. These are
ry gd. So on and so forth.
So you can see there's a lot of
interactivity among the elements
in these applications below
we've included a couple of maps
just to show some quick analysis
that we can do. On the left, we
have some of roadway length by
district. On the right, we have
average PCI by district. In the
lower right hand corner. We've
included a couple of citywide
stats as well. So this is a very
quick look at this application.
But between this and what Trent
was able to just demonstrate for
us, I hope that you see that we
have a ton of capability
available to us with GIs. We
created all of these things, but
we can do so much more. We
really think this is just kind
of scratching the surface so
that brings me to my next point,
which is connect Las Cruces. So
we feel that the sky is the
limit with the technology that
we have access to. So and that's
why we decided to launch the
Connect Las Cruces initiative
spearheaded by Courtney, to take
these GIs tools and to put them
into the hands of staff as
widely as possible across the
city to modernize our approach
ts
practices. In short, we want to
share the wealth. So to do this,
we got started by putting
together a people focused plan
of action. The product of this
effort is what we call our
adoption management playbook,
and this was created using the
involvement of leadership and
staff throughout the city. This
is a group of folks we called
our Change network. So using
this broad participation, did a
couple of things for us that
were really important. Number
one, it got their participation
right. Staff from all over the
city had input on this plan, not
just a couple of departments
that have GIs, staff and
initiatives underway already.
And number two, it got us a lot
of buy in along the way in this
planning process. People were
able to see what was in it for
them, right? So people were
excited to see this plan get put
into place. And that's important
to get any initiative off the
ground. So with our plan in
place, we set about implementing
it and the key part of this
centered around training. So we
could have opted to just use
existing resources Esri makes
available to us kind of out of
the can generic training. So
th're ry good, but instead
we opted to develop our own
in-house trainings created and
delivered by our staff to our
staff, right? So this allowed
for a much more tailored
approach in our efforts. And we
even made it a point to
encourage our participants to
bring their own real life
scenarios and data with them
when they came to the trainings,
it wasn't required. But we did
find that when people brought
their own spreadsheets, they
were able to create GIs data
sets and maps and apps that were
useful to them right out of the
gate. So these folks were seen
the benefits immediately. So you
can see this is kind of the
timeline that we've followed.
And we got started with this
last March putting together the
plan took several weeks before
it was finalized and adopted in
June. We put together our
training plan and we actually
started training folks this
about a year ago. And to date,
we've offered about 20 trainings
as attended by 89 attendees. A
lot of those faces we saw in
multiple training sessions,
which was very exciting for us
to he repeat customers. And we
actually also in increased our
GIs user membership online, we
more than doubled it. So that
number today stands at about
524. And most of those new folks
came from departments that
didn't have a whole lot of GIs
activity previous to connect.
Las Cruces. So we consider
connect Las Cruces to be a big
success and not just because of
the numbers that I just touched
on with you. We also just see
re collaboration among staff.
We see data ownership in folks
who have learned to create
things for themselves and we see
more interest in the
self-service analytics and
overall, we just see a greater
empowerment in staff who have
learned to create maps and apps
and things on their own. And we
aren't the only ones who think
so. Connect Las Cruces was even
featured in the spring issue of
Arc User magazine. This is kind
of an industry standard
publication that highlights
noteworthy stories in the
greater GIs communitySo
450,000 subscribers were able to
read an interview with our own
Cortney Granite, who kind of
described our our journey with
Connect. So far. And I can't
forget to show the photos of the
staff that was included in the
article. So with that, I'm going
to turn it back over to Cortney,
who's going to talk about what's
next for us and I thank you for
your time. Thank you. Thank you.
Heather. As Heather mentioned,
our user base really has grown
ad
so we know they're thinking
about data and they want to use
data and what they can do with
it. So we are really pushing
them to do the best they can and
do the best work using GIs. So
what we're thinking ahead as
we're thinking ahead, we have
some goals that we'd like to see
come to fruition. We really want
to expand the momentum for this
grassroots effort and maybe put
a bit more focus on enterprise
data. You know, we talk a lot
about data earlier for more
traffic late and crime and
things like that. I think we
could help the organization out
by expanding our business
intelligence services and we
really want to gain support from
you all up there. Council And
city manager's office. So that's
how we feel. We feel like the
next step is taking it and
expanding data across the
organization, modernizing it
kind of the strategy behind that
is really to expand, keep
building the workforce, have
thed
innovate in in the GIs
environment. We want to develop
agents of change edge and they
can do that. They can take it as
far as they want to go or
advance their skill sets. They
all have ideas. We should be
kind of providing a culture that
allows them to do that. I think
some key questions that we can
ask have people ask or we can
ask you all is what can't you do
with data and what do you want
to do with data? Because that's
really answering those questions
is how we n use GIs going
forward. We also want to build
the transparency with within the
organization and build the trust
in our citizens with our
citizens have them trust the
government that we work for so
we can unlock data for sharing.
If that's an opportunity to do
so. In a safe way without
compromising personal
information and things like that
. We would like to see data come
together in more data sets, come
together in this system and
allow us to drive more outcomes
using enterprise data. So with
that, I want to introduce a
couple of people to share some
stories, success stories in our
GIs enterprise system. First
person I'm going to ask is Carol
Bray with Quality of Life. I'd
like her to come up and talk to
us about how they were
successful using. Data in around
Meals on Wheels. Okay, great.
Thank you, Courtney. Good
afternoon, Mayor. City Council.
City Staff Executive Team. My
name is Carol Bray. I'm director
of the Quality of Life
Department and very happy to
talk to you about a little
success story we had with our
senior programs and mapping of
our Meals on Wheels routes when
the quality of life department
and senior programs received a
grant last year to provide
medically tailored meals for
seniors that came from the meals
on Wheels America program, our
staff started looking for the
most efficient way to deliver
these meals. ese are very
important meals because it's a
first time program, and these
meals are intended to improve
the diet and nutrition of
seniors who struggle with some
really serious health issues
like diabetes, heart concerns,
renal failure, and even some who
are on liquid diets. So we
wanted to be sure we could
deliver those meals effectively
. Lee Kim Hansen, who used to be
our assistant management analyst
for senior programs, she's
currently working in planning
and implementing mission. But at
the time she was taking the GIs
training that Heather was
talking about and she used
senior programs data to show a
variety of ways that we could
use GIs mapping to visualize how
our seniors participate in our
programs. So senior program
staff saw how GIs mapping could
be used to view all the
participants receiving home
based services or attend our
senior centers coming to
congregate meals. So they
decided on a few critical
projects for GIs mapping,
including the medically tailored
Meals program. GIs staff created
a route map for us based on
location pointproved b
senior programs for the
Medically Tailored Meals Program
and senior program staff are
well able to plan these routes.
I want to mention that, but the
work has always had to be done
manually. Lee So GIs mapping
used customer addresses, current
road conditions and the time
limits of food delivery for the
drivers and then created the
most efficient routes the
nutrition staff can go back and
tweak these routes as needed, as
they have been doing as routes
change. But this type of mapping
can be replicated for all of our
Mes on Wheels routes, which
ultimately will save us time and
increase our efficiency and
effectiveness in serving our
senior clients. One of our
senior participants who sadly
has stage four chronic kidney
disease and relies on this on
these meals, these medically
tailored meals, told us that she
is very pleased to be receiving
the medically tailored meals.
And she said delivery is on time
and very friendly and caring.
The drivers take the time to
check on me and make me feel
really important to keep doing
what you are doing. And we plan
to do that knowing that we can
improve our service to our
community. Residents working
with the GIs team is very
exciting for us and now we're
looking at ways that we can
expand our use of GIs mapping
for other lines of business. Our
library is our museums, even our
public art program. We're
looking at a variety of ways.
Thanks so much. And next up, we
have Felicia from Economic
Development. Good afternoon,
Mayor. City council, city
management Felicia Villegas with
Economic Development. And I am
in the land management section,
which includes a grand total of
three, including our
administrator. So two staffers.
I'm here to kind of show you
what we've been working on. It's
a one of the functions of land
management is to be able to
track parcels that are owned by
the city. So it sounds easy, but
it's not. In the past we've
prior to this map, we've had to
rely on just updating lists, you
know, of file URLs. You can
visit our plat file system. It's
it takes a lot of space and a
lot of time. So although we've
had our GIs, we hav't h a
specific map that visually shows
just city owned property. So
this is what we've been working
on and it is an internal tool.
It it's really to help answer
your questions as we get asked a
lot of questions from city
management, from other
departments regarding our city
property. A few years ago, we
tried to transition to
SharePoint and we have so much
data that it's pretty much
bogged down in SharePoint. It's
hard to it's hard to search,
it's hard to pull up. So we're
looking at other alternatives.
And this is one of them. So so I
wanted to kind of demonstrate a
little bit for you what we are
doing. Alan spoke earlier about
their nice base map that they've
been working on and I want to
move to that because the pink
you see, it doesn't look like a
whollot. This is the city
properties and if you move over
to the nice base map that GIs
has been working on, you can see
a whole lot more. All those
little dots are parcels. Is city
owned property, mostly drainage
parks, you know, facilities,
things of that nature. If you
actually go into the table. You
can see there's close to 700
individual parcels owned by the
city. And we rely on a lot of
different data, specifically the
Dona Ana County records. They
are the official recorder for
that. So with this map, we're
able to bring in their data and
our data together to further
analyze this and so I've
filtered and I don't know if you
saw, but it highlighted or
outlined in yellow. So all the
yellow is what the county shows
as city owned property. Now, you
would think that they should be
the same, right? But we do find
discrepancies. I just just for
and there's a lag in in data. So
just just kind of going into
this parcel with industrial
park, you can see that this
parcel is outlined in yellow,
which shows that the city that
the county shows it as city
owned, but it's not in pink. So
the city layer doesn't show it
as owned. This is just one
example. It's because the city
just sold this parcel to Love's
travel stop. So the county
hasn't caught up to that yet. So
we're constantly being able to
track. That's not the only
discrepancies we find, but it's
a very nice tool to visualize
and find those discrepancies.
Another thing that we like about
our our city layer is that we
can edit it so that the county
layer, it's not our data. We
can't manipulate it. And if we
want to see a subdivision before
it happens, we can manipulate
our data and change it if we
need to, just to just for our
purposes as another request that
we get a lot of times are from
other departments such as public
works or parks parks, that
they're working on a project and
they need some land. And so say
they need a 15 to 20 acres for a
park. So we're able to filter
out some of this data to be able
to say, okay, in the city limits
, find me 15 to 20 acre vacant
parcels. So we're able to see
very easily see the blue parcels
show up as these are all the 15
to 20 acre vacant parcels within
the city. So it's a nice tool
that we can utilize. Um, the
other thing, the last, last but
not least, we are working on
that issue or challenge on data
management because we have so
much of it, as you can imagine,
in some of the city parcels. I
mean, we're looking at records
in the 1 early 1900s,
sometimes. So it's a lot of data
. Let me turn on there we go. So
we have I identified and connect
some of our documents to this.
And it's it is a work in
progress. But I just kind of
want to give you an idea of what
we're working on. Let me let me
take you back to the aerial so
you can kind of get a better
visual of the city. There. So if
we scroll in to one of these
parcels, we want to choose this
one and we click on that point.
There A pop up shows up and we
can scroll and it gives various
information on each layer. But
if I scroll to the city property
data kind of gives, you know,
the account number, some
reference documents, It shows
this ithe 're building. And
right here is a hyperlink, which
is the Laserfiche hyperlink.
We've been able to directly
connect to our Laserfiche
repository and it takes us
straight to our document library
of city owned property building.
We can in this document, I mean,
in this library, we're able to
have deeds. You know how we
acquired it, why we acquired it
different history pictures was.
You can click on one oh, it
didn't show our name. Well there
was a nice picture there, but
sorry, it's not working anyhow.
It's a work in progress and
we're excited to work on it
further and that's pretty much
all I have. Thank you. Thank
you, Alicia. And next, we have
Chief story. Who is going to
show us a little bit about his
map. Good afternoon, Mayor
Council Jeremy story, Interim
police chief. I could talk for a
long time about how ArcGIS has
helped us, so I'll try to direct
it to this specific map. But
there's a number of other types
of maps that they've helped us
with. This was a network that we
developed Karl Hirsch with our
Intel section along with the GIs
staff, worked together to
develop. And essentially what
this is, is a way for our patrol
officers and our other uniformed
officers to quickly visualize
where the hotspots, hotspots are
for crime so they can direct
their their discretionary time,
the time they're not on calls or
or lunch or doing other things
to spend time in the areas where
we have the most crime. So as I
talk through it, I can work with
the map at the bottom is a time
slider. So if I'm working day
shift, I can look specifically
at the time or the crimes th
aret
as opposed to the whole 24 hour
period or any other shift I can
make. Slide this for the whole
24 hour period. This is a 60
days of data. So every day,
every week we update for the
last 60 days. So it's not real
time, but we're working towards
real time. So it's updated
weekly. That looks scary when
you look at it like that. When
you zoom in, it separates a
little bit. So when I look at
this data, if I was talking to a
district I can see within my
district, my police district,
where are the areas that are
hott
usually you don't have to really
describe that much. If I click
on any of them, it's going to
bring up the incidents that
trigger that hotspot that were
grouped together. So in this
case, it's hard for me to see
right here me pull this over.
There are eight incidents. It'll
tell me the date time, the
actual address, the case number,
and then what? It was, I proved
it. So we don't pull every
incident in here. We try to pull
certain ones more of our serious
felonies or property crimes,
some violent crime, some
burglaries, vandalisms things
geral or the overall crimehhe
theme in that area. In this
case, looking in the 400 block
of Telshor, we have several
burglar alarms. But the good
thing about that is the officer
can see by going through this
that a burglary alarm problem
isn't necessarily a crime
problem. So they can go and
potentially screen that out,
which I'll show in a second as
it's obviously going to group
more together geographically.
This area is a 900 block of
walnut or around that area.
These incidents were triggered.
I have several alarms, but I
alsoave assaults. I have some
vandalisms and several things.
So I can look at and say that
looks like potentially a problem
. I can also look at if I have
five burglaries all on the same
day or within a 24 hour period,
usually that's kind of a spot
where there that street guy
there that's not necessarily a
hotspot that I need to continue
working because it was one
night. If we respond to it or
like it's too late, we're past
that. But that's vehicles are
burglary. And then three days
later there's another one. And
then two weeks later there's
another one. It tells me it's
more of a persistent hotspot
over time.he lt thing is
they can manipulate the data to
kind of look at to see what for
they're going to be places on
here that probably need to be
screened out. The police station
is going to show up as a hotspot
because a lot of people go to
report. And if that address is
used for the report, it's going
to look like a hotspot. Same
thing with both Walmarts and
areas like that. So I can screen
those areas out so it doesn't%
influence the data in a way I
don't want it to. If I have
expressions, I can look for a
specific incident. I can exclude
an incident, or I can look for a
specific crimes. There we go. So
by just one incident type and I
want to only include certain
incident types. I can go by this
that I can say I only want to
look at burglaries and let's say
motor vehicle thefts and. Then I
say, that is going to change my
graph a little bit. That's what
I want to specifically target.
And then I can find where the
areas are that are having issues
for those crimes. So there's a
lot that officers can do with
this. They're being encouraged
to use it en if they spend 30s
just pulling it up and they
collect the data at all, it's
still be a useful tool for there
is a useful tool for them. And I
think this is done probably mor%
in the last year to help us with
our overall crime reduction,
evidence based crime reduction
approach. Then probably anything
else. So thank you. Thank you,
Chief. And now we have Chief
Smith to talk about the Nat
program and how we are working
as a team to use this tool.
Thanks. Well, good afternoon,
Mayor. Members of City Council
Fire Chief Jason Smith, before I
start talking about the Nat team
and the work there, I just want
to say that Las Cruces Fire
Department, I feel like we've
welcomed us with open arms
because we see that the benefit
to our decision making it brings
to us. We can make better
decisions without having to just
rely on our instinct or looking
at a regular spreadsheet. Some
of the ways that that's helped
is definitely with planning our
response areas and our stations.
When we added Station seven as
well as Station eight, we had to
relook and examine what units we
send to your emergency. So that
really helped us to plan that
out so that we're sending the
closest station, the closest
units to those emergencies is
we've also used it in the past
for talking about our Geo Bond
and Fire Station nine. If you
recall, over a year ago, we
brought the timeline of the
growth within the city, and GIs
overlaid that with our response
times, which clearly showed the
need on North Sonoma Ranch. That
definitely hands down. We needed
that. That station built there
for our response area. And now
we're looking at how do we
expand it and pu this tool in
this information, this ability
to gather data into the hands of
our our personnel so our
inspectors are all getting
trained in how to use different
tools. And an app that GIs built
for them to help with our new
system abatement. So we're out
in the field actively capturing
a lot of this information on
properties within the city. So
between codes, community
Development and our fire
department staff, we've
identified multiple locations
within the city of places where
there's some type of nuisance
that we need to address, whether
it's weeds, graffiti, abandoned
homes, structure fires. We can
put this information in using
our smart phones and that
information is available for us
to share and to take action on.
So I don't want to zoom into any
one particular property, but you
can see the list not even the
list. The map here with the
different plots of the buildings
where there is some type of
issue where this goes into Now
the next level looking forward
is we can take this information
and these this GIs data and
these maps and we can share them
with our CAD, with our computer
aided dispatch at our dispatch
center as well as our
pre-planning software that we
have. And that information is
now available to our responders
in their hands while they're
responding in an engine or a
truck to this emergency so they
can see that a property has been
abandoned and that it hasn't
been addressed. And they know
what other difficulties they
might face in the field. So this
is turning the data and the work
that the team is doing into
actually actionable information
for our crews. So it's
definitely helping our decision
making process and we are very
happy for our collaboration with
GIs. Thank you, Chief. I'm not
quite that tall, so I'll have to
adjust this. So that kind of
brings us just to unpack what
was presented there. We showed a
little bit about data analysis
and how we want to transform
resources and make decisions
multiple ways of sharing data
and managing and integrating
different systems of data and
even documentation like the
Laserfiche. We also see how we
can utilize patterns and data to
respond and act. We also have a
team approach to how we're
sharing and managing data across
departments. The Nat workflow
solution that Chiefs Smith
talked a little bit about is
something that several different
departments are working with and
managing the data. So when we
treat data as a strategic ass
, we can do so much more. So we
have the ability to create
utilities and other solutions in
GIs to act on data more and
really we see this as a culture
in the organization that we act
upon and provide the strategy,
strategies and technologies for
analyze. Knowing this
information. So I just want to
share this real quick. This
graphic here, because I believe
that there's a lot more we can
do. Ihinkrimaly we're
probably mostly in this
performance reporting. We can
tell you what happened in the
past. We're not always doing the
doing so much. Prediction an and
looking at the future. And
that's really where I think the
organization needs to go. So I
have a couple more examples to
show you of just how we can do
some of that and then we'll wrap
it up and I'll allow you to ask
us questions as just a couple
more examples of how we can
integrate data from other
systems here. I'm going to show
you infill areas where we're
pulling the overlay from the
infill area and pulling our
Excel data in the permitting and
business registration software
where we extract this on a
regular basis and we bring it
into GIs so it can be visualized
here. And so as you again, this
is very interactive. This is
called insights. And you can
change the history, the year you
want to look at. It'll reflect
the changes on the map. You want
to look at an individual point
or multiple points. You can do
that and then look at the
information that's presented.
Have a couple more similar
example tools just to give you a
little bit of a teaser here of
what we can do. This is actually
a monthly, not just monthly.
It's a number of years worth of
data for residential and
commercial development
activities coming out of
community development. These are
only new alterations and
additions, but as you can see
there, all showing up on the map
here. If you want to click on
one, it changes the information
and it's very interactive. I
only want to see a certain year
and the data for residential or
commercial, it changes based on
the seltions that are made. We
also can see the project
valuations. So this is a lot of
data that we're publishing every
month. We create monthly reports
and they're distributed to staff
and various other parties of
interest. We also can show you
from this same thing the number
of certificate of occupancy by
year, the counts and permits
issued. So there's a lot of
information in here that gets
shared. And again, this is just
focusing on residential,
commercial and only new
alterations and additions Very
interactive. So data will change
as you make different
selections. Here's another
example of what's going on at
the Innovation Park. The
Innovation Industrial Park. And
you can change by year and it'll
show the permits that were
issued for that particular time.
Again clicking on each
individual item will kind of
isolate it on the map. And the
last one I'll show you is
related to the Nat, This is the
dashboard we currently we are
able to show withind of what
the what's going on with this
program. And so it's very
interactive Again, we have a
lot of information by Council.
You can select by council
district. It'll isolate those
those numbers by that, we also
have different levels of
severity. See the total number
of cases, What's an emergency,
see different ways of
classifying data and how we
would look at the data to take
additional action if need be.
And so that's kind of it for the
demonstration is just a lot of
ways to share data, a lot of
ways to present data. And so if
you have ideas, that's certainly
something, you know, the sky is
the limit. So again, I go back
to the questions like, what
can't you see and what do you
want to see? Because we have the
tools to do that. And so with
that, I'd like to conclude our
presentation and open it up to
discussion. If anybody would
like to ask questions or have
comments. We have staff who can
address anything you'd like to
talk about. Thank you so much
for your time. I know we went a
little long, but I think it was
very exciting stuff to share. So
I'm going to go with Councilor
Bencomo and Gandara. Thank you,
Mayor, and thank you everyone so
much for this presentation. I
think it's very exciting to see
all the data and how I know when
I make decisions up here, I like
to see data. I like to see what
is going on and being able to
take things down to different
types of levels, especially
district level, is super
important. When we're making
prioritization. And just briefly
, as we were looking at that, I
picked up on road numbers for
District two. I have the worst
quality of roads in the district
by quite a bit. As it turns out
. But it also looks like, okay,
so now that I know that, how do
I work on it? So I think this is
very, very helpful as we're
putting these pieces together.
Do you see an area right now
that needs to be added as far as
data like the next step? Because
you said it's very important for
us to look at the questions of
what's missing. I'm sorry for
any of. So this project is
really like there's so many
different levels in pieces. Is
there another area that you are
wanting to add a layer on now or
a different department that
you're thinking about? Or is
kind of like, What's next? Thank
you for the question. Councilor
Um, I think the, the, the of
weI think it's more important
that we're training up our staff
to be able to use GIs or other
ways of looking at data because
we have limited staff in GIs and
why we're more than happy to
help and that we want to do that
. We really want to share that
expertise with others in order
to help build that. So whether
it's a tool in GIs or even
there's other business
intelligence tools that the city
is able to utilize, I know that
we use office. There's power BI
in office, there's Tableau,
there'so the's her
business intelligence tools that
we can utilize to look at data
holistically. But I think most
importantly, it's the
educational piece. And we, we
have done most of the training
in the past, but we just don't
have the capacity to continue to
do that all the time. That's
great. Thank you. And I really
do like the way that it makes us
look at efficiency too. I think
that was very important to note
since we have put a lot of
pieces of data on there, is
there anything that we needed to
consider? Iuess the IT and
security of all this type of
mapping and I think with any
data that is going to be
published, we need to have a
policy for doing that publicly.
We don't want to obviously, we
want to review committee to
publish anything that needs to
go out to the public and not
just do that because of anything
that would be sensitive data,
but that's something we've been
talking about in our group
specifically about having a
process to kind of control the
release of the information. And
it is also controlled by some of
the rules and responsibility
within the system. But I think
formally we should work together
across the departments with our
information technology team as
well to make sure we're adhering
to policies that make sense for
the organization. Okay. Well
thank you very much, Mayor.
Those are all my questions. And
just really thank you to
everybody that's participated.
Thank you. Thank you, Councilor
Bencomo. Thank you so much. And
thank you so much. I don't know
if you could hear us all sort of
snickering about how excited we
all were about this presentation
and even just you said, you know
what, PowerPoint? I don't think
so. We're going to really show
you all the full sort of breadth
of our skill here. So that was
really, really great. I also
know, as you were sort of
showing us all the different
maps, I was thinking about, I'm
a believer in that the safest
communities are not necessarily
the communities with the most
enforcement, but the communities
with the most resources. And I
was sitting here nudging
Councilor. Corin Every time
there was a new map and I was
like, oh, yeah, I think that's
actually kind of accurate. The
safest communities are the ones
with the most resources and I
think you just see a an street
condition in and hotspots and
just all of these different
things. And I feel like that's
telling us a much wider story of
the entire city right not even
just departments. And so I think
maybe the next. Challenge for
you all is how do we even
continue to break down silos
amongst the city departments and
tell this bigger story about Las
Cruces and I feel like you're
sort of going in that direction
already. I did. I actually had
made myself a little note to
just give you huge props on the
Nat because they presented last
week at our Housing PRC at and I
was just really taken aback by
the level of detail that it has.
And I know they didn't click on
any particular houses on there,
but like it just shows you all
of these different details about
that house. There's three layers
of it. Is it just did we just
hear about this house or is this
house on like level three? And
it's really ready to be knocked
down? It's I know the Nat has
existedor aeally long time,
but it's really being taken. I
think you're giving it sort of
some new life to it. And through
GIs. And so I really just want
to thank you because that
presentation was really
incredible. And this is
something that I really care
about, is addressing abandoned
nuisance properties and all
across the city, not just in
district four. I wanted to ask
you about if you were thinking
if you had talked to economic
development, especially about
including the missus, the two
new missus that we just
established, the metropolitan
redevelopment areas. And I know
that whavet fuy began to
implement those. And so I don't
know what'll it'll look like,
but I think that's also a huge
opportunity for data point. Sure
Thank you for the question. Yes,
absolutely. We'll work with the
department if need be or make
sure we get the data into GIs as
it is approved and unfolds. So
yeah, I think absolutely that'd
be a really great economic
development tool. And you showed
us a little bit about the
infill, but I also feel like as
we're talking to, for example,
housing developers and where
they can build more affordable
housing multifamily housing,
I feel like these are just such
great tools that you have
created for us. So I really just
say all of that to say thank you
and how excited it is too, that
we have this kind of robust the
department. So thank you. Thank
you. Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you,
Mayor. Thank you so much,
Courtney and staff. This is
really I was sitting here
excited, just bubbly. Really
appreciate it. I do have some
questions from our presentation
last week at the Housing Policy
Review Committee on the Nat and
your presentation about
Councilor Bencomo you spoke of
like sort of how are we letting
the public know, right? What are
we going to publish and, and it,
I think it in important to
publish because we always hear,
well, coast doesn't do anything
. We make a call or two police
and they don't do anything and I
think this is really important
and often when I have district
meetings and people like Ipra,
you know, and they're like, Did
you know there was 154 calls?
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, right.
When you really put it in those
kinds of, you know, terms, it
feels like it could Codes is
doing a lot. And sort of I think
the public needs to be aware,
particularly on these nuisance
properties that people people
are understanding like before I
got here, there was a call on a
nuisance property that weren't
they were not aware that it ha
bt
to be demolished. Right. The
abandoned building. And once you
say that to them, they're like,
oh, okay, I understand. There's
this, there's actual you know,
there's an actual plan in place.
But I think about the number of
calls that everybody's getting
on this. I've received five
calls in the last two weeks, 2
to 3 weeks, about this
particular area. So I know
there's sort of that feeling
about, okay, how a we ing to
present this data? And I'm I'm
really advocating. To publish
this data in a way that's going
to be useful to the public and
particularly in those in the Nat
area. And I know there's some
conversations happening, but I
think we need to make sure we do
that. And then Courtney, I'm
thinking like the lift up and
the layers, right? That
particular one that you did on
the lift, I am thinking you did
the tree streets, the staff did,
yes. And I'm wondering and I'm
thinking so we used that
distressed indexing tool that
identified a number of factors
was related to the area like
area median income, um,
unemployment and employment
established those things. And
I'm wondering if that's
something that could be done as
a part of the lift up and then
scaling out. Talk about that.
Can I have an answer for you.
Mayor Councilors? I'm Trent
Bianchi. So for lift up, we did
actually do that. Um, okay. Any
any polygon or any, any, um, I
guess shape I can draw on a map.
We can use info, graphics and
infographics within our will
pull in all the data, whether it
be the, the tracks or the block
da. Um even access tomployment
internet. So so, so we can do
that and we actually, we
provided that to lift up for the
areas that were kind of
considering. So they could make
their decisions a little better
, more data driven. Perfect. So
how long did that take you with
all the other projects? Yeah
maybe a couple of weeks to pull
it all together and it's just
the three of you all with some
students or how many staff. We
have quite a few. If everyone
would like to stand up in the
Jazz Department, our works guys
. Okay you guys are phenomenal.
You do like ten staff about it.
Do you need more resources? What
sort of things would you. Yeah,
talk to me about that. What?
What is what is the need there?
I think particularly as we move
forward in more dartmts, I
think you said educating the
staff most important. But what
sort of if you had the pie in
the sky, what would you ask for
? Um, I think we're really
wanting to obviously have a
trainer to help train. We need
some more analysts to support
the organization as a whole. We
have, uh, four analysts right
throughout the department. No,
we have three. Heather Oh, I'm
sorry. Four utilities has one.
We have two in community
development. Heather represents
public works. But we also have
staff in Parks and Rec. And so I
don't, I'm, I'm thinking as we
forward focus a bit more on the
analytics, we would need to have
more analysts to support the
different departments. So I
don't really have a number for
that. I don't sure, but just
giving an idea that or going
back and assessing and then
bringing it back, we need to do
that because it's not just GIs
I think we need to approach how
we our data plan as well. Um,
because it's, it's beyond just
people who can do the geographic
analysis as well. So absolutely
and so with that, tell me what,
what does that mean? It's beyond
what you can what is it what
does that include? Well we have
our trained staff and GIs. We
don't really have data
scientists in this organization
. And so I think if you want to
do that, we need to have
conversation for eight years.
Yes So data scientists. Okay. We
have crime analysts and the
police department. But what
about other analysts that
specialize in their different
departments? And so that's the
culture we want to build. Yeah,
the communities of practice that
we would want to build is a
focus in the data sciences.
Okay. To do more with data to
support your questions, your
needs and really make better
decisions around data. Could we
have a data scientist for
Council? Well that's what I'm
advocating for. Data scientist
for Council. I think is an
important thing. Okay, this is
very. Thank you. I'm wondering
if you could go back and then
through share what your
assessment is in terms of
resource and tools to really
make it as robust. It kind of
that vision that you have to
forecast kind of next steps
would be helpful to me. Okay,
Great. Thank you. Thank you so
much, Mayor. Thank you.
Councilor Graham. Thank you,
Mayor. No questions. Just
compliment. It's if you're
goal, three bullet point or
overarching goal, bullet point
three of getting buy in from
council. I'm sold this. This was
rad. So and I just wanted to
thank you for I know a lot of
work went into not just what you
do but in presenting it so
concisely and so compellingly.
And to echo Mayor Pro Tems,
excellent points because you
know about getting you more
resources because now you've
showed how cool you are and the
floodgates are going to open of
requests. But I'm joking. But
I'm not because once you show
what you can do, I'm sure I I
have five ideas off the top of
my head. So just to make sure
that you're not inundated, I'm
also I'd like to echo that
commitment to getting you the
resources you need. So thank you
. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you.
Any other questions? So you may
have covered this, but do you
want to practice on one that
would really be helpful? So I
don't have to look it up because
I know the only time ago the
city you could had a way to find
out what a rticar piece of
property is owned. Do you know,
do that. We actually do have a
zoning map. Alan, would you like
to share? Yeah well, if you
could do 27, 95 Roadrunner
Parkway, I could see what it's
zoned and that helped me with my
little project here. Uh thing.
Well, you figure out how to get
into your in. Thank you, Mayor
and counselor. This is Alan,
right? I'm with Community
Development. I've done. I built
this map quite a while ago. It's
actually available for the
public so that a lot of the
public can actually answer some
of their questions before
contacting some of the zoning
staff. That way they can at
least see what it's zoned as and
then hopefully formulate some
questions that don't waste
staff's precious time. So I'm
ing go back to you. Now.
Again, this is the GIs
technology, which is a ArcGIS
online website which everything
up here is shared to the public.
There is the Las Cruces zoning
map. Okay.
And then we'll expand this so
you can see and there's the city
of Las Cruces. And what was the
address that you were looking
for? 2795 Roadrunner Parkway. So
all I have to do here is this is
something that there was
neighbors that were coming up a
couple meetings ago. So all I
have to do is type in part of
the address and then I've got an
option to be able to pick the
address that you're interested
in. It will highlight that
location and it will tell you
what it is. It can also. Save it
as an image, or I can actually
look at it. So I'm going to zoom
in to that particular location.
And then the application shows
that it is actually we R1 one a
zone. It actually goes through
and tells you some other
information about it, like when
it was last updated. This is
addresses. So I'm going to go
over to here and I'll pick the
zoning information. And now you
can see that it is single family
medium density dwelling. It
tells you the Council bill upon
which when it was created, the
ordinance number of when the
zone took place and about the
acreage of that particular zone
change. Okay. 157 acres of the
zone. So for example, if I if I
click out, um, if I click in
here again, it is of the entire
year area of what was zoned.
Okay. On that zoning ordinance.
So this, this whole area of the
high range was was zoned at that
time. Okay great. And it also
tells you when it was zoned,
which was 1979. I appreciate it
very much. I have a question on
Mayor. Thank you. Not about this
. Yes. Now, we can't this was
just a demonstration. It's not
on the agenda. Yeah, we can't
really discuss this. I was just.
I have a question. I'm not going
to discuss anything. I'm going
to open a can of worms.
Possibly. That's all we get
anyway around here. Everything
with this zone map, though, you
can also search by the ordinance
number. You can search by the
case number. You can search by
the zone classification and also
find by Council Bill. So if a
lot of this information is
readily available to the entire
public, so does that mean that
that particular parcel of land
is. INT Definitely single medium
density, right? It would be
zoned something else? Mr.
Nichols It, it, it is it has
approved as zone for, for
residential and it's based on
the zoning classification zones
that the city has adopted. Sure
Well. Mr. Mayor, why would it be
incorrect for me to ask a
question? Because you're the. I
wanted to know station. And then
when you're asking questions
about something that we're not
really supposed to, you know,
this was just meant to. I just
want to know the zone. Was that
was it? Well, I think that the
zoning is incorrect. And so my
point is to see whether the
areas are identified properly. I
mean, say, for example, someone
wants to come in and put up a
business Las So then they zero
in on say, in the innovative
industrial complex and then lo
and behold, they think, oh, this
is wonderful, I can set up yada
yada, and then they find out
that they can't, right? So so
that's why it's germane to this
particular color presentation.
The so you have to look at the
zoning thing that they I mean
the ordinance or whatever to
this, to this particular lot.
Good afternoon, Mayor City
Council, Larry Nichols Community
Development. For the record,
what are what we're
demonstrating today and what
they've shown is that this would
be the zoning that is
established by ordinance and is
the most current zoning
classification that we are aware
of. If there was a rezoning
request, then that would show up
differently. But for a one
single parcel that would be
called spot zoning. And we don't
support a spot zoning request.
Okay So this is definitely the
single family medium density and
it would be conforming with the
other developments in that area
. Yes. Great. Okay. Thank you.
That is correct. Okay So the
information is up to date. Thank
you very much. Okay. So I think
that kind of concludes the
questions from our presentation
, from your presentation. Yes.
And it's been very impressive.
So thank you. Thank you. All
right. So the last item for
point three, the Geo Bond
Quarterly update. Mr. Davis
Sedillo, the director of public
works, is going to do the
presentation on.
Good afternoon, Mayor and
Council. David Sedillo Public
Works Director for the Record,
myself and Natalie Green will be
presenting, uh, to you today the
updates for the 2018 2022 Go
Bonds. As part of the 2018 Go
Bonds. The animal Services
Center, the get acquainted area
began work this past week and is
estimated to be completed
towards the end of October. For
the puppy kennels that are still
needed at the center have been
shipped on September 12th. The
installation, if not happening
today, will will begin this week
at the facility. And lastly, the
cat condos will be delivered in
a few weeks here in about mid
October. Now mayor council but
most importantly to the public,
it's my pleasure to notify you
that the city specific Adrian
Guzman in our communications
office has been nominated for an
Emmy for his efforts and the
goals accomplished video series
for the 2018 Go Bonds that yay.
Now I did. I did ask previously
if I could call him out so we
can all give him a round of
applause. But he is actually in
the control roomso he can't
step out to support this
meeting. So if you could please
join me in giving him a big
round of applause for the
nomination. Yay. Now again, the
award is going to be presented
at the 46th annual Rocky
Mountain Emmys. And that, again,
is for the 2023 nominations.
Now, moving on to our 2022
Project update s, we had four
questions that were approved by
the public. They're all very,
very well of those. But I'll
touch a little bit on each.
That's the new fire station.
Number nine, the continuation of
the East Mesa public Recreation
complex. Affordable housing and
also Park improvements. So as
rt o station number nine, we
did approve the architectural
and engineering contract out for
the amount. Of $723,500, which
was reported as the estimated at
the last update. Since then, the
program and the schematic design
have been completed and we just
recently received the estimates
for those schematic designs. And
I'll go over those with you here
shortly. The construction, which
includes the base bid for the
nuer o, which are additionsd Lot
all boat spaces came in at 12.2
million. We also have bid lots
two and three bid. Lot two is
for carport with solar two to
supply to the facility that
estimate at this time is
$430,000 and the rooftop top
solar under bid. Lot three is
estimated at 440,000 and next
steps we will move into the
design development of the
project and we are estimating
that those bids will go out in
April of next year for here is a
rendering from the schematic
design of what the fire station
could look like. If you notice,
t's fairly similar to the
station number three. But again
, this is just a rendering of
what that could look like as we
move on. Next project for the
East Mesa Public Rec
continuation project, the
remaining scope as part of those
funds is we're moving forward
inallaons are continuing at
the site and we are also in the
process of procuring the play
equipment and also the shade
structures for the complex, the
musco lighting that is also in
the procurement phase. And once
those materials are received,
we'll work on the installation
at the site for those. And
lastly, we have awarded the
design contract for the
continuation work in that amount
of 2.75 million that was awarded
to Wilson and Company in the
amount of $280,000. Next we also
have the parking improvements as
part of this as I'd mentioned at
the last quarterly update
meeting, the first priority
project for Parks and Rec is La
Llorona Park. That will include
restrooms, amenity upgrades and
trail repairs. We have a
contract with the architectural
and engineering firm that is
under contract execution, and at
this point it's under their
review for approval. Once we get
that back, we will continue on
to the next phase, which is the
design development. Now priority
number two is listed there
because as as council asked at
the last quarterly update was
what happens if there's money
left over from the first
priority and again, those
priorities were set based on the
parks master plan. So if there
are any money left over from the
design and construction of
priority number one, those will
go towards exercise equipment
replacement at Tilbrook Park and
with that, at this time, I will
turn it over to Natalie Green to
go over question number three of
the Go Bonds. Thanks, Stephen.
Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor.
Members of Council Natalie Green
. For the record, Gabon question
number three was a question on
affordable housing development
and our affordable housing land
bank and trust fund an
anticipation of the go bond. The
city of Las Cruces contracted
with Project Moxie to develop a
housing investment strategy, a
that investment strategy In
addition to covering the funds
of the go bond, will also cover
our overall affordable housing
program and so I'll give a
couple of updates of where they
are in that process. They are
have completed phase one of that
project, so they've completed
their environmental scans,
They've done a review of all our
historical documents. So we have
an affordable housing plan. Our
consolidated plan, various
statewide plans all around
affordable housing. And they've
also done their data collections
and identified all the key
stakeholders for their Phase
two. Their key takeaways from
that session was that we were
well positioned to create the
investment strategy to leverage
the bonds and that with a strong
pipeline of projects, very
strong leadership and an
invested community, that we're
ready to address the next steps
in our housing crisis. Las And
their data did indicate that all
types of housing was needed
across the continuum as they're
in progress with Phase two,
which includes their community
engagement. I know that many of
you have met with the. They
were here last month for a site
visit. So they were able to
visit the community. Hope Brewer
, Desert Hope, some of our
current projects, like. Pedrina
Ferd's Peach Tree. They also
looked at some of the East
Lohman site for the future
planning Sloman and some items
in Metro Verde. They also
presented to both the Affordable
Housing Advisory Committee and
the Housing Policy Review Policy
Review Committee. They met with
th concted a couple of focus
groups and they also identified
some common elementary resources
there are highlights from that
part of the phase was that it's
important to have a
prioritization process for land
development because we have a
lot of competing needs and they
also felt it was important that
we identify an annual unit count
and establish some reoccurring
and stable funding for both
supportive services and
affordable housing development.
After the goal, bonds are
complete. Bless you. They're
also working on the analysis and
proposal draft. You will be
getting that seeing that draft
as part of a work session and it
also obviously come for you for
adoption and presentation. Some
of the key takeaways from what
they're hearing from the
stakeholders and various staff
members is that the there's a
desire to increase our
communication tools and our
messaging and to build on the
current momentum around housing.
And I'll get into that i a
future slide. They did mention
that our local action is going
to be very critical. We want to
ensure that we're using those
locational efficiencies to pick
an affordable housing
development sites. And then as
we roll out the mirror using
that, that as a. As a tool for
accessing other funding, the
qualified allocation plan
actually gives 9% tax credits,
bonuses in the scoring process
if they're in an area. One of
the things they want to look at
and or will be helping us look
at is how do we increase this
affordable housing by
negotiating set asides within
market rate developments so
private developers having those
incentives in our tool box to be
able to work with the private
developers as they're building
those developments to add
housing to their already
existing developments or their
new developments. Again, looking
at that priority ization tool.
And so they are working on
updating our underwriting
criteria and our developer
intake forms, having that
framework. To review sort of the
one off projects that we need to
look at. So reviewing special
needs housing for homelessness
and having an innovative fund so
we can look at some of those
more creative housing solutions
. And then as we anticipate the
historical funding levels at the
state, we should be leveraging
our project with their funding
sources. In terms of a housing
repeat, so I won't spend too
much time for those who have
already seen it. Our strategy
will revolve around preserving
our existing housing stock,
promoting and developing new
housing, and then also ensuring
that we're promoting housing
stability for those special
needs populations so they're
able to stay housed. And that
includes homelessness prevention
activities. So one of the things
that is going into the plan is
that we need to find where both
vision and partnership and
political will mt in the
middle. So we don't want to put
anything in the plan that
doesn't have a vision or doesn't
have a will. So everything in
the plan is going to be or needs
to be implemented, able to have
a good strategy in terms of a
housing toolbox. So some of the
things that they will be writing
into our plan and they'll talk
about this more in the coming
months is having both the
incentives, the development
regulations, the funding and the
partnership all work together.
And there's different ways to
have that robust housing toolbox
. The Affordable Housing
Committee has met three times,
so their current sort of project
is they're reviewing all our
existing policies and processes
. They're digesting the
Affordable Housing Act and our
affordable housing, general
oversight ordinance. There are
some existing state laws that we
have to follow any time we do
any affordable housing,
regardless of the funding
source. So there they're working
through those documents. They
are also acting as a steering
committee for the investment
strategy. So they'll be
providing feedback on that
process. Looking at the ideas
and concepts, working on project
messaging and then making
recommendations to you as a
council. In terms of our housing
pipeline in the meantime, staff
has been working on various
projects, so you'll see many of
these come forward or you've
already seen them come forward.
Just to give you a quick update
, three Sisters is in their
final plan review. They are
hoping to close on their full
financing package in October,
and then we'll start
construction shortly thereafter.
foclosing on all of ourh te
projects and staff is pretty
busy and overwhelm named two of
my staff are actually in the
compliance and underwriting
training in Baltimore law so
making sure their skill sets are
up to up to par with all these
loan closings. Our revolving
loan fund is rolling out. We
have the first ten houses
underwritten. And so those
mortgage instruments and
security instruments are being
drafted and it's very similar to
a bank. So we have to order
appraisals. We'll we'll we'll do
our own underwriting on top of
the agencies underwriting and
then we'll file those
instruments and those are
starting construction. I think
three of them are in permit
process now. Peachtree are
they're not anticipating they're
in a plan review right now, but
they will not be closing on
their financing until about
December. And then Patrina is
closing in November. And you'll
see those resolutions come
forward next month to process
our side of the financing. And
then we're also working on a
couple other projects in our
pipeline. What's upcoming? I'm
so glad that GEs presented. They
are helping us with our
affordable housing story map. So
you'll see a launch of both our
new new affordable housing. And
then we're also working with our
department to launch that fair
housing campaign in. You'll see
the investment strategy work
session and the adoption come
forward in the next two months.
And then you'll also see some
2004 tax credit round pre
commitments at the pasords. I
think we're going to hold off.
We wanted to go for the 2024
competitive application process
, but based on the missus, I
think we're waiting till the
2020 fifth. We are coming to you
with the Peachtree Phase two pre
commitment. Only because we need
to preserve our difficult to
develop bonus without getting
too complicated. It basically
buys us a lot of funding that
makes the project viable in that
a 4% tax credit. d th our
grants office is submitting our
HUD pro housing grant
application in October 2023, and
then we have a couple state
opportunities that I'm hoping
the next time I'm up here I get
to tell you about. But in terms
of the actual bond sale, we
anticipate those favorable rates
will occur in February 2024. So
we'll sell the bond around then.
That does allow us to reimburse
ourselves for any funding we've
already put out. But that also
aligns with our qualifying
grantee process. So every
October we open up our nofa for
both federal funds, city funds,
and then our affordable housing
programing and so you'll see all
of that come out in October for
as part of the bonds we do want
to ensure that we have the
readiness to proceed, analysis
done, and we can use it to cover
existing projects. Given the way
development works, where you
have a pre commitment, then you
package all your financing and
then you actually start
construction. We want to fund
some of the projects that are
more ready in the pipeline than
the further out ones. And then
we're also working to again
leverage that federal and state
momentum. So the state is
pushing out a lot of affordable
housing money. And so is the
federal government. So we want
to leverage off of those and
with that, David and I will
stand for discussion. Thanks.
Now, Councilor Karen, I thank
you for this presentation. Thank
you, Natalie. Thank you, David.
I noticed that the fire station
is 30% over or ish. What the
what it was bonded for. It seems
like the estimate for how much
's going to be. Is that
correct, Mayor? Councilor Karen?
That's what it appears to be at
this time. Again, those are
schematic estimates at this time
as we work through the final
design and based on what is
incorporated into the facility,
at that point, we can either
work on that number or look to
see what additional funding is
lacking to be able to build it
to that level of service and if
I could just also add that those
those proposals were done in
2018 before Covid. A so since
since then on these new changes
, you know, price of
construction has gone up
considerably. So I mean, I would
anticipating that being more
expensive as well. I thought I
thought the proposals were from
2021. It was like double what
the prior when it when we voted
on it, it was actually double
the prior one that was similar.
So the other fire station. But I
guess I just sort of wanted to
say I've seen the value
engineering process and how it
can be pretty harsh in terms of
functionality of spaces. And so
I would hope that wowever
that process goes throughout it,
that the functions and important
things that that the fire
department has identified really
are able to be maintained. So I
would ask that like the value
engineering process doesn't cut
to the bone of the fire station
and make sure that all those
things are maintained. So I hope
that there are other I'm
thinking about I think we have
public safety infrastructure
funding separately, but I'm
hoping that we can leverage
other things and not value
engineer it to non functional or
or not functional well enough
because then everyone will be
cursing us into the future,
which I'm sure you have
experienced. So thank you. I
just wanted to confirm that I
was understanding that correctly
and then also hope that we can
do not value engineer too much.
So thank you Councilor. Okay.
Anyone else. Well, that was easy
. Okay. Thanks I do have a quick
question. So when you put the
fire station there, you know,
I've often thought of I mean, to
help save costs, I mean, can can
is there certain fire stations
that that we've already built
out that we would have all the
plans to that would work? Or is
that something there that do
they always all have to be I
mean a little bit different
because if you think about it,
if we already have the plans for
it and everything, it's working
and we know what it looks like,
why not build it? I'm just
curious, Mayor. Yes. That is
exactly what happened in this
process. We did go back and
utilize the services of the
architect that were involved
with fire station number three,
and that did lp reduce some of
those costs. Good. Thanks. Still
no questions. All right. All
right. Thanks, David. Thank you
. Is that that conclude the
presentation? Yes, sir. That
does. All right. We'll entertain
a motion to adjourn, then move
to adjourn. So moved by Flores
motion made by Councilor Abeyta.
Second by Councilor Flores that
we adjourn. This is on a motion
to adjourn the meeting.
Councilor Abeyta. Yes, Councilor
Graham. Yes. Councilor Bencomo
Yes. Councilor Curren. Yes.
Councilor Flores Yes. Councilor
Gandara Yes. Mayor Yes. Thank
you. Okay. It's 4:07 p.m. We are
adjourned. Thank you.
For Okay. This is the agenda
setting meeting for our October
2nd, 2023 City Council meeting.
Number one non consent. Number
one non consent to non consent
to non consent. Three consent.
Three consent. Thank you. That's
it. Okay.